Are Police for the most part good or bad?

[Kernen]

It isn't. Police will use what you say against you, and will attempt to mislead you, trick you, and put words into your mouth. If the police are talking to you, it’s because they suspect you have committed a crime. If they have detained you, it’s because they already have enough evidence to arrest you and they want to see if you will admit it and thus, give them an even stronger case against you. If they have evidence to arrest you for a crime, they will. If they don’t, they won’t. It’s as simple as that. Talking to them or not talking to them won’t make a difference! No one has ever “talked his way out of” an arrest. If the police have enough evidence to make an arrest, they will.

If you deny that you committed the crime, they will not believe you. They already have evidence suggesting that you committed the crime. They’ll assume you’re just doing what every criminal does in denying the offense. It will not prevent you from getting arrested. This is completely contrary to popular belief.

And even if you’re innocent, an innocent person can still make some assumption about a fact or state some detail about the case they overheard on the way to the police station, and the police will assume that they only way the suspect could have known that fact or that detail was if he was, in fact, guilty.

Example: Suppose a police officer is questioning a suspect about a homicide. He says that the victim died in a gangland style execution. The suspect makes the statement “I don’t know who killed the victim. I’ve never owned a gun in my life. I don’t even like guns.” On it’s face, there’s nothing incriminating about that statement. But suppose at trial, the prosecutor asks the police officer if anything about that statement surprised him. The police officer answers “Yes, it surprised me when the suspect mentioned a gun, because I had never mentioned a gun before that. I merely told him that I was investigating a homicide.”

When the officer said there has been a homicide, the suspect may have simply assumed that the killing was done with a gun. Or the suspect may have overheard in the police station some other officer talk about the fact that it was a shooting. But if the officer taking the statement had never mentioned a gun or a shooting, and the suspect makes the statement that he had never owned a gun, you give the prosecution the opportunity to create some high drama and has made a statement about a gun because he is, in fact, the murderer. And as the murderer, he knew that a gun was used.

This is just one of many, many reasons why talking to the police will never help you. Even if you're guilty and want to confess, talking to the police won't help you.

My bad. It's narrow minded and presumptuous

Ah, yes. Because throwing around personal jabs is defeating points backed up by criminal practice. Such success. Many wow.

That's if you are suspected of a crime, reporting one is a different matter

Reporting a crime for which you are not the victim is just a really good way attract suspicion. Even then, the police will show up hours later and take notes. You're better off calling your insurance company if you're the victim of a crime than the police.

[Alvecia]

My bad. It's narrow minded and presumptuous

Ah, yes. Because throwing around personal jabs is defeating points backed up by criminal practice. Such success. Many wow.

That'll happen when you identify your argument as yourself.

[Kernen]

Ah, yes. Because throwing around personal jabs is defeating points backed up by criminal practice. Such success. Many wow.

That'll happen when you identify your argument as yourself.

Most of it comes from my criminal procedure professor, who was a criminal defense attorney for...ever? But if you're ever interested in a law professor's take on it, I can send you a link to a lecture I attended once on the subject.

Even when police are acting professional and honest, they're working adversely to your own interests and should be given as little to work with as possible.

[Ethel mermania]

My bad. It's narrow minded and presumptuous

Ah, yes. Because throwing around personal jabs is defeating points backed up by criminal practice. Such success. Many wow.

That's if you are suspected of a crime, reporting one is a different matter

Reporting a crime for which you are not the victim is just a really good way attract suspicion. Even then, the police will show up hours later and take notes. You're better off calling your insurance company if you're the victim of a crime than the police.

Well if I see a crime I am still reporting it.

[Kernen]

Ah, yes. Because throwing around personal jabs is defeating points backed up by criminal practice. Such success. Many wow.


Reporting a crime for which you are not the victim is just a really good way attract suspicion. Even then, the police will show up hours later and take notes. You're better off calling your insurance company if you're the victim of a crime than the police.

Well if I see a crime I am still reporting it.

Hey man, its your life to gamble with. Me? I never see anything.

[Farnhamia]

Ah, yes. Because throwing around personal jabs is defeating points backed up by criminal practice. Such success. Many wow.


Reporting a crime for which you are not the victim is just a really good way attract suspicion. Even then, the police will show up hours later and take notes. You're better off calling your insurance company if you're the victim of a crime than the police.

Well if I see a crime I am still reporting it.

Besides, your insurance agent is going to ask, "Did you report it to the police?" And yes, if I see a crime, I'm reporting it.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I suspect I'm the inspiration for this thread, so you already know what I think: bad. Police are around to deprive you of your rights and to enforce the states view on the public. You don't join the police force because you have a love of protecting people, you join it because you like the power and authority it gives you over the average citizen.

I am sure some do, but to assume all do is completely baseless.

We can purge the bad apples without getting rid of the whole concept.

[Ethel mermania]

Well if I see a crime I am still reporting it.

Besides, your insurance agent is going to ask, "Did you report it to the police?" And yes, if I see a crime, I'm reporting it.

