Is America becoming a Fascist nation?

[Neko-koku]

Terms..terms..

Who are "liberals"?

Who are "the left wing"?

I always hate it when most people talk about generic terms such as these. What do they even mean at all?

Leftism isn’t generic, though. It has a certain set of conditions that have to be met for any of the specific strains of leftist thought to be considered left wing.

Liberal is by necessity relative to society and one’s individual culture.

It is generic. What's even worse is that it can be used to mean at least 5 movements that have nothing to do with each other. Same for "rightism". That's why I hate them.

At least I almost always use "soc left", "soc right", "econ left", "econ right" etc.

How can you classify me? I'm pretty much a moderate soc leftist or centrist on non-racial issues by Western standards, staunchly capitalist, staunchly anti-authoritarian and an HBDer.

[Kowani]

Leftism isn’t generic, though. It has a certain set of conditions that have to be met for any of the specific strains of leftist thought to be considered left wing.

Liberal is by necessity relative to society and one’s individual culture.

It is generic. What's even worse is that it can be used to mean at least 5 movements that have nothing to do with each other.

The fact that you say this makes me think you don’t know what leftism is.

[Nakena]

America has turned in the past ten years from a rather conservative into a rather liberal nation and might be still currently in the process of doing so.

[Kowani]

America has turned in the past ten years from a rather conservative into a rather liberal nation and might be still currently in the process of doing so.

One good thing at the wheel.

[Neko-koku]

It is generic. What's even worse is that it can be used to mean at least 5 movements that have nothing to do with each other.

The fact that you say this makes me think you don’t know what leftism is.

There is no such thing as leftism. That's the main issue here.

You can not use a single word for socialism, environmentalism, feminism, racial egalitarianism and atheism. This can result in a hilarious amount of information loss. Using "leftism" for one or two of them is even worse because others don't agree with you on which eggs to put in the leftist basket.

[Cappuccina]

It is generic. What's even worse is that it can be used to mean at least 5 movements that have nothing to do with each other.

The fact that you say this makes me think you don’t know what leftism is.

Not really, left and right as terms have little meaning without context.

[Neko-koku]

The fact that you say this makes me think you don’t know what leftism is.

Not really, left and right as terms have little meaning without context.

They don't even have much meaning within context. There are leftists and rightists but no leftism or rightism in the same sense that there are Allies and Axis but no Allism or Axisism.

"Left" and "right" are simply generic names of politically allied factions that we can use other terms such as "feline" and "canine" to describe.

[Nakena]

Leftism isn’t generic, though. It has a certain set of conditions that have to be met for any of the specific strains of leftist thought to be considered left wing.

Liberal is by necessity relative to society and one’s individual culture.

It is generic. What's even worse is that it can be used to mean at least 5 movements that have nothing to do with each other. Same for "rightism". That's why I hate them.

At least I almost always use "soc left", "soc right", "econ left", "econ right" etc.

How can you classify me? I'm pretty much a moderate soc leftist or centrist on non-racial issues by Western standards, staunchly capitalist, staunchly anti-authoritarian and an HBDer.

Your worldview though comes across is extremly unorthodox (which isnt a bad thing mind you) by most western standards and you incorporate frequently and sometimes extensively arguments that appear to be straightly taken out of the alt-right toolbox.

Even if your practical political preferences might be closer to staunchly anti-authoritarian and compassionate social liberalism.

I am not unsimilar in a way that my worldview is (by contemporary western standards) archconservative, if not radical-right while my practical preferences are more closer to moderate social democracy on most issues.

[Neko-koku]

It is generic. What's even worse is that it can be used to mean at least 5 movements that have nothing to do with each other. Same for "rightism". That's why I hate them.

At least I almost always use "soc left", "soc right", "econ left", "econ right" etc.

How can you classify me? I'm pretty much a moderate soc leftist or centrist on non-racial issues by Western standards, staunchly capitalist, staunchly anti-authoritarian and an HBDer.

Your worldview though comes across is extremly unorthodox (which isnt a bad thing mind you) by most western standards and you incorporate frequently and sometimes extensively arguments that appear to be straightly taken out of the alt-right toolbox.

