Is America becoming a Fascist nation?

[Lanorth]

No.

[Pacomia]

Who gives a fucking shit about the economy? The existence of our species and of many others is at stake.

Because regardless of what the West does the Orient while just continue to pollute and render any of our attempts to save the planet no matter how noble ( which would be horribly costly by the way and lead to mass unemployment) futile.

If China signed the Paris Agreement, who says they won’t sign another climate treaty? The US is the one that hasn’t signed it.

[Purgatio]

Who gives a fucking shit about the economy? The existence of our species and of many others is at stake.

Because regardless of what the West does the Orient while just continue to pollute and render any of our attempts to save the planet no matter how noble ( which would be horribly costly by the way and lead to mass unemployment) futile.

'The Orient'? Jeez, what century are you from.

[Sachsen-Osterreich]

Imagine believing that the west should retard their economies whilst China and India continue to pollute in spite of international agreements.

Basically, your solution is to keep slamming the gas as we head towards the cliff.

It is a sad state of affairs however although I believe that the government should provide strong economic incentives to develop viable alternatives their is no use is destroying our own economies a la Green Deal while pollution while just increase at a similar level anyway.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

I'd argue that it was inevitably going to become one.

It is a nation which worships a piece of cloth and its military and forces its children to pledge their allegiance to the nation every day. It already has the symbolism of a fascist state, along with the national consciousness of one (see: American 'patriotism' (i.e nationalism) and American exceptionalism), so it is merely an inevitably that it would become one.

As Upton Sinclair once said:
"When fascism comes to America, it shall be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Looks like he was right.

I'm not saying Trump is a fascist (well, he is, internally, but he just can't act as one due to the constraints of American politics), but that his election symbolises the collapse of the United States into fascism.

[Totenborg]

Becoming?

[5 Kingdoms of Britannia]

Look man climate change is a small issue when compared to other threats like communist China, fascism radical Islam or population collapse, we need to focus on other problems beside if look how quickly renewable sector grew without goverment interference especially the solar industry you would understand what I mean. Also FRICK YOU CCP for ruining Chinese culture and landscape

You’re aware that climate change, besides killing millions and causing an unprecedented refugee crisis would also crash the global economy and screw over your food supply.

Also…Solar isn’t the way.

That stuff if it does happen will occur in 50 years plus not in side a generation. Also if you cant tell we dont have the data at best all we know it's going up we cant be sure why we think its fossil fuels but considering earth weather is so complex we cant be sure!
At the end of the day we dont know that's what makes theis issue scary, if we act in way the Greta thunbergs of the world want us too mankind is sent back to the dark ages. If we dont act and are wrong human race dies.off. we need to go for a balance which is why we get renewable power use the others ways we have to make plastic (milk as an example it is also bio degrades when turned into a plastic) and let free market and average Joe make the choice through power of there wallets not big government or more God dam subsidies

[Purgatio]

Becoming?

Oh great, another hyperbolic leftist who thinks a country protecting their borders or cracking down on crime makes them Mussolini

[Pacomia]

I'd argue that it was inevitably going to become one.

It is a nation which worships a piece of cloth and its military and forces its children to pledge their allegiance to the nation every day. It already has the symbolism of a fascist state, along with the national consciousness of one (see: American 'patriotism' (i.e nationalism) and American exceptionalism), so it is merely an inevitably that it would become one.

As Upton Sinclair once said:
"When fascism comes to America, it shall be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Looks like he was right.

I'm not saying Trump is a fascist (well, he is, internally, but he just can't act as one due to the constraints of American politics), but that his election symbolises the collapse of the United States into fascism.

Patriotism≠nationalism≠fascism.

[Purgatio]

I'd argue that it was inevitably going to become one.

It is a nation which worships a piece of cloth and its military and forces its children to pledge their allegiance to the nation every day. It already has the symbolism of a fascist state, along with the national consciousness of one (see: American 'patriotism' (i.e nationalism) and American exceptionalism), so it is merely an inevitably that it would become one.

As Upton Sinclair once said:
"When fascism comes to America, it shall be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Looks like he was right.

I'm not saying Trump is a fascist (well, he is, internally, but he just can't act as one due to the constraints of American politics), but that his election symbolises the collapse of the United States into fascism.

Do you love your country and you want your children to love their country and its people too? How dare you, Franco.

[Pacomia]

I'd argue that it was inevitably going to become one.

It is a nation which worships a piece of cloth and its military and forces its children to pledge their allegiance to the nation every day. It already has the symbolism of a fascist state, along with the national consciousness of one (see: American 'patriotism' (i.e nationalism) and American exceptionalism), so it is merely an inevitably that it would become one.

As Upton Sinclair once said:
"When fascism comes to America, it shall be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Looks like he was right.

I'm not saying Trump is a fascist (well, he is, internally, but he just can't act as one due to the constraints of American politics), but that his election symbolises the collapse of the United States into fascism.

Do you love your country and you want your children to love their country and its people too? How dare you, Franco.

To be fair, the daily reciting of the pledge is a bit weird. Not fascistic, necessarily, but weird nonetheless.

[Gagium]

Becoming?

I suppose you don't live in the US?

[Vetalia]

If China signed the Paris Agreement, who says they won’t sign another climate treaty? The US is the one that hasn’t signed it.

Doesn't really look like we need to based on that chart, our emissions are already back to the levels of the late 1960s.

