Israel denies entry to Reps. Omar and Tlaib

[Totally Not OEP]

I agree with Bernie Sanders on this. If Israel wants to ban Members of Congress from visiting their country, then they should not keep getting all the billions of dollars of aid the U.S. has been sending them.

Case in point of what I mean.

[Vassenor]

It is more democratic than Israel. Simple fact.

Their leaders issue fatwas against fucking authors, they hang people from cranes, they are led by an ayatollah who is not elected. It’s a theocracy centred on the cult of Admiral Akbar and the magic teapot.

You do realise that aside from the fatwas and hanging you've basically described the UK, right?

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Their leaders issue fatwas against fucking authors, they hang people from cranes, they are led by an ayatollah who is not elected. It’s a theocracy centred on the cult of Admiral Akbar and the magic teapot.

You do realise that aside from the fatwas and hanging you've basically described the UK, right?

That's a hot take.

[North German Realm]

Are you having a bloody laugh?

It is more democratic than Israel. Simple fact.

Iran is more democratic than what? The number of countries Iran is more democratic than can be counted on one hand, and none of them are west of Afghanistan lmao

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

It is more democratic than Israel. Simple fact.

Iran is more democratic than what? The number of countries Iran is more democratic than can be counted on one hand, and none of them are west of Afghanistan lmao

Don't you know that social liberal democracies are less democratic than countries that imprison women for not putting on a scarf?

[Kowani]

Iran is more democratic than what? The number of countries Iran is more democratic than can be counted on one hand, and none of them are west of Afghanistan lmao

Don't you know that social liberal democracies are less democratic than countries that imprison women for not putting on a scarf?

To be fair, regressive social views are not technically mutually exclusive with democracy.

[Neko-koku]

It is more democratic than Israel. Simple fact.

Iran is more democratic than what? The number of countries Iran is more democratic than can be counted on one hand, and none of them are west of Afghanistan lmao

Iran isn't more democratic than Israel. However it is indeed more democratic than most other Muslim countries.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Don't you know that social liberal democracies are less democratic than countries that imprison women for not putting on a scarf?

To be fair, regressive social views are not technically mutually exclusive with democracy.

I'm sure they have open and free elections when they imprison protesters, but only ones of a certain gender.

[Neko-koku]

Don't you know that social liberal democracies are less democratic than countries that imprison women for not putting on a scarf?

To be fair, regressive social views are not technically mutually exclusive with democracy.

Of course.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Iran is more democratic than what? The number of countries Iran is more democratic than can be counted on one hand, and none of them are west of Afghanistan lmao

Iran isn't more democratic than Israel. However it is indeed more democratic than most other Muslim countries.

That is not an achievement.

[Neko-koku]

To be fair, regressive social views are not technically mutually exclusive with democracy.

I'm sure they have open and free elections when they imprison protesters, but only ones of a certain gender.

Iran does have female candidates and women in their Parliament.

[Neko-koku]

Iran isn't more democratic than Israel. However it is indeed more democratic than most other Muslim countries.

That is not an achievement.

Of course but still..at least people can pick presidents. In China and North Korea people can't pick anything.

Even the most authoritarian non-Sinosphere societies generally at least have de facto autonomous entities such as independent religious groups..It takes the Sinosphere and/or totalitarianism to make authoritarianism absolute.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I'm sure they have open and free elections when they imprison protesters, but only ones of a certain gender.

Iran does have female candidates and women in their Parliament.

My point is not that women can't be elected, my point is that Iran is still objectively less democratic than Israel. We have black senators in the US too.

[North German Realm]

Iran is more democratic than what? The number of countries Iran is more democratic than can be counted on one hand, and none of them are west of Afghanistan lmao

Don't you know that social liberal democracies are less democratic than countries that imprison women for not putting on a scarf?

I mean, while that is true, it's not why Iran isn't a democracy.

Iran is more democratic than what? The number of countries Iran is more democratic than can be counted on one hand, and none of them are west of Afghanistan lmao

Iran isn't more democratic than Israel. However it is indeed more democratic than most other Muslim countries.

