by Australian rePublic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:37 am
by Highever » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:43 am
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Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.
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by Alanis Star » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:48 am
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•Northern Ateria wrote:"Aww, you [Clarissa] purr just like a little kitten..." - President Adamaris LeahHarleyMustang
Sapporo Hyperspace Riftgate Laboratory wrote:
> literally all NS nations that controlled the entire Earth ever, said in every place in NS possible, in every second since Max Barry created NationStates
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:48 am
by Toscana e Ducati di Firenze e Siena » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:49 am
by Australian rePublic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:51 am
Alanis Star wrote:I must move to one place that is not plagued by capitalism...
SPAAAAACEEEEE!
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References aside, it's not too soon as of now, but eventually, we will need to look at Mars. Even if somehow we managed to get Earth back in pristine condition and we are living there comfortably, there's a problem of overcrowding, though I reckon that would only be a problem in the next... 10-20 years, maybe?
We might need to go, but for the time being... We got our own problems on Earth that could use some attention first.
by The Blackcat Isles » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:55 am
by Kaedijork » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:00 am
by Nakena » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:33 am
Toscana e Ducati di Firenze e Siena wrote:I think that humanity should first solve the problems we've down here with climate crisis and the complete BS we're still in before thinking going to other planets.
Kaedijork wrote:All exploration endeavours suffered the same issue at first. Why did medieval kingdoms sent boats overseas to discover new lands when they were more likely to not come back successful, let alone at all? Why did the monarchs waste their 'tax' money on that? Because they knew that eventually the benefits would outweigh the costs.
With the current epidemic of acceleration towards global disaster, either from ecosystem collapse or WMD/war, it is imperative to the human race that we get off this planet. Not in the sense that we have Star Command up and running tomorrow, but in the sense that future generations will look back at us and go 'thank god they got it started before it was too late'.
We've got to start at some point, and all the problems outlined in the OP aren't going away anytime soon. If we wait until we 'solve' all of those problems, we'll be waiting til there's no one left. The time might as well be now, because whether we start now or in 100 years, the accidents/missteps that will contribute to our understanding of how to colonise the stars are going to be the same; can you imagine if we'd jumpstarted the development of electric technology by 100 years IRL? Where would we be now? Apply that principle to space travel. Place yourself in the same position of your great great grandchild, and give them that future.
There comes a point in every kid's life where they realise they are never going to the moon. If we hurry now, then in a decade, that doesn't have to be the case.
by Aclion » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:25 am
by -Ocelot- » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:40 am
Toscana e Ducati di Firenze e Siena wrote:I think that humanity should first solve the problems we've down here with climate crisis and the complete BS we're still in before thinking going to other planets.
by Free Arabian Nation » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:02 am
by Rojava Free State » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:04 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by The New California Republic » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:08 am
by BC freedom » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:17 am
Hon Hon Hon! let them eat cake!
-marie
by Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:25 am
by The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:39 am
Toscana e Ducati di Firenze e Siena wrote:I think that humanity should first solve the problems we've down here with climate crisis and the complete BS we're still in before thinking going to other planets.
by Free Arabian Nation » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:40 am
Kowani wrote:Somebody should tell the OP that the private sector is trying to go to space, and it’s not just Elon Musk.
by Neko-koku » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:41 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Space is the next Frontier, and there's absolutely no reason for any developed country in this day and age to a lack a space program. For this reason, I was actively campainingfor Australia to build a space program. We need to launch satelites for communication, security and weather purposes, and the militaries of the world would benefit greatly from space exploration. But beyond that, should we really be in such a hurry to explore space? I mean, if there was any benefit, the private sector would be working on getting there. I know, I know- astroid mining. I'm sure someone's working on that. And indeed Virgin Galactic are working on profitable space endeavours, e.g. space tourism.
Sure you could argue that Elon Mask is also working on space travel, but he's doing that as a hobby, rather than a business venture. I mean, beyond that, I really don't see how we'll benefit from, say, a Mars colony for atleast 50 years. Till then, it's just an expensive, pointless method of sending people to sending people to the middle of nowhere for the rest of their lives. In the meanwhile, we have homelessness, disease and everything else to worry about here on terra firma. And that doesn't mention the ethical and environmental concerns. I could create an entire thread on the ethics of space travel alone.
But space travel is cool
So? Don't look to NationStates, away from this websites space travel is a very niche hobby. Why should car enthuist, train enthuist, etc. enthuist pay taxes to fund your hobby?
Space will solve overpopulation
A Mars colony will be able to support, what, maybe, 100 people, max, in the foreseeable future. This is a drop in the ocean for overpopulation. And it'll need to be supplied by Earth anyways.
We can a lot about space from space travel
Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. What benefit could we get from learning about space? If you think learning about space should be a priority because it's interesting, please refer to my earlier point about space being cool
I don't know, whilst space exploration is invediable, I just don't think we should be in any hurry to fund space exploration now. I think wr have bigger priorities to focus on here o Earth. What do you think?
by Dooom35796821595 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:47 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Toscana e Ducati di Firenze e Siena wrote:I think that humanity should first solve the problems we've down here with climate crisis and the complete BS we're still in before thinking going to other planets.
I think that humanity as a unified force doesnt exist. America however should go to space and secure Mars before anyone else can. Also the moon.
The Red (Mars) White (Moon) and Blue. (Earth).
by Aclion » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:51 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
I think that humanity as a unified force doesnt exist. America however should go to space and secure Mars before anyone else can. Also the moon.
The Red (Mars) White (Moon) and Blue. (Earth).
You can’t just plant a flag on a celestial body and claim it for team America, it would be a violation of the outer space treaty. Not to mention completely unenforceable.
by Dooom35796821595 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:55 am
by Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:07 am
by Solarist VZ » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:08 am
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