Even if your practical political preferences might be closer to staunchly anti-authoritarian and compassionate social liberalism.

I am not unsimilar in a way that my worldview is (by contemporary western standards) archconservative, if not far-right while my practical preferences are more closer to moderate social democracy on most issues.

Well my situation is even funnier because if we judge by the standards of PRC I'm actually socially far-left because the entire Overton Window in PRC in terms of social views has to be classified as ultratrad to the right of Christian fundamentalists by Western standards.

I'm really only "far-rightist" on one issue, namely race. As someone who is extremely unorthodox I'm not a segregationist and can never actually live happily in an ethnostate. My ideal environment is a freer variant of Singapore which is neither an ethnostate nor a diverse society in the Western sense of the term (because there are only several tribes there). That is, I want a diverse metropolis. However those who are for whatever reason prone to violence are kept out which may result in extreme statistical discrimination.

My ideology and practical preferences are almost the same. I do need to add that it isn't East Kekistanism because I will never have the brutality required to kill a person, let alone actually remaking the world in the image of an EK-dominated world.

[Cappuccina]

Tribes? Wtf are you talking about?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Tribes? Wtf are you talking about?

It’s EastKekistan. Ignore his ranting.

[Neko-koku]

Tribes? Wtf are you talking about?

Ethnic groups.

[Ordenstaat Burgundy]

Sadly America is far from becoming a fascist state. One can dream though...

Keep on dreaming

Well you never know...The dream could end up becoming a reality someday. Still though it would be a nice change of pace to see a fascist government in the US as it would mean we would no longer have to put up with the mewling/degeneracy of the communist wannabees that infest the House atm or the kleptocrats that occupy the senate.

[Neko-koku]

Keep on dreaming

Well you never know...The dream could end up becoming a reality someday. Still though it would be a nice change of pace to see a fascist government in the US as it would mean we would no longer have to put up with the mewling/degeneracy of the communist wannabees that infest the House atm or the kleptocrats that occupy the senate.

This is basically the view that ended the Roman Republic....terminal loss of asabiyyah results in a populist emperor and the permanent death of the republic.

No, that's not good.

[Nakena]

Keep on dreaming

Well you never know...The dream could end up becoming a reality someday. Still though it would be a nice change of pace to see a fascist government in the US as it would mean we would no longer have to put up with the mewling/degeneracy of the communist wannabees that infest the House atm or the kleptocrats that occupy the senate.

I think the first two weeks of Trump Administration may have been as close as the US will get to having a far-right presidency in practice. At least for the time being.

[Neko-koku]

Well you never know...The dream could end up becoming a reality someday. Still though it would be a nice change of pace to see a fascist government in the US as it would mean we would no longer have to put up with the mewling/degeneracy of the communist wannabees that infest the House atm or the kleptocrats that occupy the senate.

I think the first two weeks of Trump Administration may have been as close as the US will get to having a far-right presidency in practice. At least for the time being.

What matters the most is not whether leaders are Blue or Red. Instead it is whether Blues and Reds can still have enough shared norms.

[Nakena]

I think the first two weeks of Trump Administration may have been as close as the US will get to having a far-right presidency in practice. At least for the time being.

What matters the most is not whether leaders are Blue or Red. Instead it is whether Blues and Reds can still have enough shared norms.

Increasingly less as of recently. I believe a Roman Republic end might happen at some point.

[Neko-koku]

What matters the most is not whether leaders are Blue or Red. Instead it is whether Blues and Reds can still have enough shared norms.

Increasingly less as of recently. I believe a Roman Republic end might happen at some point.

Yep.

Obama and Trump don't matter that much. However their presidencies are both consequences of and then causes of dead shared norms.

Several facts are really awful:

1. Blues didn't recognize President Trump.

2. Political violence on both sides.

3. Reds talk about starting a self-coup to consolidate Red rule.

At least when Mr. Clinton and Bush Jr were around people didn't simply refuse to recognize them, start violent groups about them or encourage self-coups.

[Ordenstaat Burgundy]

Increasingly less as of recently. I believe a Roman Republic end might happen at some point.

Yep.

Obama and Trump don't matter that much. However their presidencies are both consequences of and then causes of dead shared norms.

