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Is Israel's ban of Omar and Tlaib justified or unjust?

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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:50 am

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Nova Cyberia wrote:She accused Israel of hypnotizing the world, and accusing Jews of hypnotizing the goyim is an age-old antisemitic trope.

Wasn’t that part of Adolf’s rhetoric?

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:51 am

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Nova Cyberia wrote:She accused Israel of hypnotizing the world, and accusing Jews of hypnotizing the goyim is an age-old antisemitic trope.

Wasn’t that part of Adolf’s rhetoric?

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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:51 am

Is there a better way to prove how much you are inclusive and human rights focused than by denying entry to American representatives? Can't think of a better way of convincing them they are wrong about the country they criticize. But to be honest, it's not the first time Israel denies Muslim people their right to go to the Holy Land. A new crusade soon?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:51 am

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What I’m getting is that they were visiting the contested West Bank. Not that they were going to avoid visiting Israel. I’m sorry, but with Trump shitting all over Twitter regarding this, I am very skeptic of real intentions for a ban here.

What do you suppose they were going to do there except try and stir shit up?

I mean, ffs, the whole modus operandi of "The Squad" (I cringe every time they're called this) is stirring shit up.


Last month Netanyahu had stated they would be allowed entry, even despite BDS support. Trump tweets it would be a show of weakness of Israel to let them in and magically now they have been denied entry? Come on.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:52 am

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Okay, where did they advocated for genocidal colonialism? And if she was antisemitic, wouldn't she not belittle her closest ally, Bernie Sanders, who himself is a Jew? They're against Zionism. Not Jews themselves.

I'm not going to get into the trap of explaining how Anti-zionism is Antisemitism in its most woke form. I'm in no mood for the so-called argument that follows.

It's not a trap. Antizionism=/=Antisemitism. Huge difference. Simple facts. And I'll leave it at that.
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Postby North German Realm » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:52 am

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Jolthig wrote:How is she antisemitic? What comments has she made that indicates such?

She accused Israel of hypnotizing the world, and accusing Jews of hypnotizing the goyim is an age-old antisemitic trope.

Wasn't that like, 7 years ago. People change (I'm not claiming Omar has, but that there shpuld be newer examples)
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Postby WayNeacTia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:53 am

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Jolthig wrote:Right, but perhaps Trump may have persuaded them. At this point, it's only suspicion.

He put pressure on them, yes. But ultimately this decision was made by the Israeli governmemt.


Decision was made by the Israeli government? Come on. Israel doesn't wipe it's own ass without the go ahead from the White House. Remember '91 when SCUDS were falling in Tel Aviv. The only reason Israel didn't hit back hard was because the Americans said no.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:53 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:How is she antisemitic? What comments has she made that indicates such?

She accused Israel of hypnotizing the world, and accusing Jews of hypnotizing the goyim is an age-old antisemitic trope.

Sources?
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Postby North German Realm » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:53 am

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North German Realm wrote:I'm not going to get into the trap of explaining how Anti-zionism is Antisemitism in its most woke form. I'm in no mood for the so-called argument that follows.

It's not a trap. Antizionism=/=Antisemitism. Huge difference. Simple facts. And I'll leave it at that.

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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:53 am

While Israel does have a right to bar certain people from entering (I guess?), this is stupid and is bound to stir more trouble, especially from Trump who hasn't helped the situation. God forbid you criticize Israel.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:54 am

Risastorstein wrote:Is there a better way to prove how much you are inclusive and human rights focused than by denying entry to American representatives? Can't think of a better way of convincing them they are wrong about the country they criticize. But to be honest, it's not the first time Israel denies Muslim people their right to go to the Holy Land. A new crusade soon?

Not an expert on Islam but I’m pretty sure it’s not called a crusade
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:55 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:What do you suppose they were going to do there except try and stir shit up?

I mean, ffs, the whole modus operandi of "The Squad" (I cringe every time they're called this) is stirring shit up.


Last month Netanyahu had stated they would be allowed entry, even despite BDS support. Trump tweets it would be a show of weakness of Israel to let them in and magically now they have been denied entry? Come on.

Trump's pressure played a role, but it's a bit more complicated than that. This gives a brief but good overview of it.
Israeli media reported earlier on discussions of barring the freshman congresswomen due to their support for the anti-Israel BDS movement. Israeli law says those supporting boycotts of the country may be denied entry.

Waivers can be granted for diplomatic figures, however, Haaretz reported. And in July, Israel’s U.S. ambassador said the country would not bar U.S. lawmakers out of “respect” for Congress and Israel’s longtime “alliance” with the U.S. Trump expressed frustration about the decision last week, The Washington Post reported.

Netanyahu, though, also faced pressure from Democratic leaders and some U.S.-based Israel advocacy groups that were advising against barring the congresswomen, the Post reported.

