Books you recommended for people who disagree with you?

[Bombadil]

I'm not the Pope, and perhaps the Catholic Church shouldn't choose one who doesn't follow his conscience when faced with moral decisions.

It's easy after the fact to say 'oh but I didn't agree..'

And I can certainly agree and excuse many who passively stood by but not if they go onto be Pope.

He was twelve, he didn’t attend Hitler Youth meetings, nor did he fire a shot or beat up a Jew. He deserted the Hitler Youth and became a prisoner. I think you’re just a little salty that I said your recommendation was wrong.

He joined the air defense force and trained in infantry before deserting at the end of the war, and we haven't started on covering up pedophilia to protect the church among other retrograde actions.

I'm not the Pope, and perhaps the Catholic Church shouldn't choose one who doesn't follow his conscience when faced with moral decisions.

It's easy after the fact to say 'oh but I didn't agree..'

And I can certainly agree and excuse many who passively stood by but not if they go onto be Pope.

Your desperation to slander Pope Benedict XVI is nothing short of pathetic. If you want to offend Catholics, find better bait.

Don't project.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

He was twelve, he didn’t attend Hitler Youth meetings, nor did he fire a shot or beat up a Jew. He deserted the Hitler Youth and became a prisoner. I think you’re just a little salty that I said your recommendation was wrong.

He joined the air defense force and trained in infantry before deserting at the end of the war, and we haven't started on covering up pedophilia to protect the church among other retrograde actions.

Your desperation to slander Pope Benedict XVI is nothing short of pathetic. If you want to offend Catholics, find better bait.

Don't project.

Yes, he was drafted into the Luftwaffenhelfer and then trained in infantry, because he was literally drafted, as in, forced to join. He literally did nothing wrong, you’re just salty that your recommendation was stupid.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Not thick enough these days.

Civil discourse is not self-sustaining. Without a shared set of ideas and principles underpinning society there's disagreement on what the bounds of discourse should be, and it ceases to be civil as the little people squabble and try to deplatform and threaten each other into silence.

We live in era in which liberal capitalism, with its short-sighted focus on selfish individualism and on self-sanctifying through ideologies of diversity and tolerance to present itself as "progressive", is undermining the foundations for civil discourse, a civil society.

Why should you talk civilly with those who disagree with you? You don't have a religious, national or political identity in common and they're disagreeing with you - they're an enemy, not a fellow "anything".

You're an Individual with Big and Important Opinions, practical politics is clearly a sham, none of those people are any better than Very Smart You, and the real serious politics and righteous takes are obviously found in the global network of basement meme factories. Why should you compromise and discuss things nicely with the unwoke/degenerate (delete as appropriate) brainlets who are clearly not the Main Character in this story like you are and are just in the way? You have a Cause!

Indeed it's not self-sustaining, but it could be sustained by culture, by word of mouth and by recommendation.

Why should you be civil with those who disagree with you? Because the one thing we all do have in common is that we all have ideas, we all have opinions and arguments and we all have beliefs which are wrong and beliefs which are right. And we could learn from each other. And because talking uncivilly, being rude and nasty to each other accomplishes nothing and only causes strife.

Also, pet peeve: liberal capitalism does not encourage selfish individualism, it only allows it when most other ideologies are more prohibitive of it.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Is this really a thing? You disagree with someone over something so you suggest they read a specific book?

Alright, fine. The collected works of Chuck Tingle. Anyone who reads "I'm Gay For My Living Billionaire Jet Plane" will reconsider their obviously abhorrent beliefs and agree with you wholeheartedly. Remainers and Brexiteers alike will find common ground after reading "“Pounded By The Pound: Turned Gay By The Socioeconomic Implications Of Britain Leaving The European Union"" and the sequel follow up"Slammed By The Substantial Amount Of Press Generated By My Book “Pounded By The Pound: Turned Gay By The Socioeconomic Implications Of Britain Leaving The European Union""

That feeling when of all the books I've seen mentioned here, "I'm Gay For My Living Billionaire Jet Plane" is the one I'm most familiar with.

[Bombadil]

He joined the air defense force and trained in infantry before deserting at the end of the war, and we haven't started on covering up pedophilia to protect the church among other retrograde actions.



Don't project.

Yes, he was drafted into the Luftwaffenhelfer and then trained in infantry, because he was literally drafted, as in, forced to join. He literally did nothing wrong, you’re just salty that your recommendation was stupid.

Like I say, tis but a quibble against the various other things he stood for..

..anyway, at this point it's veering into threadjacking.

[Locus Praemonstratus]

Yes, he was drafted into the Luftwaffenhelfer and then trained in infantry, because he was literally drafted, as in, forced to join. He literally did nothing wrong, you’re just salty that your recommendation was stupid.

