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Is Israel's ban of Omar and Tlaib justified or unjust?

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Postby Yisrae1 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:50 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Yisrae1 wrote:Sad because it's true. Both sides feed off of the hate of the other.

Both have morally corrupt agendas, both are inciting hate, both are in the wrong.

I wonder if Omar and Talib have ever condemned Hezbollah and Hamas's anti-Semtism? There are tons of examples of pro-Israel Representatives who has spoken out against racist rhetoric. Although I have failed to find any one's on the other side. It's as if Israel's policies are ammo to use against Jewry worldwide and I'm sick of it.

Vicious cycle.

Sometimes that's the problem. People need to differentiate and realize that Jews aren't automatically equal to Israel. :hug:


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Yisrae1 wrote:OMG if I see JEWS one more time from someone who claims not to be anti-Semitic.

Hey. Long time; no see. Still fighting the good fight, I see. :)


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Postby Jolthig » Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:52 pm

Yisrae1 wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Sometimes that's the problem. People need to differentiate and realize that Jews aren't automatically equal to Israel. :hug:


Toda raba (thanks so much) :clap:

Fahran wrote:Hey. Long time; no see. Still fighting the good fight, I see. :)


Yes, it has been a long time. I always return to this kind of stuff on these forums. You know when there's an ounce of sanctimony and hypocrisy related to my country. Sarah will be there lol!

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I look forward to good interfaith dialogue between us.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:54 pm

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:Reminder that for all the shit Omar and Tlaib get they, unlike the Republican Party, don't support using the Jewish people as human sacrifices for the Second Coming :)

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:15 am

Yisrae1 wrote:
Novus America wrote:Well both sides benefit. Both Omar and Talib, and Netanyahu. This political conflict is exactly what they all want.

All appealing to their base.

Sad because it's true. Both sides feed off of the hate of the other.

Both have morally corrupt agendas, both are inciting hate, both are in the wrong.

I wonder if Omar and Talib have ever condemned Hezbollah and Hamas's anti-Semtism? There are tons of examples of pro-Israel Representatives who has spoken out against racist rhetoric. Although I have failed to find any one's on the other side. It's as if Israel's policies are ammo to use against Jewry worldwide and I'm sick of it.

Vicious cycle.


So what hate are these two representatives inciting?

And I see we're going with "they haven't condemned this loudly and publicly so they clearly support it" shtick again.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:17 am

Vassenor wrote:
Yisrae1 wrote:Sad because it's true. Both sides feed off of the hate of the other.

Both have morally corrupt agendas, both are inciting hate, both are in the wrong.

I wonder if Omar and Talib have ever condemned Hezbollah and Hamas's anti-Semtism? There are tons of examples of pro-Israel Representatives who has spoken out against racist rhetoric. Although I have failed to find any one's on the other side. It's as if Israel's policies are ammo to use against Jewry worldwide and I'm sick of it.

Vicious cycle.


So what hate are these two representatives inciting?

And I see we're going with "they haven't condemned this loudly and publicly so they clearly support it" shtick again.

Anti-zionist sentiment, for one.
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Postby Das Kaiser Reich » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:23 am

i don't understand why this a issue,
Omar has No Reason to go to Israel, let her "anti Semitic" Remarks that and hurt their Feelings
Tlaib is a Palestinian,
Israel and Palestine are enemy's so it would make sense they wouldn't let her in.
its similar to a South Korean not being allowed to visit relatives in the north.
a Palestinian not being allowed to visit a relative in Israel makes sense
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:24 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what hate are these two representatives inciting?

And I see we're going with "they haven't condemned this loudly and publicly so they clearly support it" shtick again.

Anti-zionist sentiment, for one.


Oh right I forgot that the State of Israel and its government are not allowed to be criticised under any circumstances.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Anti-zionist sentiment, for one.


Oh right I forgot that the State of Israel and its government are not allowed to be criticised under any circumstances.

That's not what anti-zionism is and you know it lmao
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Anti-zionist sentiment, for one.


Oh right I forgot that the State of Israel and its government are not allowed to be criticised under any circumstances.

When criticism of Israel means supporting terrorists (oh, sorry, the Palestinian government), I think we’re right to be wary.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:25 am

North German Realm wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh right I forgot that the State of Israel and its government are not allowed to be criticised under any circumstances.

That's not what anti-zionism is and you know it lmao


So let's see examples of inciting anti-Zionist sentiment then.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
North German Realm wrote:That's not what anti-zionism is and you know it lmao


So let's see examples of inciting anti-Zionist sentiment then.

When Tlaib refused to go visit her grandmother, even after Bibi lifted the ban specifically for that purpose? Clearly inciting undue hatred for inflammatory purposes.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:30 am

Das Kaiser Reich wrote:i don't understand why this a issue,
Omar has No Reason to go to Israel, let her "anti Semitic" Remarks that and hurt their Feelings
Tlaib is a Palestinian,
Israel and Palestine are enemy's so it would make sense they wouldn't let her in.
its similar to a South Korean not being allowed to visit relatives in the north.
a Palestinian not being allowed to visit a relative in Israel makes sense

Are you seriously comparing Israel to North Korea?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:31 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So let's see examples of inciting anti-Zionist sentiment then.

