Steven Crowder vs Carlos Maza

[Liriena]

Direct action tends to get the goods as a general rule of thumb, but I will agree that the "direct action" we're talking about here... uh... kinda doesn't get the goods.


They aren't, but they are the most immediately widespread and dangerous ones in the Anglosphere right now. So the fact that the Trump administration is diverting resources away from federal agencies and non-governmental organizations dedicated to them, and towards Islamic extremism (which, while certainly a problem still, is not the most dangerous one domestically) makes no practical sense and could easily be argued (imho) to be purely ideological.

Has it been proven that this has hindered the ability of the government to deal with white supremacists?

Depends on what you mean by "dealing" with white supremacists, I'd guess.

[Cerinda]

Also, yes it is. Antifa = Liberal idiots who think Violence against their political opponents is ok.

Whatever it used to mean, that's all it means now.

No it doesn't lol. Antifa is a mixed group of Anarchists and some Marxists who see the increasing danger of fascism. Also liberal does not equal leftist, read a book and you'll see there's a big difference, and maybe you'll actually learn something.

And while we aren't 100% sure what his motivation was thanks to him being dead and leaving no manifesto, there was some evidence it was an attempted retaliation for the El Paso shooting.

Oh so you have evidence at all and that's just a complete lie, got it. If this was a retaliation for El Paso why wouldn't pick a right-wing target? Why murder innocent people? And kill his own sister as well?

If anything this seems like a non political mass shootings that usually happen in America.

Antifa haven't killed a single person. The right-wing however have massacred entire Mosques, Churches, Synagogues, they've bombed buildings, abortion clinics, parks, etc.

So one side is murdering people, while the other is throwing milkshakes and punching Nazis, but I forgot Antifa bad.

Assault doesn't become okay just because the people you are assaulting may or may not hold an ideology that may or may not advocate violence. The two sides don't need to be equals for them to both be garbage.

I've never defended nor justified what Antifa has done, I've actually said I'm against violence in this very thread.

[Scomagia]

Has it been proven that this has hindered the ability of the government to deal with white supremacists?

Depends on what you mean by "dealing" with white supremacists, I'd guess.

That's a weak dodge. You are making the case that by investigating terror groups that aren't white supremacists, the Fed is effectively less capable of investigating white supremacist terrorists. That is a claim you need to prove.

[Aureumterra]

Didn’t this happen two months ago? Anyways, it’s blown over by now and Crowder is doing great as the controversy made more people than ever subscribe to his paid podcast, meanwhile, Maza can technically take credit for getting Crowder’s channel demonetized, so it’s a win-win (kind of)

[Tech Support Scammer]

Didn’t this happen two months ago? Anyways, it’s blown over by now and Crowder is doing great as the controversy made more people than ever subscribe to his paid podcast, meanwhile, Maza can technically take credit for getting Crowder’s channel demonetized, so it’s a win-win (kind of)

Yeah this did happen I think about two months ago. When I made this, it was mainly because there was not a thread for this. Also it was past midnight and I could not get any sleep until I made this thread.

[Ifreann]

Crowder is the better person in this situation.

Ummm... no. Crowder is not and has never been the better person in any situation... except whenever he's interviewed white supremacists, I guess. Hard to be worse than Stefan Molyneux.

I still wouldn't call him the better person there. Just the other bad person.

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Didn’t this happen two months ago? Anyways, it’s blown over by now and Crowder is doing great as the controversy made more people than ever subscribe to his paid podcast, meanwhile, Maza can technically take credit for getting Crowder’s channel demonetized, so it’s a win-win (kind of)

A win would have been Crowder's videos getting taken down.

[Nova Cyberia]

Has it been proven that this has hindered the ability of the government to deal with white supremacists?

Depends on what you mean by "dealing" with white supremacists, I'd guess.

You know what, screw it. If they're a bigger problem then I agree its shitty to shift money away with from dealing with them.

[Surkiea]

Didn’t this happen two months ago? Anyways, it’s blown over by now and Crowder is doing great as the controversy made more people than ever subscribe to his paid podcast, meanwhile, Maza can technically take credit for getting Crowder’s channel demonetized, so it’s a win-win (kind of)

Crowder shouldn't have been demonetized though, his "homophobic" comments were justified. This is just another example of far leftists trying to censor people for telling the truth.

[Liriena]

Didn’t this happen two months ago? Anyways, it’s blown over by now and Crowder is doing great as the controversy made more people than ever subscribe to his paid podcast, meanwhile, Maza can technically take credit for getting Crowder’s channel demonetized, so it’s a win-win (kind of)

Crowder shouldn't have been demonetized though, his "homophobic" comments were justified. This is just another example of far leftists trying to censor people for telling the truth.

Hating gay people is not "truth".

