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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:15 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:A camera on their ankle wouldn't see much. It'd just give some good views of the different varieties of dogshit around the neighbourhood.

The camera needs to be mounted on their head. It should be as bulky and conspicuous as possible, with enough weight to give little Timmy trouble if he wants to run anywhere.

How about a collar?

That could work.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:16 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Which makes sense given dogs are property.

As a societal action, we put GPS on our president and certain key members of Congress and the cabinet.

That'd be something that would actually lead me to sue the government I was elected to run if I ever got into that position. Assuming I couldn't just change it via executive order.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:17 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Galloism wrote:As a societal action, we put GPS on our president and certain key members of Congress and the cabinet.

That'd be something that would actually lead me to sue the government I was elected to run if I ever got into that position. Assuming I couldn't just change it via executive order.

It's for their protection, in case they're ever kidnapped.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:18 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:That'd be something that would actually lead me to sue the government I was elected to run if I ever got into that position. Assuming I couldn't just change it via executive order.

It's for their protection, in case they're ever kidnapped.

Oh I know that.
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Galloism wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:That'd be something that would actually lead me to sue the government I was elected to run if I ever got into that position. Assuming I couldn't just change it via executive order.

It's for their protection, in case they're ever kidnapped.

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Postby Highever » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:26 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Galloism wrote:People put gps on their dogs.

Which makes sense given dogs are property.

And yet ensuring some sort o similarf security for someones child by having some minor system where you know where they are if need me is incomprehensible? I do not even necessarily agree with it, but I dont really understand this logic either.
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Postby Ghost Land » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:40 am

Lanoraie II wrote:Only with the child's contractual consent, written without the parents in the same room and done every 6 months or so, and only with gps trackers. No audio or video.

I would consider getting a gps tracking app for a young child's phone/a watch, but only for safety, and because I believe in the Japanese way of letting your kids wander around town all they want (assuming it's not a bad place to live) with minimal supervision. Could be because that's how I was raised and I never got into trouble--granted, I was an extremely neurotic kid...so *I* was the parental supervision of the block. :rofl:

After they're 13 or so I'd trust them enough to not run into ongoing traffic or get into a stranger's van.

GPS tracking app for a watch? What kind of funky stuff is going on with technology that I don't know about? My watch tells me what time it is!

Either way, this (the link in OP's post) is a terrible invasion of privacy. Just because a child is a child doesn't mean he or she has no right to privacy. If the kid has a tendency to run away and be found in weird places, then I could see something like this, but for 99% of children this is a bloody overreach. What ever happened to letting kids be kids?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:48 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Which makes sense given dogs are property.

And yet ensuring some sort o similarf security for someones child by having some minor system where you know where they are if need me is incomprehensible? I do not even necessarily agree with it, but I dont really understand this logic either.

You own your dog. You do not own your child.
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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:49 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Highever wrote:And yet ensuring some sort o similarf security for someones child by having some minor system where you know where they are if need me is incomprehensible? I do not even necessarily agree with it, but I dont really understand this logic either.

You own your dog. You do not own your child.

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Postby Highever » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:53 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Highever wrote:And yet ensuring some sort o similarf security for someones child by having some minor system where you know where they are if need me is incomprehensible? I do not even necessarily agree with it, but I dont really understand this logic either.

You own your dog. You do not own your child.

It's not like parents could have some sort of interest in their children's safety or anything.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:56 am

I think if my parents ever tried anything like that i'd murder them both.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:57 am

Depends how old they are? At 5 yes. When they're 16, no. And when they're 20, you're just being weird at that point.

If my parents tried to track me as a kid, I would have found a way to defeat whatever they were using. I was a rebellious and out of control kid and I'm still a rebellious and out of control grown man, so i'd cheat the system in the end
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:57 am

Aclion wrote:I think if by parents ever tried anything like that i'd murder them both.


Damn, I mean there's what I was saying and then theres...that
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:59 am

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Lanoraie II wrote:Only with the child's contractual consent, written without the parents in the same room and done every 6 months or so, and only with gps trackers. No audio or video.

I would consider getting a gps tracking app for a young child's phone/a watch, but only for safety, and because I believe in the Japanese way of letting your kids wander around town all they want (assuming it's not a bad place to live) with minimal supervision. Could be because that's how I was raised and I never got into trouble--granted, I was an extremely neurotic kid...so *I* was the parental supervision of the block. :rofl:

After they're 13 or so I'd trust them enough to not run into ongoing traffic or get into a stranger's van.

GPS tracking app for a watch? What kind of funky stuff is going on with technology that I don't know about? My watch tells me what time it is!