[Purgatio]

Do you love your country and you want your children to love their country and its people too? How dare you, Franco.

To be fair, the daily reciting of the pledge is a bit weird. Not fascistic, necessarily, but weird nonetheless.

How is reciting a pledge weird? A pledge is about recounting your allegiance and obligations to your country and what it represents, its not anything authoritarian, its more culturally-symbolic if anything else

[Great Mojave]

Imagine unironically answering yes to the poll

[Pacomia]

If China signed the Paris Agreement, who says they won’t sign another climate treaty? The US is the one that hasn’t signed it.

Doesn't really look like we need to based on that chart, our emissions are already back to the levels of the late 1960s.

That chart’s confusing. The top and bottom levels aren’t in the same place. What does that mean?

[Sachsen-Osterreich]

Because regardless of what the West does the Orient while just continue to pollute and render any of our attempts to save the planet no matter how noble ( which would be horribly costly by the way and lead to mass unemployment) futile.

If China signed the Paris Agreement, who says they won’t sign another climate treaty? The US is the one that hasn’t signed it.

Its because the Chinese how proven to be notoriously unreliable with international treaties and whilst the U.S under the Obama administration attempted to reduce emissions European Coal consumption increased along with a dependence or Russian petrol thanks to German paranoia of nuclear power. In essence the Paris agreement was a sham with none of the other major participants actually keeping their promises.

[5 Kingdoms of Britannia]

Here is thing 67 percent of climate scientists dont know if its mankind or nature that's causing global warming we just lack the information.

Cite that immediately.

I want us to no longer be linked on oil from middle east so we need to go renewable. If are truly eco friendly you go after China and 3rd world get them on board with renewable tech and lecture the west who does very little harm in comparison.[/quote]
The US has the most emissions per capita, although you don’t seem to know that.[/quote]
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1 ... 8/2/024024 here you go good sir

[Pacomia]

To be fair, the daily reciting of the pledge is a bit weird. Not fascistic, necessarily, but weird nonetheless.

How is reciting a pledge weird? A pledge is about recounting your allegiance and obligations to your country and what it represents, its not anything authoritarian, its more culturally-symbolic if anything else

Just seems like a relic of authoritarian states, I guess. The act itself might not be inherently authoritarian, but it’s now associated with nationalist authoritarianism.

[Bliuji]

Fascisim is big government, corperate socialsim and silencing the right to free speach etc. You must be brainwashed if you think Donald Trump is a fascist, or if America is becoming fascist.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

I'd argue that it was inevitably going to become one.

It is a nation which worships a piece of cloth and its military and forces its children to pledge their allegiance to the nation every day. It already has the symbolism of a fascist state, along with the national consciousness of one (see: American 'patriotism' (i.e nationalism) and American exceptionalism), so it is merely an inevitably that it would become one.

As Upton Sinclair once said:
"When fascism comes to America, it shall be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Looks like he was right.

I'm not saying Trump is a fascist (well, he is, internally, but he just can't act as one due to the constraints of American politics), but that his election symbolises the collapse of the United States into fascism.

Patriotism≠nationalism≠fascism.

What's the difference between patriotism and nationalism? Let me guess:
"One is nationalism I like, the other is nationalism I don't like."

You're not a socialist if you're a patriot (unless you're part of some group which lives under another group, such as African nations pre-decolonisation)

[Purgatio]

How is reciting a pledge weird? A pledge is about recounting your allegiance and obligations to your country and what it represents, its not anything authoritarian, its more culturally-symbolic if anything else

Just seems like a relic of authoritarian states, I guess. The act itself might not be inherently authoritarian, but it’s now associated with nationalist authoritarianism.

Even if it resembles something an authoritarian state would do, that doesn't mean the act itself is authoritarian or bad. It's why I personally think the US shouldn't have done away with the Bellamy salute just because of resemblance reasons, not a good reason to do away with something.

A pledge is just a way of renewing your promise to the country and its people and to remind you of that promise, that's all. Its nothing really binding and its not a contract or anything, its just words.

[Sachsen-Osterreich]

Do you love your country and you want your children to love their country and its people too? How dare you, Franco.

To be fair, the daily reciting of the pledge is a bit weird. Not fascistic, necessarily, but weird nonetheless.

I disagree, its a surviving tradition from a now hated past which we are constantly taught to despise. If anything a reintroduction of victorian pride in nations would do the world a great deal of good and I would further support the reintroduction of school prayer.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Just seems like a relic of authoritarian states, I guess. The act itself might not be inherently authoritarian, but it’s now associated with nationalist authoritarianism.

Even if it resembles something an authoritarian state would do, that doesn't mean the act itself is authoritarian or bad. It's why I personally think the US shouldn't have done away with the Bellamy salute just because of resemblance reasons, not a good reason to do away with something.

A pledge is just a way of renewing your promise to the country and its people and to remind you of that promise, that's all. Its nothing really binding and its not a contract or anything, its just words.

If your words intend to change the world, they are actions.

[Neko-koku]

Because regardless of what the West does the Orient while just continue to pollute and render any of our attempts to save the planet no matter how noble ( which would be horribly costly by the way and lead to mass unemployment) futile.

If China signed the Paris Agreement, who says they won’t sign another climate treaty? The US is the one that hasn’t signed it.

China doesn't give a shit about anything lol.