LWDT 8: Hitting the Marx

[Kubra]

Also ted is extreme right wing, but only in a very technical sense.i mean wanting to return to nature is reactionary, but not really in the sense that it is generally meant. We expect a little less, um, reaction, I suppose?
Y'all know what I mean primitivism was never meant to be thrown on a political spectrum so it gets weird

[Kubra]

hey Proudhon always stated he wanted a world where he'd be viciously attacked as a conservative
As for Marx, I'm not gonna excuse locker-room prejudice but y'know as far as we know his racist bits manifested mostly in personal insults against colleagues, rather than forming part of his overall political programme.

Kaczynski's views formed none of his program.

but I mean he did try to bomb technologists
It kinda did

[United Muscovite Nations]

Also ted is extreme right wing, but only in a very technical sense.i mean wanting to return to nature is reactionary, but not really in the sense that it is generally meant. We expect a little less, um, reaction, I suppose?
Y'all know what I mean primitivism was never meant to be thrown on a political spectrum so it gets weird

I suppose you could make that argument, but he wasn't some kind of precursor to the Alt Right.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Kaczynski's views formed none of his program.

but I mean he did try to bomb technologists
It kinda did

I meant his views on Leftism. His views on technology formed the whole of his programme.

[Kubra]

Also ted is extreme right wing, but only in a very technical sense.i mean wanting to return to nature is reactionary, but not really in the sense that it is generally meant. We expect a little less, um, reaction, I suppose?
Y'all know what I mean primitivism was never meant to be thrown on a political spectrum so it gets weird

I suppose you could make that argument, but he wasn't some kind of precursor to the Alt Right.

well that's what I mean, if it's only technically correct it ain't really right

[Soviet Tankistan]

He was a third positionist with a poorly constructed and self hating ideology.

tfw when even a self-proclaimed tankie thinks your ideology is poorly constructed

I'm not a "tankie".

He was a third positionist with a poorly constructed and self hating ideology.

Ah yes, the third positionists, famous for their hatred of hierarchy, the state, and coercion.

Which is what I said. He obviously hated progress and criticizes aspects of the American left and right. He didn't oppose everything from the traditional left and right, repeating talking points of early proto-left and right movements. His hatred of organization is borrowed from anarchists, which is representative of his ideas a whole- piecing miscellaneous theories that cannot work into a monstrosity. His greatest distaste was liberals and modern politics. No doubt reactionary, yet against progress that formed the modern right economically. His ideology did desire to stand in the way of itself.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://news.utexas.edu/2019/08/15/poli ... tudy-says/

officers’ proactivity declines when they perceive negative public scrutiny, even if they are deeply motivated to help people.

The study, “ ‘I Want to Serve but the Public Does Not Understand:’ Prosocial Motivation, Image Discrepancies, and Proactivity in Public Safety,” by McCombs Assistant Professor of Management Shefali V. Patil and R. David Lebel from the University of Pittsburgh, found that officers are less likely to proactively build relationships with community members and help solve their problems if they feel that the public does not understand the difficulties of their jobs.

The police officers and firefighters who said the public did not understand their jobs were significantly less likely to be rated as proactive by their supervisors, even if their reason for doing their jobs is to help others.

“When proactive officers see something that’s happening in a local neighborhood, they get out of the patrol car and go to help somebody even though they don’t need to and nobody’s actually watching them,” Patil said. “But being less proactive would mean taking a less active role while on a shift and basically only doing what your boss tells you.”

Patil said that figuring out how to improve public perception is key to healing this rift. Officers who feel that the public respects and appreciates the difficulties and dangers of their profession are much more motivated to interact in positive ways with the people they serve.

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Highlights

• Prior research suggests prosocial motivation is positively related to proactivity.

• We argue this relationship can be altered in public safety occupations.

• The relationship is weakened when employees perceive a lack of public understanding.

• This interaction indirectly affects proactivity via lower physical engagement.

• We draw attention to importance of accounting for employees’ perceived public image.

So, yeah.

[Pasong Tirad]

Poor cops less likely to shoot another black kid after the video of them shooting that last black kid goes viral? Well I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked to my core.

I don't quite understand why firefighters are included. Never known anybody to hate firefighters. They don't wield a state-mandated monopoly on violence.

[Kowani]

Poor cops less likely to shoot another black kid after the video of them shooting that last black kid goes viral? Well I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked to my core.

I don't quite understand why firefighters are included. Never known anybody to hate firefighters. They don't wield a state-mandated monopoly on violence.

Firefighters are cops but better, let’s be honest.

[Abraadhru]

Latching onto the conversation on Ted Kaczynski and the claims by some people that he was somehow an anarchist; I beg to differ. Nowhere in his manifesto does he explicitly state that he wishes to rid the post-civilised world of authorative hierarchies, neither does he talk, in favour, of any other anarchist narratives.

