Mosque worshipper, 65, takes down heavily armed gunman

[Neko-koku]

That's fine.

Which is why Estanglia’s post stands. Profit from killing has many faces. Some do it for money, others for twisted enjoyment.

Death penalty or life is for the former. Psych wards are for the latter.

[Neko-koku]

I write programs so I know that buying a video game or video game currencies for 35 bucks is irrational.

Great. Basically the entire world is irrational.

Hell, you’re paying for internet service and using that money to post on Nationstates.

Join us in the loony bin......... comrade.

I don't use the internet simply for NS. Paying for NS is of course irrational as hell..

[Galloism]

Great. Basically the entire world is irrational.

Hell, you’re paying for internet service and using that money to post on Nationstates.

Join us in the loony bin......... comrade.

I don't use the internet simply for NS. Paying for NS is of course irrational as hell..

But you’re spending money every second you sit here. Using electricity to post. Paying your provider for bandwidth. Consuming calories which cost money to acquire.

You’re spending money to post on Nationstates.

Irrationally.

[Neko-koku]

Reproduction is of course the most fucked up aspect of not only humanity but also all other organisms. If you exploit the fact that almost all people reproduce and aren't Homo economicus when reproduction is involved you can earn a lot of profits.

Do not ever underestimate how crazy humans can be when reproduction is involved lmao.

[Galloism]

Which is why Estanglia’s post stands. Profit from killing has many faces. Some do it for money, others for twisted enjoyment.

Death penalty or life is for the former. Psych wards are for the latter.

Killing isn’t irrational. The perp in the op might be irrational or not, I’m sure we’ll find out, but “all killers are irrational” just doesn’t hold water.

They often very rationally and purposefully understand what they are doing, and do it towards an end they want, whether monetary, personal, or political.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Which is why Estanglia’s post stands. Profit from killing has many faces. Some do it for money, others for twisted enjoyment.

Death penalty or life is for the former. Psych wards are for the latter.

I don’t disagree.

The perp in the OP, for example, is a good subject for what I’m referring to. He wanted to kill Muslims during Eid for his agenda. He hates them. Killing them is justified for his goal. And it satisfies him to do this because of his hate. Emotional profit.

Is he irrational? Yes. Does he deserve getting arrested and tried? Without a doubt. He was willing to kill to satisfy his urges (hate for Muslims).

[Nakena]

He might have been (self-)brainwashed. Its good that he has been stopped.

Also likely unhinged or maybe even insane with massive problems in his life and stuff, if had killed his stepsister then thats definetively a big pointer towards that.

[Blanjiland]

Good riddance to yet another abhorrent individual. Massive respect to those who stood up and stopped a potential tragedy, which would only make things worse for everyone.

[Cekoviu]

While we're on the subject, I just watched this video today and I think it's relevant. The origin of this kind of hatred isn't psychosis, but being lost. It's very possible that the exact same kind of thing happened to the perpetrator, and we need to address that problem rather than the result, as we have been.

[The South Falls]

While we're on the subject, I just watched this video today and I think it's relevant. The origin of this kind of hatred isn't psychosis, but being lost. It's very possible that the exact same kind of thing happened to the perpetrator, and we need to address that problem rather than the result, as we have been.

Nah, let's ban video games and barely regulate guns

[Cekoviu]

While we're on the subject, I just watched this video today and I think it's relevant. The origin of this kind of hatred isn't psychosis, but being lost. It's very possible that the exact same kind of thing happened to the perpetrator, and we need to address that problem rather than the result, as we have been.

Nah, let's ban video games and barely regulate guns

Come on, dude. The video is 20 minutes long and that's not what it says, so you obviously haven't watched it. The problem isn't guns (particularly in Norway), but the reasons that people would be vulnerable enough to be recruited into hate groups, just as he says.

[Rojava Free State]

Heroism of those who stand up to the alt right especially in cases like this. This thread is literally meant to spread awareness that no one will intimidated by the alt right.

But, Islamism is a far greater threat than the alt-right... I mean, the number of non-Muslims and LGBT people killed by Islamists by far outweighs what a couple of alt-right people have done.

A majority of American terror attacks originate from the far right actually according to the FBI. your chance of dying from an Islamist attack is minimal compared your chance of being caught in the middle of a gang fight, shot by a Nazi or taken out by an angry teenager in a trench coat of you live in America

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

While we're on the subject, I just watched this video today and I think it's relevant. The origin of this kind of hatred isn't psychosis, but being lost. It's very possible that the exact same kind of thing happened to the perpetrator, and we need to address that problem rather than the result, as we have been.

Nah, let's ban video games and barely regulate guns

Have you been listening to CA Republican McCarthy?

[Neko-koku]

But, Islamism is a far greater threat than the alt-right... I mean, the number of non-Muslims and LGBT people killed by Islamists by far outweighs what a couple of alt-right people have done.

A majority of American terror attacks originate from the far right actually according to the FBI. your chance of dying from an Islamist attack is minimal compared your chance of being caught in the middle of a gang fight, shot by a Nazi or taken out by an angry teenager in a trench coat of you live in America

Both are way less significant than urban violence

[Rojava Free State]

But, Islamism is a far greater threat than the alt-right... I mean, the number of non-Muslims and LGBT people killed by Islamists by far outweighs what a couple of alt-right people have done.

