Battle for the Pink House(An Argentine Election Thread)

[Neko-koku]

Any capitalist party that isn't socially traditional?

[Liriena]

Any capitalist party that isn't socially traditional?

Macri's coalition doesn't have one defined stance on social issues.

Espert's is more explicitly and uniformly socially liberal.

[Neko-koku]

Any capitalist party that isn't socially traditional?

Macri's coalition doesn't have one defined stance on social issues.

Espert's is more explicitly and uniformly socially liberal.

Libertarian Party. Looks awesome. Can he be elected though?

[Liriena]

Macri's coalition doesn't have one defined stance on social issues.

Espert's is more explicitly and uniformly socially liberal.

Libertarian Party. Looks awesome. Can he be elected though?

Well, it's a popular vote system, not an electoral college system, so he does technically have a chance... but no.

He received less than 3% of the vote during the primaries. If he's lucky, his party will get a deputy or two in our National Congress, maybe a few provincial and municipal level seats.

And any candidate who believes in privatizing and gatekeeping our public universities should be tarred and feathered, not elected to the presidency.

[Nakena]

Any capitalist party that isn't socially traditional?

As far as I know the problem is that capitalist (or neoliberal) parties in Argentina have an incredibly bad record when in government up to crashing the entire economy in 2001, that makes peronist rule - for all it shortcommings - being the lesser evil. (though the biggest neoliberal was a peronist himself in the 1990s....)

Frente NOS - Juan José Gómez Centurión and Cynthia Hotton (right-wing populist) - 2.62%

This one pissed me off, tbh. I'd rather see Espert get double his votes tonight than have those authoritarian, lying religious conservatives anywhere near elligibility in the general election.

I wondered if theres some right-wing party around but if thats really their best then it doesnt looks good for them or on them.

[Neko-koku]

Libertarian Party. Looks awesome. Can he be elected though?

Well, it's a popular vote system, not an electoral college system, so he does technically have a chance... but no.

He received less than 3% of the vote during the primaries. If he's lucky, his party will get a deputy or two in our National Congress, maybe a few provincial and municipal level seats.

And any candidate who believes in privatizing and gatekeeping our public universities should be tarred and feathered, not elected to the presidency.

I have mixed opinions on public universities.

Pros: Access for poor but talented students, Lack of corporate corruption of research

Cons: Corruption, government corruption of research

Ideally I think intellectuals should probably be a special caste devoted to truthseeking and knowledge acquisition alone. They should be allowed to share all kinds of unpopular and offensive truths with impunity and should be given a middle class lifestyle by the society. The only requirement intellectuals should have is absolute honesty with respect to what they do research in. An intellectual is paid to correct the gov and the society even if they may not listen to them.

[Forumland]

It sure looks like we might be on the verge of a Pink Tide 2.0

addressing this here since it seemed more appropriate

pan-continental political trends like the “Pink Tide” aren’t actually a thing. it’s really just drawing a correlation where none exists

like the latest political journalist narrative of a conservative resurgence in Latin America really doesn’t work when examined closely. see: Mexico, Panama, and now Argentina. almost as if different countries have different political environments

Well, this is interesting, to be sure.

Seems that the Argentine Peso is collapsing in value. If the Peronists win, they'll be in a tough situation, to be sure.

this really doesn’t matter for the Peronists until the next election. they have plenty of time. if it’s still decreasing in value by then we can talk, but right now Macri will take the blame. rip lol

[Phoenicaea]

pardon, how s Kirchner family "center-left", and the president "center-right"? what criteria

[Liriena]

pardon, how s Kirchner family "center-left", and the president "center-right"? what criteria

It kind of boils down to austerity vs welfare state, and free trade and finance-oriented policy vs protectionism and industry-oriented policy.

[Liriena]

Quick update on the post-primaries state of affairs: the Argentine peso did suffer a significant devaluation the day after the primaries. Along with that, the stock market suffered significant losses.

It also looks like Macri's strategy for addressing his loss and its aftermath is blaming everyone other than himself or his cabinet. He insisted on demanding that Fernandez and his coalition engage in "self-criticism", and blamed voters themselves for any negative socioeconomic phenomena in the future. Many people have, understandably, characterized his approach as "extortion" and "gaslighting".

[Arcadian Union]

Here's hoping the centre left party will win.

[Liriena]

Here's hoping the centre left party will win.

Well, they did win the open primaries with a 16 point lead. They could lose a couple points in october and they'd still win in the first round of the general.

[Arcadian Union]

Here's hoping the centre left party will win.

Well, they did win the open primaries with a 16 point lead. They could lose a couple points in october and they'd still win in the first round of the general.

Oh I didn't know that lol. Well here's hoping they can make a better government than the previous one.

Also your flag is amazing

[Loben The 2nd]

The only difference is, this time, the CIA can’t overthrow the new leftist government.

A few other differences:

1. Fernández has a dog called Dylan and he's beautiful.

2. Fernández is also probably the best dad in Argentine politics. He has a non-binary-ish child who does drag and cosplay, and when journalists started to try to make a thing out of it, Fernández spoke about them with so much love and support and acceptance and my heart hurts in a nice way.

A child who does drag?

Nobody look at his browser history.

[Rio Cana]

Here's hoping the centre left party will win.

The center left party you are talking about is Peronism. Peronism is not right or left.