Like I say, tis but a quibble against the various other things he stood for..

..anyway, at this point it's veering into threadjacking.

He stood for Goodness and slanders from people who’d lie about how to properly acquaint someone with the Christian religion doesn’t change that, but yes this is a threadjack.

[Cekoviu]

Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital.

I've read the former and am not at all convinced that communism is workable or a good idea (although I did agree with it a while back).

[Cekoviu]

Is this really a thing? You disagree with someone over something so you suggest they read a specific book?

Alright, fine. The collected works of Chuck Tingle. Anyone who reads "I'm Gay For My Living Billionaire Jet Plane" will reconsider their obviously abhorrent beliefs and agree with you wholeheartedly. Remainers and Brexiteers alike will find common ground after reading "“Pounded By The Pound: Turned Gay By The Socioeconomic Implications Of Britain Leaving The European Union"" and the sequel follow up"Slammed By The Substantial Amount Of Press Generated By My Book “Pounded By The Pound: Turned Gay By The Socioeconomic Implications Of Britain Leaving The European Union""

Holy shit, I didn't think those would be real things.

[Kowani]

Also, pet peeve: liberal capitalism does not encourage selfish individualism, it only allows it when most other ideologies are more prohibitive of it.

Ha. Can we get better jokes, please?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Also, pet peeve: liberal capitalism does not encourage selfish individualism, it only allows it when most other ideologies are more prohibitive of it.

Ha. Can we get better jokes, please?

Yeah, must be a weird joke - how could anyone miss it? The entire ideology is about the index of success being making as much money as possible and then engaging in conspicuous consumption to show how well you're doing and how you're living your "best life".

There's a pseudo-cult around the "entrepreneurial spirit" and ordinary workers being obliged to work as hard as possible without making demands in order for the wonderful visions of the innovator master race to be brought about without "socialist" envy politics; either you're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire smart enough to get there one day or you're a dumb dumb drone riddled with sentimentality, stupidity or lack of drive who should support the system and its monumental awards for those at the top because without these gods among men there'd be no way for you to be gainfully employed.

All successes and all failings, all inequalities and all injustices are laid on "the individual", it's the most basic underlying feature of the system. If you boil it down, under this framework having to work with or for other people is evidence of a deficiency in ability, imagination and drive. The most esteemed quality of Man under capitalism is ruthless selfishness. It's the "x-factor" that separates its winners from its losers.

Anything that values notions of virtue, anything about something more than money and "me me me" is a vestige of or hybridisation with other ideological systems, and stands in tension or outright opposition to liberal capitalism.

[Ethel mermania]

Battlefield Earth

Because I don't like people who disagree with me.

+1 interweb for best answer.

[Strahcoin]

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand to those who oppose free-market capitalism.

1984 by George Orwell to those who support socialism and the banning of "hate speech".

Understanding Trump by Newt Gingrich to those who think Trump is not a good president.

The House of Mirth by Edith Wharton to those who don't realize that those in the "upper-class" can easily fall into poverty by being irresponsible.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The bible and the pink swastika.

Hitler killed homosexuals. That book is propaganda.

[Giovenith]

1984 by George Orwell to those who support socialism and the banning of "hate speech".

George Orwell supported socialism.

[Strahcoin]

1984 by George Orwell to those who support socialism and the banning of "hate speech".

George Orwell supported socialism.

Nevertheless, 1984 was able to show the terrible aspects of socialism. (Low productivity, lying to the public, murdering dissenters, etc.)

Perhaps it is due to confirmation bias (I have yet to hear of socialism that doesn't involve starvation or suppressing dissent), or perhaps there was a part in the book that I haven't read that fundamentally changes the plot.

[Kowani]

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand to those who oppose free-market capitalism.

I asked earlier if we could get better jokes. This isn’t fucking funny, people!

[Strahcoin]

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand to those who oppose free-market capitalism.

I asked earlier if we could get better jokes. This isn’t fucking funny, people!

I wasn't joking. I was listing books those who disagree with me should try reading with an open mind.

Also, let's try keeping this thread polite and cool-headed. We will all be better off that way.

[Giovenith]

George Orwell supported socialism.

Nevertheless, 1984 was able to show the terrible aspects of socialism. (Low productivity, lying to the public, murdering dissenters, etc.)

Perhaps it is due to confirmation bias (I have yet to hear of socialism that doesn't involve starvation or suppressing dissent), or perhaps there was a part in the book that I haven't read that fundamentally changes the plot.

