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Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:12 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
And how 'in touch' would say Obama is with his Irish heritage? How much does he identify with his Irish roots, how often does he talk about it in public?

Well, I don’t know how much he identifies with it, not being a mind reader and all.

The answer is he obviously doesn't identify as Irish or with Irish culture and history in any way. That's the tragedy of mixed-race procreation, abusing future generations by estranging and stranding them from a history and heritage they could have otherwise enjoyed.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:13 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Nobody knows whether they do. We have to be prepared and at least secure the solar system. Shit such as 'Oumuamua shouldn't have been able to sneak very close to the Earth without humans noticing. If we couldn't spot 'Oumuamua before it got that close how could we spot alien space fighters before it is too late?

Humanity needs a Solar System Defense Force right now.

I think the immediate danger created by humanity is much more pressing than a fantastical illusion of alien warfare.

such as what? If you think the danger is climate change then we need to focus on carbon dioxide removal tech. If the danger is racism then it is another reason to fix Sub-Saharan Africa now because as I said before, racism can never be reduced to safe levels if Sub-Saharan Africa does not get genetic engineering.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:14 pm**

Purgatio wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Maybe it's just me and I'm not at all a nationalist, but I don't see where you're coming from on this. I feel proud of what I've achieved, not what distant forefathers have.

Not mutually exclusive. I'm proud of my personal achievements, but I'm also proud of my family's personal achievements, I celebrate my parents' job promotions or my younger brother doing well in school even if its not a personal achievement of mine, and likewise I feel proud of my 'wider family' and their personal achievements, my race and ethnicity and the history it represents. For me to say 'I'm proud to be Chinese' has a whole racial history, ancestry and ethnic heritage tied up in that one statement and the enormity of human history it represents, and the same goes for any other racial or ethnic group.

It makes sense to be proud of people personally connected to you, but I really don't understand being proud of being proud of some wider groups achievements.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:14 pm**

Neko-koku wrote:
Gagium wrote:I, too, live in the alternate reality where this exists

Nobody knows whether they do. We have to be prepared and at least secure the solar system. Shit such as 'Oumuamua shouldn't have been able to sneak very close to the Earth without humans noticing. If we couldn't spot 'Oumuamua before it got that close how could we spot alien space fighters before it is too late?

Humanity needs a Solar System Defense Force right now.

But why? If these hypothetical aliens/robots are advanced enough to conquer entire solar systems, I'm sure they could run our planet better than our politicians. Right?

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:15 pm**

Purgatio wrote:
5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:So you igrone the fact that mixed children that if you go far back enough have a ancestor that would fit your term of British descent that mean they are British? Or it means they are not which therefore means there is a point of start of culture and anyone who has children outside that culture is no longer part of that culture... I'm gonna be honest man your idea is about as good as multiculturalism... okay not that bad but close it lack a real world application and is flawed made for an era that though I want to go back to (1930s) we just cant I want UK to get rid of idea of multiculturalism and remember the days when we didn't care about race... unless you where French or German, for us to do that we must get.ride of multiculturalism and not care about ones race problem solved.

I think a person who is born Anglo-Saxon will have a strong identification with the British Empire, a person born Germanic will have a stronger identification with German history and the German Empire, 23AndMe and other DNA testing companies can already trace your ancestry to reference populations as it stands so I don't see why my conception of the Nation as tied intrinsically to the tripartite indicators of Race, Ethnicity and Ancestry is so untenable, and is in fact a means of creating a stronger national identity than what we have currently, the tragedy of 'civic nationalism' and 'multiculturalism' which you seem to disagree with.

So we both recognise that ideas are important but we both just put a diffrent spin on family roots and what we class as family.roots. while I see it as literal members of a family (blood or not related) in a nation you try to measure it through heritage and lineage when in reality we are both arguing over the same point which we agree on. Holy hell if I'm right.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:16 pm**

Gagium wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Nobody knows whether they do. We have to be prepared and at least secure the solar system. Shit such as 'Oumuamua shouldn't have been able to sneak very close to the Earth without humans noticing. If we couldn't spot 'Oumuamua before it got that close how could we spot alien space fighters before it is too late?

Humanity needs a Solar System Defense Force right now.

But why? If these hypothetical aliens/robots are advanced enough to conquer entire solar systems, I'm sure they could run our planet better than our politicians. Right?