When it comes to Peronism, experts say, the traditional definitions of left and right serve no purpose.

Historian Gustavo Nicolas Contreras explains that the movement's three main principles -- political sovereignty, economic independence and social justice -- are sufficiently broad that sectors of society as diverse as blue-collar workers, industrial bourgeoisie and the most nationalist elements of the army can all identify with them.

Got above quote from France 24 - https://www.france24.com/en/20190813-ar ... e-to-macri

[Liriena]

A few other differences:

1. Fernández has a dog called Dylan and he's beautiful.

(Image)

2. Fernández is also probably the best dad in Argentine politics. He has a non-binary-ish child who does drag and cosplay, and when journalists started to try to make a thing out of it, Fernández spoke about them with so much love and support and acceptance and my heart hurts in a nice way.

A child who does drag?

Nobody look at his browser history.

I called them a child because I'm pretty sure they are non-binary. Said child is, in fact, an adult... and pretty hot.

Get your mind out of the gutter, Loben.

[Loben The 2nd]

A child who does drag?

Nobody look at his browser history.

I called them a child because I'm pretty sure they are non-binary. Said child is, in fact, an adult... and pretty hot.

Get your mind out of the gutter, Loben.

Blame the last time someone thought “drag” and “child” went great together in the same sentence.

Didn’t end well.

[Nakena]

And here they are!

[Liriena]

And here they are!

Dyhzy! ♡

We stan a presidential drag queen. o7

[Nakena]

And here they are!

Dyhzy! ♡

We stan a presidential drag queen. o7

Never Argentina had so much presidential style ever since Evita. o/

Can say what one want but they are simply irresistible. ♡

[Liriena]

Another update on the post-primaries state of affairs:

After yesterday's disastrous day for our financial sector, it looks like the entire economy is holding its breath while the American dollar continues to gravitate at around 60 Argentine pesos. Honda is just abandoning car manufacturing in the country altogether, the flour milling industry is not supplying our bread industry with any flour until they can set prices, the fuel industry is holding its breath, real estate is paralysed and they're already forecasting 50% annual inflation.

Also, the government is now seeking a loan from the Federal Reserve of 20 billion dollars to cover for the devaluation.

And Macri's tactic of blaming Fernandez and his voters for everything has, predictably, backfired. Everyone is even more pissed at him, media both foreign and domestic is calling him out on his bullshit, and Fernández has not taken the bait.

[Neko-koku]

Another update on the post-primaries state of affairs:

After yesterday's disastrous day for our financial sector, it looks like the entire economy is holding its breath while the American dollar continues to gravitate at around 60 Argentine pesos. Honda is just abandoning car manufacturing in the country altogether, the flour milling industry is not supplying our bread industry with any flour until they can set prices, the fuel industry is holding its breath, real estate is paralysed and they're already forecasting 50% annual inflation.

Also, the government is now seeking a loan from the Federal Reserve of 20 billion dollars to cover for the devaluation.

And Macri's tactic of blaming Fernandez and his voters for everything has, predictably, backfired. Everyone is even more pissed at him, media both foreign and domestic is calling him out on his bullshit, and Fernández has not taken the bait.

60 pesos, WTF?

When Macri took power it was about 12 on the black market, right?

[Liriena]

Another update on the post-primaries state of affairs:

After yesterday's disastrous day for our financial sector, it looks like the entire economy is holding its breath while the American dollar continues to gravitate at around 60 Argentine pesos. Honda is just abandoning car manufacturing in the country altogether, the flour milling industry is not supplying our bread industry with any flour until they can set prices, the fuel industry is holding its breath, real estate is paralysed and they're already forecasting 50% annual inflation.

Also, the government is now seeking a loan from the Federal Reserve of 20 billion dollars to cover for the devaluation.

And Macri's tactic of blaming Fernandez and his voters for everything has, predictably, backfired. Everyone is even more pissed at him, media both foreign and domestic is calling him out on his bullshit, and Fernández has not taken the bait.

60 pesos, WTF?

When Macri took power it was about 12 on the black market, right?

Yuuuup. The peso lost a lot of value under Macri. Almost makes you yearn for the currency controls under Cristina Fernández, even though it was those currency controls that led to the growth of the black market in the first place.

[Neko-koku]

60 pesos, WTF?

When Macri took power it was about 12 on the black market, right?

Yuuuup. The peso lost a lot of value under Macri. Almost makes you yearn for the currency controls under Cristina Fernández, even though it was those currency controls that led to the growth of the black market in the first place.

Why the hell can Macri suck even more than Kirchners?! WTF is his finance minister doing?

Some of the fall is as a consequence of Macri likely to lose. However most are a consequence of Macri.

[Liriena]

Yuuuup. The peso lost a lot of value under Macri. Almost makes you yearn for the currency controls under Cristina Fernández, even though it was those currency controls that led to the growth of the black market in the first place.

Why the hell can Macri suck even more than Kirchners?!

I think that there are a lot of reasons, starting with him having a very neoliberal worldview. He placed his trust on foreign investors to come save our economy in exchange for him opening us up to the international market, pandering to the financial sector, weakening our own social and economic protections, and committing to austerity policies.

It also didn't help that his cabinet was mostly comprised of his friends from the private sector, all of whom were good at making money but not actually qualified to be running their respective fields.