It’s not like Islamism has a couple decades on the alt-right as an ideology…

White supremacy has a huge kill streak throughout history. I don't know where people get this idea that Islamism has killed more people because millions of people have been slaughtered throughout the last few centuries by people who decided their European heritage made their lives more valuable than those of the victims

[Rojava Free State]

A majority of American terror attacks originate from the far right actually according to the FBI. your chance of dying from an Islamist attack is minimal compared your chance of being caught in the middle of a gang fight, shot by a Nazi or taken out by an angry teenager in a trench coat of you live in America

Both are way less significant than urban violence

Urban violence is the primary cause of murder in america. It isn't even all gang related. sometimes it just takes two guys to bump into each other at a Meijer on detroit's West side and it turns into a gun battle

[Gravlen]

He might have been (self-)brainwashed. Its good that he has been stopped.

Also likely unhinged or maybe even insane with massive problems in his life and stuff, if had killed his stepsister then thats definetively a big pointer towards that.

Evidence is suggesting he was (self-)radicalized while on the internet. Him posting on EndChan supports that idea, as does the various forum postings he made earlier which led to the police checking up on him a while back.

[Nakena]

Nah, let's ban video games and barely regulate guns

Come on, dude. The video is 20 minutes long and that's not what it says, so you obviously haven't watched it. The problem isn't guns (particularly in Norway), but the reasons that people would be vulnerable enough to be recruited into hate groups, just as he says.

It's a good video. However I think the preparator in question and other shooters are more the lone wolf kinds, not necessarily be even active in the alt-right.

The need of belonging and purpose thing is, independently from that, very true for many I think.

[Neko-koku]

Come on, dude. The video is 20 minutes long and that's not what it says, so you obviously haven't watched it. The problem isn't guns (particularly in Norway), but the reasons that people would be vulnerable enough to be recruited into hate groups, just as he says.

It's a good video. However I think the preparator in question and other shooters are more the lone wolf kinds, not necessarily be even active in the alt-right.

The need of belonging and purpose thing is, independently from that, very true for many I think.

There is almost no organized WN violence in the West.

[Neko-koku]

It’s not like Islamism has a couple decades on the alt-right as an ideology…

White supremacy has a huge kill streak throughout history. I don't know where people get this idea that Islamism has killed more people because millions of people have been slaughtered throughout the last few centuries by people who decided their European heritage made their lives more valuable than those of the victims

Most colonial violence did not happen because of any racial (or other) ideology lol.

[Neko-koku]

Come on, dude. The video is 20 minutes long and that's not what it says, so you obviously haven't watched it. The problem isn't guns (particularly in Norway), but the reasons that people would be vulnerable enough to be recruited into hate groups, just as he says.

It's a good video. However I think the preparator in question and other shooters are more the lone wolf kinds, not necessarily be even active in the alt-right.

The need of belonging and purpose thing is, independently from that, very true for many I think.

Mass shooters in America are generally crazies who would have stabbed tons of schoolchildren in China. That is, they are simply anti-human. If they had a button to exterminate humanity they would have gladly pressed it. They are Western Zhang Xianzhongs and should be treated as Zhang Xianzhongs.

[United States of Devonta]

While we're on the subject, I just watched this video today and I think it's relevant. The origin of this kind of hatred isn't psychosis, but being lost. It's very possible that the exact same kind of thing happened to the perpetrator, and we need to address that problem rather than the result, as we have been.

It's also worth noting that many former Nazis admit the violence against them only helps their cause and allows them to act as victims. Peaceful engagement and discussion is what converts allot of Nazis away from their abhorrent beliefs.

Just something Iv'e noted from watching things like these.

[Neko-koku]

While we're on the subject, I just watched this video today and I think it's relevant. The origin of this kind of hatred isn't psychosis, but being lost. It's very possible that the exact same kind of thing happened to the perpetrator, and we need to address that problem rather than the result, as we have been.

It's also worth noting that many former Nazis admit the violence against them only helps their cause and allows them to act as victims. Peaceful engagement and discussion is what converts allot of Nazis away from their abhorrent beliefs.

Just something Iv'e noted from watching things like these.

Uh..I think it is usually Zhang Xianzhongism aka Zhangism instead of Nazism or Islamism at work. It is just anti-human violence.

[Nakena]

It's a good video. However I think the preparator in question and other shooters are more the lone wolf kinds, not necessarily be even active in the alt-right.

The need of belonging and purpose thing is, independently from that, very true for many I think.

Mass shooters in America are generally crazies who would have stabbed tons of schoolchildren in China. That is, they are simply anti-human. If they had a button to exterminate humanity they would have gladly pressed it. They are Western Zhang Xianzhongs and should be treated as Zhang Xianzhongs.

Most of them are crazies indeed and it will likely turn out that the norwegian was one too.

While we're on the subject, I just watched this video today and I think it's relevant. The origin of this kind of hatred isn't psychosis, but being lost. It's very possible that the exact same kind of thing happened to the perpetrator, and we need to address that problem rather than the result, as we have been.

It's also worth noting that many former Nazis admit the violence against them only helps their cause and allows them to act as victims. Peaceful engagement and discussion is what converts allot of Nazis away from their abhorrent beliefs.

Just something Iv'e noted from watching things like these.

Its not the strategy the Bash-le-Fash Antifa has choosen though. Then again discussion and deprogramming only works with people who are willing in the first place to leave or quit the movement. People who ended up there somehow out of desparation (like the guy from the video, though thats an different era and place) or brainwashing.

True believers or intentionists are a different kind of beasts, however.

[The South Falls]

Nah, let's ban video games and barely regulate guns

Come on, dude. The video is 20 minutes long and that's not what it says, so you obviously haven't watched it. The problem isn't guns (particularly in Norway), but the reasons that people would be vulnerable enough to be recruited into hate groups, just as he says.

I didn't watch it, I made a joke.