But why? If these hypothetical non-New Worlders, I mean, Spaniards, are advanced enough to conquer the Aztec Empire, I'm sure they could run Mexico better than Nahua politicians. Right?

(Yes, for them, not for us)

Better we meet them on their planet than they meet us on ours. We can and should be humane towards aliens we see on their planets. However we still need to reach them, not allow them to reach us.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:20 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Sachsen-Osterreich wrote:
It wouldn't be the first time that communists have sent class enemies to Re-education camps.....

Corbyn is not a communist.

Went on a honeymoon to the Soviet Union, wants to create "ownership funds", advocated for a trade block with Venezuela, and Cuba, described Karl Marx as a "great economist, supported the Irish republican terrorists, wants to abolish the Monarchy and most amusingly of all he wanted to leave the E.U for not being far enough to the left and it goes on and on. In summary if Corbynchev is not a communist then I am Rupert of the Rhine.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:27 pm**

Purgatio wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Corbyn is not a communist.

He's pretty close to it

Not really, no.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:30 pm**

Neko-koku wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I think the immediate danger created by humanity is much more pressing than a fantastical illusion of alien warfare.

such as what? If you think the danger is climate change then we need to focus on carbon dioxide removal tech.

That's what my hope is. I don't believe we will quickly enough to avoid collapse.

If the danger is racism then it is another reason to fix Sub-Saharan Africa now because as I said before, racism can never be reduced to safe levels if Sub-Saharan Africa does not get genetic engineering.

That is a problem, but not as pressing as climate change. Your obsession with editing black people's genes is not, in fact, the solution.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:31 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:such as what? If you think the danger is climate change then we need to focus on carbon dioxide removal tech.

That's what my hope is. I don't believe we will quickly enough to avoid collapse.
If the danger is racism then it is another reason to fix Sub-Saharan Africa now because as I said before, racism can never be reduced to safe levels if Sub-Saharan Africa does not get genetic engineering.

That is a problem, but not as pressing as climate change. Your obsession with editing black people's genes is not, in fact, the solution.

Then we will have to solve climate change. CO2 removal is necessary.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:33 pm**

Neko-koku wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:That's what my hope is. I don't believe we will quickly enough to avoid collapse.

That is a problem, but not as pressing as climate change. Your obsession with editing black people's genes is not, in fact, the solution.

Then we will have to solve climate change. CO2 removal is necessary.

Climate change will be fixed by free market right now due subsidies going to non renewable power generation slows down renewable sector if we let there be a fare playing board we will be fine

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:34 pm**

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Then we will have to solve climate change. CO2 removal is necessary.

Climate change will be fixed by free market right now due subsidies going to non renewable power generation slows down renewable sector if we let there be a fare playing board we will be fine

Imagine being this naïve.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:37 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:Climate change will be fixed by free market right now due subsidies going to non renewable power generation slows down renewable sector if we let there be a fare playing board we will be fine

Imagine being this naïve.

Imagine believing that the west should retard their economies whilst China and India continue to pollute in spite of international agreements.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:41 pm**

Sachsen-Osterreich wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Imagine being this naïve.

Imagine believing that the west should retard their economies whilst China and India continue to pollute in spite of international agreements.

Who gives a fucking shit about the economy? The existence of our species and of many others is at stake.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:43 pm**

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Not mutually exclusive. I'm proud of my personal achievements, but I'm also proud of my family's personal achievements, I celebrate my parents' job promotions or my younger brother doing well in school even if its not a personal achievement of mine, and likewise I feel proud of my 'wider family' and their personal achievements, my race and ethnicity and the history it represents. For me to say 'I'm proud to be Chinese' has a whole racial history, ancestry and ethnic heritage tied up in that one statement and the enormity of human history it represents, and the same goes for any other racial or ethnic group.

It makes sense to be proud of people personally connected to you, but I really don't understand being proud of being proud of some wider groups achievements.

Not just any wider group, a powerful and successful civilisation that you are descended from, by blood and lineage, an ancestral tribe and community you were born into

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:44 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:such as what? If you think the danger is climate change then we need to focus on carbon dioxide removal tech.

That's what my hope is. I don't believe we will quickly enough to avoid collapse.
If the danger is racism then it is another reason to fix Sub-Saharan Africa now because as I said before, racism can never be reduced to safe levels if Sub-Saharan Africa does not get genetic engineering.

That is a problem, but not as pressing as climate change. Your obsession with editing black people's genes is not, in fact, the solution.