The only country with Sharia as a legal code that Iran is more democratic than is Saudi Arabia, because that's an absolute monarchy that doesn't recognize the right to vote.

[Vassenor]

You do realise that aside from the fatwas and hanging you've basically described the UK, right?

That's a hot take.

Not really. Unelected monarch who is the head of one of the national state religions.

[Neko-koku]

Don't you know that social liberal democracies are less democratic than countries that imprison women for not putting on a scarf?

I mean, while that is true, it's not why Iran isn't a democracy.

Iran isn't more democratic than Israel. However it is indeed more democratic than most other Muslim countries.

The only country with Sharia as a legal code that Iran is more democratic than is Saudi Arabia, because that's an absolute monarchy that doesn't recognize the right to vote.

Iran is at least more democratic than Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait...but not Pakistan for example.

[North German Realm]

I mean, while that is true, it's not why Iran isn't a democracy.


The only country with Sharia as a legal code that Iran is more democratic than is Saudi Arabia, because that's an absolute monarchy that doesn't recognize the right to vote.

Iran is at least more democratic than Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait...but not Pakistan for example.

Not really. All three have a higher score on most democracy indexes than Iran does. For one, Kuwait and Jordan and Qatar are all Authoritarian regimes but still score about 1 point higher than Iran in the Democracy Index. In fact, of the 17 countries that are actually worse than Iran in that index, only 5 are Islamic; one is an absolute monarchy, three are in a state of civil war, and one just had a revolution.

[The Alma Mater]

To be fair, regressive social views are not technically mutually exclusive with democracy.

I'm sure they have open and free elections when they imprison protesters, but only ones of a certain gender.

Happily, Iran allows and even sponsors gender changes. So if you are a woman and want to be elected, just let them make a man out of you.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

That's a hot take.

Not really. Unelected monarch who is the head of one of the national state religions.

Who gives a shit? The monarch doesn't have any real power these days. Comparing a democracy where you're allowed to call for the removal of the monarch to any Muslim nation is hilarious.

[Pere Housh Alpha]

No matter what anybody says, it is Israel's right to deny them as they are a sovereign nation.

[Nakena]

The islamic Republic is a mutli-layered hybrid system and a pretty smart one at that. They're more advanced than lets say the USSR or the PRC, by introducing a democratic element to which they outsource various politics while all the hard matters of state security and the likes remain in the hand of the Supreme Leader and his apparatus.

So the civilian government acts as a buffer.

[Vassenor]

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Not really. Unelected monarch who is the head of one of the national state religions.

Who gives a shit? The monarch doesn't have any real power these days. Comparing a democracy where you're allowed to call for the removal of the monarch to any Muslim nation is hilarious.

What does Islam specifically have to do with whether a state is democratic or not?

[North German Realm]

The islamic Republic is a mutli-layered hybrid system and a pretty smart one at that. They're more advanced than lets say the USSR or the PRC, by introducing a democratic element to which they outsource various politics while all the hard matters of state security and the likes remain in the hand of the Supreme Leader and his apparatus.

So the civilian government acts as a buffer.

That's how it's supposed to happen in theory. In action, all this does is the civil government not being able to do anything while both the Leader and the President blame each other (i.e. Rohani says "'The Shadow Government' didn't allow us to do this" while Khamenei goes "I told them this wouldn't happen, but did they listen? noooooooooo. I just allowed them to do it because I'm a gudboi that doesn't abuse his authority.")

[Nakena]

No matter what anybody says, it is Israel's right to deny them as they are a sovereign nation.

They're also the Greatest Ally ever :^)

[Neko-koku]

Iran is at least more democratic than Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait...but not Pakistan for example.

Not really. All three have a higher score on most democracy indexes than Iran does. For one, Kuwait and Jordan and Qatar are all Authoritarian regimes but still score about 1 point higher than Iran in the Democracy Index. In fact, of the 17 countries that are actually worse than Iran in that index, only 5 are Islamic; one is an absolute monarchy, three are in a state of civil war, and one just had a revolution.

Does any index measuring democracy that DOESN'T place PRC and North Korea in the bottom 5 make sense?