It's your confirmation bias. You, like many, don't know what you're talking about when you say "socialism" — you think it's a synonym for "totalitarianism" because you, as OP warns, have only ever heard it talked about by people who are trying to dissuade you from it through exaggerated scare tactics. What is it actually? In the most boiled down and basic sense, it is simply the process of some function of society being owned/maintained by the people of that society as a whole instead of a private entity, like a person, company, group, etc. There are many ways to apply socialism, including in genuinely evil and totalitarian ways, but pretty much no one besides the most ruthless of anarchists fails to believe in some form of socialism — it's not a matter of do or do not, but how much and in what ways.

Literally anything you pay for with your taxes is technically socialism, because that's how it is maintained as a public facility as opposed to being considered a private property, organization, establishment, etc. Your sig says you support "strong national defense" — the U.S. military is paid for with taxes because it's designed to serve the people as a whole. Congratulations, you support socialism.

[Liriena]

The bible and the pink swastika.

Hitler killed homosexuals. That book is propaganda.

Yeah, I know this thread is not technically supposed to devolve into discussions about the books themselves but... geesh. He just had to pick the one piece of homophobic literature that's been unequivocally trashed as dishonest, ignorance-exploiting bollocks by every single historian that's come across it.

[Liriena]

1984 by George Orwell to those who support socialism and the banning of "hate speech".

Not only was Orwell a socialist, but the banning of "hate speech" as it exists in most contemporary democratic societies is not even remotely close to similar to how the totalitarian dystopia Orwell envisioned handled dissent.

This constant conservative misappropriation of Orwell's work almost makes me wish it'd never been printed.

[Kowani]

I asked earlier if we could get better jokes. This isn’t fucking funny, people!

I wasn't joking. I was listing books those who disagree with me should try reading with an open mind.

Also, let's try keeping this thread polite and cool-headed. We will all be better off that way.

Then don’t suggest Ayn Rand, because that’s an argument against Free Market capitalism.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Hitler killed homosexuals. That book is propaganda.

Yeah, I know this thread is not technically supposed to devolve into discussions about the books themselves but... geesh. He just had to pick the one piece of homophobic literature that's been unequivocally trashed as dishonest, ignorance-exploiting bollocks by every single historian that's come across it.

I wonder if it is a satire NS account. Poe's law in action.

[Liriena]

Yeah, I know this thread is not technically supposed to devolve into discussions about the books themselves but... geesh. He just had to pick the one piece of homophobic literature that's been unequivocally trashed as dishonest, ignorance-exploiting bollocks by every single historian that's come across it.

I wonder if it is a satire NS account. Poe's law in action.

If it's satire, the commitment to the bit is astounding.

[Ethel mermania]

Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand to those who oppose free-market capitalism.

1984 by George Orwell to those who support socialism and the banning of "hate speech".

Understanding Trump by Newt Gingrich to those who think Trump is not a good president.

The House of Mirth by Edith Wharton to those who don't realize that those in the "upper-class" can easily fall into poverty by being irresponsible.

You must really hate people who oppose capitalism

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Ha. Can we get better jokes, please?

Yeah, must be a weird joke - how could anyone miss it? The entire ideology is about the index of success being making as much money as possible and then engaging in conspicuous consumption to show how well you're doing and how you're living your "best life".

There's a pseudo-cult around the "entrepreneurial spirit" and ordinary workers being obliged to work as hard as possible without making demands in order for the wonderful visions of the innovator master race to be brought about without "socialist" envy politics; either you're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire smart enough to get there one day or you're a dumb dumb drone riddled with sentimentality, stupidity or lack of drive who should support the system and its monumental awards for those at the top because without these gods among men there'd be no way for you to be gainfully employed.

All successes and all failings, all inequalities and all injustices are laid on "the individual", it's the most basic underlying feature of the system. If you boil it down, under this framework having to work with or for other people is evidence of a deficiency in ability, imagination and drive. The most esteemed quality of Man under capitalism is ruthless selfishness. It's the "x-factor" that separates its winners from its losers.

Anything that values notions of virtue, anything about something more than money and "me me me" is a vestige of or hybridisation with other ideological systems, and stands in tension or outright opposition to liberal capitalism.

It's true, liberalism's outlook on society is heavily focused on the individual, but there is a difference between supporting the individual, and supporting individual greed. As for everything else you said, it's simply untrue. You are ascribing values to liberalism and liberals which very few liberals hold. "Entrepreneurial spirit is praised, certainly, but not to the expense of everything else. And no one's most valued quality is selfishness except for that of Randian Objectivists. Most decent virtues don't stand in tension or opposition to the ideology of liberalism but instead are either endorsed by it or are seen as neutral by it.