The Jerusalem Post reported Thursday that Netanyahu met Wednesday with Deri, Foreign Minister Israel Katz, Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan, National Security Council leader Meir Ben-Shabbat, and Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit to discuss the matter.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:56 am

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Nova Cyberia wrote:She accused Israel of hypnotizing the world, and accusing Jews of hypnotizing the goyim is an age-old antisemitic trope.

Sources?

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Postby North German Realm » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:56 am

Zurkerx wrote:While Israel does have a right to bar certain people from entering (I guess?), this is stupid and is bound to stir more trouble, especially from Trump who hasn't helped the situation. God forbid you criticize Israel.

Trump has a tendency of mucking thing up when he should leave them be. This is nothing new.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:58 am

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Last month Netanyahu had stated they would be allowed entry, even despite BDS support. Trump tweets it would be a show of weakness of Israel to let them in and magically now they have been denied entry? Come on.

Trump's pressure played a role, but it's a bit more complicated than that. This gives a brief but gold overview of it.
Israeli media reported earlier on discussions of barring the freshman congresswomen due to their support for the anti-Israel BDS movement. Israeli law says those supporting boycotts of the country may be denied entry.

Waivers can be granted for diplomatic figures, however, Haaretz reported. And in July, Israel’s U.S. ambassador said the country would not bar U.S. lawmakers out of “respect” for Congress and Israel’s longtime “alliance” with the U.S. Trump expressed frustration about the decision last week, The Washington Post reported.

Netanyahu, though, also faced pressure from Democratic leaders and some U.S.-based Israel advocacy groups that were advising against barring the congresswomen, the Post reported.

The Jerusalem Post reported Thursday that Netanyahu met Wednesday with Deri, Foreign Minister Israel Katz, Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan, National Security Council leader Meir Ben-Shabbat, and Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit to discuss the matter.


Netanyahu caved in quite easily, don’t you think?

Either way, I’m not surprised some Dems had their paws here too. Nor would I be surprised if Carter is mixed up in this too. I also wonder how Trump would feel if instead of Dem representatives, the tables were turned and the ban was for those of his party.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:59 am

Not that I have any sort of respect for Omar or Tlaib, this says a lot about our supposed "greatest ally".

Omar had a point about who controls American foreign policy.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:59 am

Zurkerx wrote:While Israel does have a right to bar certain people from entering (I guess?), this is stupid and is bound to stir more trouble, especially from Trump who hasn't helped the situation. God forbid you criticize Israel.

In a few years, Trump won't be president any more. But there will still be Democrats in Congress. Doesn't seem wise to piss off the people you're going to have to deal with long-term to win favour with the guy who is strictly in power short-term.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:02 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Not that I have any sort of respect for Omar or Tlaib, this says a lot about our supposed "greatest ally".

Omar had a point about who controls American foreign policy.


Well, you still can't change the fact that antisemitism is inherently Mugabe-like.

There is a reason why I said that antisemitism is inherently Communist in nature.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:02 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Not that I have any sort of respect for Omar or Tlaib, this says a lot about our supposed "greatest ally".

Omar had a point about who controls American foreign policy.


It’s going to come back to bite them in the ass and I’m not even going to bat an eyelash.
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I would be more than happy if the US barred all Israeli citizens from the country.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:03 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Not that I have any sort of respect for Omar or Tlaib, this says a lot about our supposed "greatest ally".

Omar had a point about who controls American foreign policy.


It’s going to come back to bite them in the ass and I’m not even going to bat an eyelash.


Israel has a large reckoning coming when an actual nationalist is elected to the presidency and tells them that America First means Israel is on its own.
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Postby No State Here » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:03 am

I guess free speech isn’t a thing for Israel?

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Neko-koku wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Not that I have any sort of respect for Omar or Tlaib, this says a lot about our supposed "greatest ally".

Omar had a point about who controls American foreign policy.


Well, you still can't change the fact that antisemitism is inherently Mugabe-like.

There is a reason why I said that antisemitism is inherently Communist in nature.


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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:03 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:While Israel does have a right to bar certain people from entering (I guess?), this is stupid and is bound to stir more trouble, especially from Trump who hasn't helped the situation. God forbid you criticize Israel.

In a few years, Trump won't be president any more. But there will still be Democrats in Congress. Doesn't seem wise to piss off the people you're going to have to deal with long-term to win favour with the guy who is strictly in power short-term.

Doubtful, given that they can barely get along with their own party. Didn't they call Pelosi racist?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:04 am

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It’s going to come back to bite them in the ass and I’m not even going to bat an eyelash.


Israel has a large reckoning coming when an actual nationalist is elected to the presidency and tells them that America First means Israel is on its own.


Something the US can indeed do if arsed enough.
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