When Tlaib refused to go visit her grandmother, even after Bibi lifted the ban specifically for that purpose? Clearly inciting undue hatred for inflammatory purposes.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:When Tlaib refused to go visit her grandmother, even after Bibi lifted the ban specifically for that purpose? Clearly inciting undue hatred for inflammatory purposes.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

I’m being serious. What more does she want? Israel to give up all its sovereign territory? To concede to violent Islamists? I know you have this thing where you support Islamists, even when you have no good reason to do so, but is this the hill you want to die on?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:35 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

I’m being serious. What more does she want? Israel to give up all its sovereign territory? To concede to violent Islamists? I know you have this thing where you support Islamists, even when you have no good reason to do so, but is this the hill you want to die on?


So every time I decide not to do something I can do I'm inciting anti-zionist sentiment?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:36 am

Vassenor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:I’m being serious. What more does she want? Israel to give up all its sovereign territory? To concede to violent Islamists? I know you have this thing where you support Islamists, even when you have no good reason to do so, but is this the hill you want to die on?


So every time I decide not to do something I can do I'm inciting anti-zionist sentiment?

As always, it’s about context. Bibi lifted the ban specifically for her, then she refused because “muh palestine”. It’s a political statement.
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Postby Das Kaiser Reich » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:37 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Das Kaiser Reich wrote:i don't understand why this a issue,
Omar has No Reason to go to Israel, let her "anti Semitic" Remarks that and hurt their Feelings
Tlaib is a Palestinian,
Israel and Palestine are enemy's so it would make sense they wouldn't let her in.
its similar to a South Korean not being allowed to visit relatives in the north.
a Palestinian not being allowed to visit a relative in Israel makes sense

Are you seriously comparing Israel to North Korea?
that isn't an argument.
But if that Offends you too much to actually think of a Response
how about a White Russian who moved to America after the Revolution trying to Visit the Soviet Union ? or in the US civil war, a Yankee trying to get into Dixie ?
or a East German who fled East Germany trying to Visit East Germany ?
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:37 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So every time I decide not to do something I can do I'm inciting anti-zionist sentiment?

As always, it’s about context. Bibi lifted the ban specifically for her, then she refused because “muh palestine”. It’s a political statement.


So it's political to say "No, actually, I won't do this thing because it's not worth the hassle any more"?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:As always, it’s about context. Bibi lifted the ban specifically for her, then she refused because “muh palestine”. It’s a political statement.


So it's political to say "No, actually, I won't do this thing because it's not worth the hassle any more"?

It’s not a hassle. It’s called buying a fucking ticket at an airport.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:As always, it’s about context. Bibi lifted the ban specifically for her, then she refused because “muh palestine”. It’s a political statement.


So it's political to say "No, actually, I won't do this thing because it's not worth the hassle any more"?

It's specifically political when you publicly ask for entry despite a blanket ban "because I want to visit my grandma", get a humanitarian pass, and then say "yeah, I don't wanna visit my grandma anymore" after you get said pass publicly.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:43 am

Das Kaiser Reich wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:Are you seriously comparing Israel to North Korea?
that isn't an argument.
But if that Offends you too much to actually think of a Response
how about a White Russian who moved to America after the Revolution trying to Visit the Soviet Union ? or in the US civil war, a Yankee trying to get into Dixie ?
or a East German who fled East Germany trying to Visit East Germany ?

I did "think of a Response". You decided, for whatever reason, to liken Israel's policy to North Korea's.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:45 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Das Kaiser Reich wrote: that isn't an argument.
But if that Offends you too much to actually think of a Response
how about a White Russian who moved to America after the Revolution trying to Visit the Soviet Union ? or in the US civil war, a Yankee trying to get into Dixie ?
or a East German who fled East Germany trying to Visit East Germany ?

I did "think of a Response". You decided, for whatever reason, to liken Israel's policy to North Korea's.

Explain yourself, or you ought to unrustle your jimmies.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:46 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:I did "think of a Response". You decided, for whatever reason, to liken Israel's policy to North Korea's.

Explain yourself, or you ought to unrustle your jimmies.

Asking me to explain myself and not the guy trying to say Israel = North Korea :rofl: :clap:
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:47 am

Munkcestrian Republic wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Explain yourself, or you ought to unrustle your jimmies.

Asking me to explain myself and not the guy trying to say Israel = North Korea :rofl: :clap:

I’m glad you’ve demonstrated this early on in your return that your pointless drivel is utterly unworthy of response.
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Postby Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:49 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:Asking me to explain myself and not the guy trying to say Israel = North Korea :rofl: :clap:

I’m glad you’ve demonstrated this early on in your return that your pointless drivel is utterly unworthy of response.


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Do you have an actual argument?
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