Either way, this (the link in OP's post) is a terrible invasion of privacy. Just because a child is a child doesn't mean he or she has no right to privacy. If the kid has a tendency to run away and be found in weird places, then I could see something like this, but for 99% of children this is a bloody overreach. What ever happened to letting kids be kids?


We live in the age of helicopter parenting where people keep their kids inside all day and don't let them go past the driveway even when they're adults.

I know people who are fully grown and their parents still are so restrictive with them. Like come the actual fuck on, your kid is a grown man. Stop being such a wimp and let him be an adult for God's sake
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Postby Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:10 am

Rojava Free State wrote:Depends how old they are? At 5 yes. When they're 16, no. And when they're 20, you're just being weird at that point.

If my parents tried to track me as a kid, I would have found a way to defeat whatever they were using. I was a rebellious and out of control kid and I'm still a rebellious and out of control grown man, so i'd cheat the system in the end

Rebellious and out of control adults could rebel better.
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Postby Cybus1 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:22 am

I'm 21, so I'm hardly a child, but I still live with my parents while I attend college, and can offer some first-hand experiences with this. My mother insists I (and my sister) use this software called Life 360 so she can track us, see where we are because we have a tendency not to text her when we arrive at our destination. We've used it for the past two or three years. It is annoying, mostly because of the implication that she does not trust me to drive myself and my sister to work and back, and the fact that she wants to know where we are all the time.
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Cybus1 wrote:I'm 21, so I'm hardly a child, but I still live with my parents while I attend college, and can offer some first-hand experiences with this. My mother insists I (and my sister) use this software called Life 360 so she can track us, see where we are because we have a tendency not to text her when we arrive at our destination. We've used it for the past two or three years. It is annoying, mostly because of the implication that she does not trust me to drive myself and my sister to work and back, and the fact that she wants to know where we are all the time.

I know how to play funny games with that particular software. Want a tutorial?
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Cybus1 wrote:I'm 21, so I'm hardly a child, but I still live with my parents while I attend college, and can offer some first-hand experiences with this. My mother insists I (and my sister) use this software called Life 360 so she can track us, see where we are because we have a tendency not to text her when we arrive at our destination. We've used it for the past two or three years. It is annoying, mostly because of the implication that she does not trust me to drive myself and my sister to work and back, and the fact that she wants to know where we are all the time.

I know how to play funny games with that particular software. Want a tutorial?

Hmmm. I am tempted, but I suspect that would just get me yelled at.
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Eurgh, no. If anything kids need more freedom, not less. I'm a big fan of the "free-range parenting" promoted by Lenore Skenazy, so this would certainly run counter to that.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:01 am

Risastorstein wrote:If you are so scared of the outside world and/or don't trust your child, why having one in the first place? Will never understand this bullshit. Have a dog if you are so stressed about a kid.

Some people think of children as a cool accessory to have, something that they have to do because that’s what they where taught to do so, or something they can lord over and command to do things.

Usually those who use those reasons all end up abusing their children
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:02 am

Cybus1 wrote:I'm 21, so I'm hardly a child, but I still live with my parents while I attend college, and can offer some first-hand experiences with this. My mother insists I (and my sister) use this software called Life 360 so she can track us, see where we are because we have a tendency not to text her when we arrive at our destination. We've used it for the past two or three years. It is annoying, mostly because of the implication that she does not trust me to drive myself and my sister to work and back, and the fact that she wants to know where we are all the time.


God that just makes me so angry. It reminds me of how my best friend 's parents track him with this stupid app called friend finder and constantly are watching his every move. Now we can't even go to Dearborn without them getting bent out of shape
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:02 am

Cybus1 wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I know how to play funny games with that particular software. Want a tutorial?

Hmmm. I am tempted, but I suspect that would just get me yelled at.

There are lots of hints out there on how to trick Life 360, including this one: https://www.techjunkie.com/fake-location-life360/
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Postby Skarten » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:04 am

Until a certain age, then it's pretty fair that they do that. I'd say that 15 year olds and above are more than capable enough to be out of big mother's watch.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:04 am

Highever wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Which makes sense given dogs are property.

And yet ensuring some sort o similarf security for someones child by having some minor system where you know where they are if need me is incomprehensible? I do not even necessarily agree with it, but I dont really understand this logic either.

Children aren’t property but a human being with rights and an impressionable mind. Being a helicopter parent does absolutely nothing to help a child, neither does being a totally apathetic parent.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:04 am

I'm already tracked on Life 360, but I'm able to track them as well.

So...
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