Indeed, but in kernen's defense, he is not the first attorney I have chatted with that made the same point.

[Serbia-Macedonia]

My dad was a police officer and he got killed in the line of duty when I was 13.


He was shot by a member or El Chapo's drug string.

Anyone who says police are a bad thing to have, your a sick and evil person. My dad loved his job, and he wouldn't change anything.


RIP Dad

1961 - 2009

[Kernen]

My dad was a police officer and he got killed in the line of duty when I was 13.


He was shot by a member or El Chapo's drug string.

Anyone who says police are a bad thing to have, your a sick and evil person. My dad loved his job, and he wouldn't change anything.


RIP Dad

1961 - 2009

Sick? No. Evil? In the traditional sense, yes.

[Scomagia]

It should be police and civilians, rather than police over civilians. There's no need for antagonism as the interests are the same, at least in principle. The police need some degree of authority in order to conduct investigations and arrests but the conditions of their authority should be as narrow as is needed to enforce the rule of law. Over broad authority or opacity in decision making lead to public distrust, unneeded violence, and ultimately more difficulty enforcing the law. So, police and civilians should be complementary with each aiding the other and engaging in open, civil dialogue.

Talking to police will never, ever help you. It can only hurt. Nobody should cooperate with them for their own benefit.

When under suspicion of a crime, yes. But I was not talking about that. I thought it was obvious but I'll clarify: I was meaning dialogue in the sense of The People talking with The Police, vis a vis civilian commissions and town meetings, and not individuals talking to individual police when being questioned.

[-Ocelot-]

Police officers receive training that's designed to make them think of other people as lesser humans. To put it plainly, they are capable of cracking the skull of a 15 year old girl without feeling any remorse if orders say so, and this is all that matters. They are also good at planting drugs on protesters, pretending they are protesters to cause havoc, beating up people they dislike during or after the arrest, targeting specific social groups they dislike etc.

So while you can argue that the police does crack down on burglars, thieves, scammers, killers etc, don't forget that you are no different to these criminals, if circumstances change.

The only entities the police is designed to protect are corporations. Everyone else is fair game, as long as orders say so.

[Kernen]

Talking to police will never, ever help you. It can only hurt. Nobody should cooperate with them for their own benefit.

When under suspicion of a crime, yes. But I was not talking about that. I thought it was obvious but I'll clarify: I was meaning dialogue in the sense of The People talking with The Police, vis a vis civilian commissions and town meetings, and not individuals talking to individual police when being questioned.

Ah, see that's a different story.

[New Bremerton]

Depends on the country. The Hong Kong Police Force is very, very bad. The Royal Malaysian Police are mostly bad. I'd expect German, British or Japanese police to be mostly good. U.S. police are kind of in the middle for me.

[Vallermoore]

In the UK mainly good-but as with all groups of people there are a few bad ones. And the occasional bad thing done by police is dwarfed by the problems there would be without them, when there would be either lawlessness or lynch law.

[Rojava Free State]

In the UK mainly good-but as with all groups of people there are a few bad ones. And the occasional bad thing done by police is dwarfed by the problems there would be without them, when there would be either lawlessness or lynch law.

No point in having a police force if they themselves operate like a gang. Remember the LAPD C.R.A.S.H. Rampart scandal?.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

I have had only one experience with police. It was negative (although we knew who broke in, they refused to do anything). Not all are bad and not all are good, like virtually all groups.

[The Serbian Empire]

In theory, they are good as an idea. In actuality, the position attracts racists and those who desire to kill or maim others.

[Herador]

It depends on where you are and what color you are, in my experience.

[Page]

A certain amount of cops are power hungry thugs, a certain number are well-intentioned people who want to do good, and a certain number are a deep shade of gray. What percentage of each group, that's impossible to say.

But I do think there are more bad cops than implied by the phrase 'a few bad apples'.

[WayNeacTia]

Police serve a legitimate purpose, but that doesn't mean every department is well-run or every cop is a good fit for that job.

Give the boat and up vote please? This may be the best answer I have heard yet when it comes to law enforcement.

[Scomagia]

When under suspicion of a crime, yes. But I was not talking about that. I thought it was obvious but I'll clarify: I was meaning dialogue in the sense of The People talking with The Police, vis a vis civilian commissions and town meetings, and not individuals talking to individual police when being questioned.

Ah, see that's a different story.

Yeah, I'm firmly in the "shut up and lawyer up" camp of dealing with law enforcement questioning.

[Paul cam]

Policemen do a good job every day. I even wanted to work as a policeman. Right now I am in between jobs and I am thinking of changing careers. Police may be a good start for a job seeker. I think I will upload my resume at Bazaraki and wait or the police office offers for an interview. I am sure I have all the skills.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Good for the Most part. You need Police to help maintain law and order in society, but some of them are cunts, heavily corrupt and go on power trips to abuse people and that kind of stuff should be tackled, but for the most part, i'd say they are a positive thing to have.

[Arlenton]

Probably mostly good, but plenty of bad too.

Local militias led by a democratically elected sheriff are a better alternative.