We're at the stage where someone is implying we're racists or we're paternalistic because we recognize that being a mouthpiece for the very people who hurt the group you're a part of is bad.
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by Duvniask » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:56 pm
by The East Marches II » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:57 pm
Liriena wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
Best news I've heard all week
You can no longer criticize the free marketeers or you are a bigot. Brown people don't have agency and the indigenous are the most persecuted of all :^)
Edit: I have been informed reality beat me to it.
If you oppose debt collection you hate WoC :^)))))
Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.
"Debt collection industry"
And they say landlords are parasites.
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:58 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Duvniask wrote:In the sense that Uncle Toms are bad, to be sure.
When I posted that, I didn't expect someone who thought that to actually show up.Liriena wrote:More like she's built her career on giving the "I have a black friend" seal of approval to TPUSA types.
Oh and Hitler apologia.
by Proctopeo » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:00 pm
Duvniask wrote:Liriena wrote:More like she's built her career on giving the "I have a black friend" seal of approval to TPUSA types.
Oh and Hitler apologia.
We're at the stage where someone is implying we're racists or we're paternalistic because we recognize that being a mouthpiece for the very people who hurt the group you're a part of is bad.
by Cekoviu » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:01 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Duvniask wrote:We're at the stage where someone is implying we're racists or we're paternalistic because we recognize that being a mouthpiece for the very people who hurt the group you're a part of is bad.
Paternalism... I think that's precisely the word I was looking for to apply here.
"how dare a BLACK WOMAN believe things that I don't want her to! "
by Liriena » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:02 pm
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by The East Marches II » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:03 pm
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
Best news I've heard all week
You can no longer criticize the free marketeers or you are a bigot. Brown people don't have agency and the indigenous are the most persecuted of all :^)
Edit: I have been informed reality beat me to it.
If you oppose debt collection you hate WoC :^)))))
Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.
I’m sure some of that made sense to you, which is what should give you some solace.
by Liriena » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:04 pm
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by The New California Republic » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:06 pm
by Liriena » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:06 pm
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by Proctopeo » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:07 pm
Liriena wrote:Proctopeo wrote:
A while back, she talked herself into a corner trying to distinguish her nationalism from nationalist regimes like the Third Reich. In an attempt to just avoid that opportunity for critical thought altogether, she tried to argue that Hitler was actually a globalist because he tried to expand beyond the confines of Germany. And because she just couldn't stop herself from digging herself deeper, she then said something along the lines of "if Hitler had just stuck to doing his thing in Germany, that would have been fine".
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 pm
by Duvniask » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:14 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Duvniask wrote:We're at the stage where someone is implying we're racists or we're paternalistic because we recognize that being a mouthpiece for the very people who hurt the group you're a part of is bad.
Paternalism... I think that's precisely the word I was looking for to apply here.
"how dare a BLACK WOMAN believe things that I don't want her to! "
by Proctopeo » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:27 pm
Duvniask wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Paternalism... I think that's precisely the word I was looking for to apply here.
"how dare a BLACK WOMAN believe things that I don't want her to! "
Let's face it, you're just as guilty of thinking "certain demographics" shouldn't think in certain ways, unless you're some kind of weirdo with no moral sense who sees nothing wrong with being a Jewish Kapo.
by Duvniask » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:45 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Duvniask wrote:Let's face it, you're just as guilty of thinking "certain demographics" shouldn't think in certain ways, unless you're some kind of weirdo with no moral sense who sees nothing wrong with being a Jewish Kapo.
A "no you"? I thought that you would be better than that.
I also don't see how a black woman aligned with rather milquetoast conservatives compares to a concentration camp prisoner who's collaborating.
by Duvniask » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:21 pm
by Rojava Free State » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:35 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:36 pm
Duvniask wrote:Before I go to bed I'll end with a simple yes-no question.
Is there something reprehensible about a Jewish concentration camp prisoner who chooses to help supervise the forced labor of his fellow Jews in return for securing privileges for himself? In short, is there something reprehensible about being a Kapo?
If your answer to this question is yes, then you cannot commit yourself to that holier-than-thou attitude, Proctopeo, because I could just as easily get up in your face about how you're just angry that a certain demographic group dares to think differently from the way you want them to. You see how that logic takes a rather grotesque appearance here? It would be hypocrisy to suggest that this applies in one case, but not the other, because you're not critique something that is situation-specific, you're critiquing the general notion that I'm suggesting people shouldn't work against their own group interests (when said group is already suffering from oppression, destitution and other injustices). The issue isn't just that Candace Owens believes in something I disagree with, it's that she promotes views which are directly damaging to people who are just like her; she should know better and she should be better.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Fahran » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:24 pm
Duvniask wrote:Going for cheap scores, I see. It's not reductionist, but that's besides the point. You should recognize that the meaning of words don't depend on the whims of every jackass who uses them.
by Fahran » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:27 pm
by Fahran » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:29 pm
Cekoviu wrote:do you think we would be more ok with her beliefs if she was white
Duvniask wrote:Before I go to bed I'll end with a simple yes-no question.
Is there something reprehensible about a Jewish concentration camp prisoner who chooses to help supervise the forced labor of his fellow Jews in return for securing privileges for himself? In short, is there something reprehensible about being a Kapo?
by Duvniask » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:00 am
Fahran wrote:The closer equivalent is a Christian or atheist calling an Anti-Zionist Jewish person a "self-hating Jew." You might have a point if we were talking about someone who literally argued that black people should be reenslaved and participated in making policies to that effect, but, yeah, what you're saying comes off as patronizing and slightly racist.
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