[Kowani]

Didn’t this happen two months ago? Anyways, it’s blown over by now and Crowder is doing great as the controversy made more people than ever subscribe to his paid podcast, meanwhile, Maza can technically take credit for getting Crowder’s channel demonetized, so it’s a win-win (kind of)

Crowder shouldn't have been demonetized though, his "homophobic" comments were justified. This is just another example of far leftists trying to censor people for telling the truth.

You’re aware how YouTube’s TOS work?

[Liriena]

Ummm... no. Crowder is not and has never been the better person in any situation... except whenever he's interviewed white supremacists, I guess. Hard to be worse than Stefan Molyneux.

I still wouldn't call him the better person there. Just the other bad person.

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Didn’t this happen two months ago? Anyways, it’s blown over by now and Crowder is doing great as the controversy made more people than ever subscribe to his paid podcast, meanwhile, Maza can technically take credit for getting Crowder’s channel demonetized, so it’s a win-win (kind of)

A win would have been Crowder's videos getting taken down.

A win would have been Crowder's sugar daddies dropping him like the Mercers dropped Milo.

[Liriena]

Crowder shouldn't have been demonetized though, his "homophobic" comments were justified. This is just another example of far leftists trying to censor people for telling the truth.

You’re aware how YouTube’s TOS work?

Tbf, not even YouTube knows how their TOS work.

[Kowani]

You’re aware how YouTube’s TOS work?

Tbf, not even YouTube knows how their TOS work.

…Fair point.

[Surkiea]

Crowder shouldn't have been demonetized though, his "homophobic" comments were justified. This is just another example of far leftists trying to censor people for telling the truth.

Hating gay people is not "truth".

That's your opinion, doesn't mean you should censor people for disagreeing with you.

[Benuty]

The FBI losing J Edgar Hoover was the greatest tragedy this country faced when it came to its internal intelligence apparatus. The man may have been a cunt, but he knew how to hold purges of unseedy elements of society especially rabble-rousers.

[Ifreann]

I still wouldn't call him the better person there. Just the other bad person.

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A win would have been Crowder's videos getting taken down.

A win would have been Crowder's sugar daddies dropping him like the Mercers dropped Milo.

That would also have been good.

[Benuty]

Tbf, not even YouTube knows how their TOS work.

…Fair point.

I mean youtube is pretty good at censoring channels so there is that.

[Benuty]

A win would have been Crowder's sugar daddies dropping him like the Mercers dropped Milo.

That would also have been good.

A guy fetishizing his trauma of being raped as a kid, and becoming an outrageous provocateur with a love for black men isn't really the same.

[Surkiea]

Crowder shouldn't have been demonetized though, his "homophobic" comments were justified. This is just another example of far leftists trying to censor people for telling the truth.

You’re aware how YouTube’s TOS work?

Are you aware that YouTube is overtly left-wing and only censors right-wing and Christian channels?

[Liriena]

Hating gay people is not "truth".

That's your opinion, doesn't mean you should censor people for disagreeing with you.

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[Galborea]

Crowder is a failed comedian. I'm glad he's getting his comeuppance.

[Kowani]

The FBI losing J Edgar Hoover was the greatest tragedy this country faced when it came to its internal intelligence apparatus. The man may have been a cunt, but he knew how to hold purges of unseedy elements of society especially rabble-rousers.

Rabble-rousing is good if done for a cause for the benefit of all.

You’re aware how YouTube’s TOS work?

Are you aware that YouTube is overtly left-wing and only censors right-wing and Christian channels?

You know what? Cite that claim. And then cite the reasons YouTube gave for every channel that you’re using as an example.

[Ifreann]

That would also have been good.

A guy fetishizing his trauma of being raped as a kid, and becoming an outrageous provocateur with a love for black men isn't really the same.

It doesn't need to be the same for it to true that it would have been good if Crowder had been dropped by his big money backers.

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You’re aware how YouTube’s TOS work?

Are you aware that YouTube is overtly left-wing and only censors right-wing and Christian channels?

Are you aware that this is a lie?

[Benuty]

Depends on what you mean by "dealing" with white supremacists, I'd guess.

That's a weak dodge. You are making the case that by investigating terror groups that aren't white supremacists, the Fed is effectively less capable of investigating white supremacist terrorists. That is a claim you need to prove.

The federal government has been accidentally pretty good at stirring up white supremacist sentiment in the past. I wouldn't say its weaker as it is idiotic in the approach. Case in point, the overblown reaction at Waco caused people who sympathized with white supremacist values to become full-blown white supremacists. This was only hardened when U.S marshalls and others fired onto a family at Ruby Ridge killing a mother, and child. This kicked the hornet's nest equivalent of white supremacists in the pacific northwest harder than anything you can imagine. It doesn't help that the government would be found to have had a role in the very events leading up to Ruby Ridge (by accident).

[Liriena]

Both sides are stupid, both sides have crazy screaming nuts.

I'd say nominally The White Supremacists are worse but Crowder isn't one, he's just an idiot.
As is Maza.

Can we talk about people who actually matter?

jerm bot?