[Pasong Tirad]

Poor cops less likely to shoot another black kid after the video of them shooting that last black kid goes viral? Well I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked to my core.

I don't quite understand why firefighters are included. Never known anybody to hate firefighters. They don't wield a state-mandated monopoly on violence.

Firefighters are cops but better, let’s be honest.

If by "cops but better" you mean they actually safeguard people but don't wield a monopoly on beating the shit out of non-white folks then yeah I suppose so.

[Ostroeuropa]

Poor cops less likely to shoot another black kid after the video of them shooting that last black kid goes viral? Well I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked to my core.

I don't quite understand why firefighters are included. Never known anybody to hate firefighters. They don't wield a state-mandated monopoly on violence.

That's literally the opposite of what it says dude.

When videos of cops shooting black kids go viral, the cops get burned out and avoid interacting with communities except when they are forced to because a crime is occurring and thus avoid community based law enforcement. The more cops are perceived as an enemy, the less they interact.

[Benuty]

Poor cops less likely to shoot another black kid after the video of them shooting that last black kid goes viral? Well I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked to my core.

I don't quite understand why firefighters are included. Never known anybody to hate firefighters. They don't wield a state-mandated monopoly on violence.

That's literally the opposite of what it says dude.

When videos of cops shooting black kids go viral, the cops get burned out and avoid interacting with communities except when they are forced to because a crime is occurring and thus avoid community based law enforcement. The more cops are perceived as an enemy, the less they interact.

Yeah I remember reading some articles after the the Baltimore riots where the city police essentially decided to collectively avoid problem areas. As a result crime went up, and well...no cops, and less people overall (I.e they were getting murdered). An incredibly dark solution at the expense of avoiding more riots.

[Benuty]

I mean it isn’t the first time cities employed the “they manage their population because they will kill each other” tactic. It’s a dark tactic, but it worked to the point a police presence in those areas became desirable in a sense of “anything is better than this” type of way.

[Grenartia]

That’s like 20 pages of BS.

It's not any more BS than your fully automated dreams.

Which, in turn, are no more BS than your fantasies about being enslaved to the Free Market Fairy.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

So the Queen has won the poll hands-down

[Dumb Ideologies]

So the Queen has won the poll hands-down

Has there ever been a better argument against democracy?

[Kowani]

So the Queen has won the poll hands-down

Has there ever been a better argument against democracy?

Brexit.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Has there ever been a better argument against democracy?

Brexit.

A very good case against both parliamentary democracy and direct democracy. 2 for 1, not sure I can top that.

[Kowani]

Brexit.

A very good case against both parliamentary democracy and direct democracy. 2 for 1, not sure I can top that.

I don’t always make good points, but when I do, they are well made.

[Trotskylvania]

What points exactly? Because he was one of the most far-right, reactionary lunatics to ever grace this world.

He wasn't far right at all, he was an Anarchist.

Read his manifesto, posted above.

He's a deeply alienated person who searched for a grand, unifying force to justify his alienation. He fundamentally misidentified the cause of human alienation. Industrial technology is a tool like any other. It's the social division of labor and the circuit of capital that drives social atomization, not the new technologies.

A pre-industrial world is a world mired in scarcity, privation and grueling labor for the masses. Kacynski isn't ignorant of this, he's just malicious enough to not care. To his credit, he is more honest about the misogyny, racism, and homophobia inherent in primitivism

[Grenartia]

He wasn't far right at all, he was an Anarchist.

Read his manifesto, posted above.

He's a deeply alienated person who searched for a grand, unifying force to justify his alienation. He fundamentally misidentified the cause of human alienation. Industrial technology is a tool like any other. It's the social division of labor and the circuit of capital that drives social atomization, not the new technologies.

A pre-industrial world is a world mired in scarcity, privation and grueling labor for the masses. Kacynski isn't ignorant of this, he's just malicious enough to not care. To his credit, he is more honest about the misogyny, racism, and homophobia inherent in primitivism

I broadly agree.

[Liriena]

You know, I'd probably be more sympathetic towards argie right-wing libertarians if they weren't so consistently arrogant and patronizing. Their hearts are in the right place (fight the system, liberty, etc.), but they have a boomer's half-baked understanding of national and world history and think that makes them the experts.

Still, I vastly prefer them and their presidential candidate to whatever the heck the authoritarian christian conservatives of Gómez Centurión are.

[New Hennig]

You know, I'd probably be more sympathetic towards argie right-wing libertarians if they weren't so consistently arrogant and patronizing. Their hearts are in the right place (fight the system, liberty, etc.), but they have a boomer's half-baked understanding of national and world history and think that makes them the experts.

Still, I vastly prefer them and their presidential candidate to whatever the heck the authoritarian christian conservatives of Gómez Centurión are.

Eh, what could I say, I love Capitalism and free markets.

[Liriena]

So the Queen has won the poll hands-down

Has there ever been a better argument against democracy?

You cannot escape the lobster queen.