The behavioural differences between some races and others are so vast in areas like criminality, economic productivity, educational attainment, many of those differences are responsible for the poor state of many countries on the globe today

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:46 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
He's pretty close to it

Not really, no.

Proposing to abuse quantitative easing and monetary policies for social programmes, liberally allowing strikes and union demonstrations, supporting a National Education Service, free college, nationalising almost every private industry and commanding heights of the economy, punishingly-high wealth taxes, inheritance taxes, capital gains taxes

He's pretty close to being a communist

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:47 pm**

Sachsen-Osterreich wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Imagine being this naïve.

Imagine believing that the west should retard their economies whilst China and India continue to pollute in spite of international agreements.

Basically, your solution is to keep slamming the gas as we head towards the cliff.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:47 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:Climate change will be fixed by free market right now due subsidies going to non renewable power generation slows down renewable sector if we let there be a fare playing board we will be fine

Imagine being this naïve.

Look man climate change is a small issue when compared to other threats like communist China, fascism radical Islam or population collapse, we need to focus on other problems beside if look how quickly renewable sector grew without goverment interference especially the solar industry you would understand what I mean. Also FRICK YOU CCP for ruining Chinese culture and landscape

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:50 pm**

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Imagine being this naïve.

Look man climate change is a small issue when compared to other threats like communist China, fascism radical Islam or population collapse, we need to focus on other problems beside if look how quickly renewable sector grew without goverment interference especially the solar industry you would understand what I mean. Also FRICK YOU CCP for ruining Chinese culture and landscape

You’re aware that climate change, besides killing millions and causing an unprecedented refugee crisis would also crash the global economy and screw over your food supply.

Also…Solar isn’t the way.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:51 pm**

Kowani wrote:
Sachsen-Osterreich wrote:
Imagine believing that the west should retard their economies whilst China and India continue to pollute in spite of international agreements.

Basically, your solution is to keep slamming the gas as we head towards the cliff.

Here is thing 67 percent of climate scientists dont know if its mankind or nature that's causing global warming we just lack the information. I want us to no longer be linked on oil from middle east so we need to go renewable. If are truly eco friendly you go after China and 3rd world get them on board with renewable tech and lecture the west who does very little harm in comparison.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:52 pm**

Kowani wrote:
5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:Look man climate change is a small issue when compared to other threats like communist China, fascism radical Islam or population collapse, we need to focus on other problems beside if look how quickly renewable sector grew without goverment interference especially the solar industry you would understand what I mean. Also FRICK YOU CCP for ruining Chinese culture and landscape

You’re aware that climate change, besides killing millions and causing an unprecedented refugee crisis would also crash the global economy and screw over your food supply.

Also…Solar isn’t the way.

Doesn't sound that bad. Worse comes to worse, there are refugees but that's easily solved by closing your borders to refugees. As for the food crisis part, that just means global food prices go up, so people pay more money for food. Not really disastrous.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:53 pm**

Cekoviu wrote:
Sachsen-Osterreich wrote:
Imagine believing that the west should retard their economies whilst China and India continue to pollute in spite of international agreements.

Who gives a fucking shit about the economy? The existence of our species and of many others is at stake.

Because regardless of what the West does the Orient while just continue to pollute and render any of our attempts to save the planet no matter how noble ( which would be horribly costly by the way and lead to mass unemployment) futile.

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:53 pm**

Kowani wrote:
5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:Look man climate change is a small issue when compared to other threats like communist China, fascism radical Islam or population collapse, we need to focus on other problems beside if look how quickly renewable sector grew without goverment interference especially the solar industry you would understand what I mean. Also FRICK YOU CCP for ruining Chinese culture and landscape

You’re aware that climate change, besides killing millions and causing an unprecedented refugee crisis would also crash the global economy and screw over your food supply.

Also…Solar isn’t the way.

We need nuclear!

Posted: **Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:54 pm**

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Basically, your solution is to keep slamming the gas as we head towards the cliff.

Here is thing 67 percent of climate scientists dont know if its mankind or nature that's causing global warming we just lack the information.

Cite that immediately.
[/quote]I want us to no longer be linked on oil from middle east so we need to go renewable. If are truly eco friendly you go after China and 3rd world get them on board with renewable tech and lecture the west who does very little harm in comparison.[/quote]
The US has the most emissions per capita, although you don’t seem to know that.

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