Several facts are really awful:

1. Blues didn't recognize President Trump.

2. Political violence on both sides.

3. Reds talk about starting a self-coup to consolidate Red rule.

At least when Mr. Clinton and Bush Jr were around people didn't simply refuse to recognize them, start violent groups about them or encourage self-coups.

And now you see what happens when you allow the ignorant and uneducated to have access to the vote. They allow demagouges(Trump) and incompetent buffoons(Obama) the chance to attain the presidency, when they otherwise would never/should not have been able to access. You need only look at the last 9-10 years to see how allowing the masses to vote has worked out(and it's only going to get worse.)

[Neko-koku]

Yep.

Obama and Trump don't matter that much. However their presidencies are both consequences of and then causes of dead shared norms.

Several facts are really awful:

1. Blues didn't recognize President Trump.

2. Political violence on both sides.

3. Reds talk about starting a self-coup to consolidate Red rule.

At least when Mr. Clinton and Bush Jr were around people didn't simply refuse to recognize them, start violent groups about them or encourage self-coups.

And now you see what happens when you allow the ignorant and uneducated to have access to the vote. They allow demagouges(Trump) and incompetent buffoons(Obama) the chance to attain the presidency, when they otherwise would never/should not have been able to access. You need only look at the last 9-10 years to see how allowing the masses to vote has worked out(and it's only going to get worse.)

Democracy is really a double-edged sword. If you have it then you have demagogues in power. If you don't then the gov won't give a shit about the people. To me the main purpose of democracy is to prevent especially shitty situations such as Xi or Kim taking power. That's it.

[Nakena]

Yep.

Obama and Trump don't matter that much. However their presidencies are both consequences of and then causes of dead shared norms.

Several facts are really awful:

1. Blues didn't recognize President Trump.

2. Political violence on both sides.

3. Reds talk about starting a self-coup to consolidate Red rule.

At least when Mr. Clinton and Bush Jr were around people didn't simply refuse to recognize them, start violent groups about them or encourage self-coups.

And now you see what happens when you allow the ignorant and uneducated to have access to the vote. They allow demagouges(Trump) and incompetent buffoons(Obama) the chance to attain the presidency, when they otherwise would never/should not have been able to access. You need only look at the last 9-10 years to see how allowing the masses to vote has worked out(and it's only going to get worse.)

So you would suggest some mechanisms, either open or covert, to ensure that the true leadership of the US remains in the hand of a elite adherent to necessary principles of leadership and tradition? ^^

[Neko-koku]

And now you see what happens when you allow the ignorant and uneducated to have access to the vote. They allow demagouges(Trump) and incompetent buffoons(Obama) the chance to attain the presidency, when they otherwise would never/should not have been able to access. You need only look at the last 9-10 years to see how allowing the masses to vote has worked out(and it's only going to get worse.)

So you would suggest some mechanisms, either open or covert, to ensure that the true leadership of the US remains in the hand of a elite adherent to necessary principles of leadership and tradition? ^^

I don't think that really works either.

Ironically hereditary monarchy with predetermined succession rules is actually one of the best ways to produce non-sociopathic leaders...by taking away competition for the position. So is randomly picking a person to be the leader.

[Hakons]

Now whenever I write an essay, I know to start it with:

"I came across a video on YouTube, and people in the comment section were saying...."

[Rojava Free State]

America has turned in the past ten years from a rather conservative into a rather liberal nation and might be still currently in the process of doing so.

I don't know if I would say that.I think it's more polarized. I think people are more openly racist now whether they're black or white then they were five years ago so there's that. While the left pushes all kinds of ridiculous shit now like reparations, it isn't like the right vanished. Trump is president and they're pushing ridiculous shit now like a border wall or a travel ban on people coming from countries that have never produced American terrorists

[Rojava Free State]

Now whenever I write an essay, I know to start it with:

"I came across a video on YouTube, and people in the comment section were saying...."

If you believe the YouTube comment section then you would think all black people wanna kill whites, all white people despise black people, all Americans hate muslims, all latinos want 6ix9ine gone and all women are rampant mysandrists. The comment section attracts the worst of humanity