Mosque worshipper, 65, takes down heavily armed gunman

[Neko-koku]

I can't profit from murdering people either.

Depends on the situation doesn’t it?

Most people are not in situations where murder is profitable.

[Estanglia]

That’s your only reason?

I can't profit from murdering people either.

It depends on how you intend to profit.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I can't profit from murdering people either.

It depends on how you intend to profit.

Professional hitmen profit quite well.

[Galloism]

Depends on the situation doesn’t it?

Most people are not in situations where murder is profitable.

True. But some are.

Some even make a career out of it.

[Neko-koku]

It depends on how you intend to profit.

Professional hitmen profit quite well.

How many people are professional hitmen? 0.001% of the population?

[Neko-koku]

Most people are not in situations where murder is profitable.

True. But some are.

Some even make a career out of it.

That's actually very rare. So it does make sense to say that murder is almost always indicative of some mental illness.

[Jolthig]

Okay, so? What's wrong with giving a personal opinion that has nothing to do with the rest of NSG? And what am I pretended? Now you're appealing to motive.

Bringing up a list of supposed fallacies while arguing won't save you from not answering the points I addressed. I consider it simply as a refusal on your part to answer my question, because in the end, that's honestly what most fallacies are, easy cards to pull. Ad hominem is perhaps the only one that works. Try pulling that one on me.

It's not about "saving". It's the fact that you have made several unfounded assumptions about my arguments that you have yet to prove. Like how you accuse me of pretending to look away from your arguments and the fact you refuse to admit you've done so. To demonstrate why I think your posts are red herrings and strawmans I will provide examples of such arguments and compare them to yours.

1.

Mother: It’s bedtime Jane

Jane: Mom, how do ants feed their babies?

Mother: Don’t know dear, close your eyes now.

Jane: But mama, do ant babies cry when they’re hungry?

Eid mubarak (Happy Eid [Celebration]) NSG, and it's definitely a blessed Eid indeed! I give kudos to this man from stopping another massacre! Alhamdulilah (All praise belongs to Allah), lives have been saved. This is definitely inspiring because it shows that no one will be intimated by the alt-right no matter what they do. Preserving life is the best thing in Islam and this is exactly what this brother did when tackling a hostile enemy. May Allah bless him for his courage. Amen.

Thank you for this nice bit of Islamic propaganda, now to quote one of the early posters of this thread: What are we supposed to discuss?

I've made a simple statement in my OP post about me as a Muslim making my own response as a Muslim would. You, however, called my post "Islamic propaganda" which doesn't address why my post is Islamic propaganda. My OP was simply me giving my own statement saying that it is inspiring to stop a massacre as self-defense is a thing in Islam. You said, it was propaganda without demonstrating why it is, but adding nonsense like, "What are we supposed to discuss?" Which btw is from a critic of Islam and why I don't differentiate you from him. My OP is pretty clear in of itself we can discuss anything related to that article and my OP in turn, was itself my opinion and statement. Your response to my response strengthens my view:

It's nice that another Christchurch was nipped in the bud and there aren't people who wished it wasn't stopped because Muslims?

"Islamic propaganda?"

In turn, your post is propaganda for its red herring nature.

Anyway. I gave the response to that poster of why I am bringing this thread up.

The OP reads like a communiqué from the Revolutionary Guards. It begs no question to which we could answer, or no subject which we could debate. Don't pretend otherwise, lmao.

"Don't pretend otherwise" which is also appeal to motive which is an unfounded accusation because there is nothing in my posts that indicate I am lying. I feel you are indirectly accusing me of taqiyya which is also an unfounded accusation put forward by hostile critics of Islam to falsely accuse them of hiding their true motives which is a fallacy in of itself.

Here's an example of appeal to motive:

2.

Salesman: This car gets better than average gas mileage and is one of the most reliable cars according to Consumer Reports.

Will: I doubt it—you obviously just want to sell me that car.

I will remind you again, this post by you is a form of appeal to motive:

The OP reads like a communiqué from the Revolutionary Guards. It begs no question to which we could answer, or no subject which we could debate. Don't pretend otherwise, lmao.

Thirdly strawman:

Ted: Biological evolution is both a theory and a fact.

Edwin: That is ridiculous! How can you possibly be absolutely certain that we evolved from pond scum!

Your post:

Eid mubarak (Happy Eid [Celebration]) NSG, and it's definitely a blessed Eid indeed! I give kudos to this man from stopping another massacre! Alhamdulilah (All praise belongs to Allah), lives have been saved. This is definitely inspiring because it shows that no one will be intimated by the alt-right no matter what they do. Preserving life is the best thing in Islam and this is exactly what this brother did when tackling a hostile enemy. May Allah bless him for his courage. Amen.

Thank you for this nice bit of Islamic propaganda, now to quote one of the early posters of this thread: What are we supposed to discuss?

You called it Islamic propaganda which is a complete exaggeration of my comments.

Now it is on you to demonstrate why I am wrong to say your posts are full of fallacies, and prove me with examples why I am in the wrong.

Object/Hate (given the context of your posts) = Same difference due to your hilarious strawman of my posts in the underlined. And your commentary of the OP was a horrible observation.

Confusing objection with hate shows a confusion on your part, since these two words imply different levels of rejection. Now, if you want to project on me your image of an evil Islam-hating alt-righter, whom you seem to have designed as enemy number one, then feel free to do so. None of my posts ever implied I am part of those people. I could be born in a Muslim family and, seeing the religion first-hand, distanced myself from it. You don't really imagine such a thing because you identify me with an easy target for whom you have already a prepared response.

Yeah, you didn't say so for the examples you provided in this quote, yet, you've said the below:

Eid mubarak (Happy Eid [Celebration]) NSG, and it's definitely a blessed Eid indeed! I give kudos to this man from stopping another massacre! Alhamdulilah (All praise belongs to Allah), lives have been saved. This is definitely inspiring because it shows that no one will be intimated by the alt-right no matter what they do. Preserving life is the best thing in Islam and this is exactly what this brother did when tackling a hostile enemy. May Allah bless him for his courage. Amen.

Thank you for this nice bit of Islamic propaganda, now to quote one of the early posters of this thread: What are we supposed to discuss?

You may not have indicated that you hate islam by saying so but the above shows otherwise. Calling my post "Islamic propaganda" is pretty broad.

I'm entirely convinced I was wrong now

Me too.

[Estanglia]

It depends on how you intend to profit.

Professional hitmen profit quite well.

Leaders of drug cartels (and pretty much every other illegal business) would also profit nicely from the elimination of their competition and those who pose a threat to their business.

[United States of Devonta]

And claiming everything is "Islamic propaganda".

I never did so...The first occurrence of such a claim was on this very thread when I read the obviously very biased OP which asked no question and didn't properly open the debate. That wasn't grasping at straws or whining; simply an observation which seems to have deeply flustered you.

Now, I agree that pursuing this debate would be pointless given the way it's headed, especially since it's straying far away from my original point.

Do you really need the OP to hold your hand and lead you to debate?

Trust me, the thread ended up quite fine. And robust debate has happened.

I'm not sure how long you've been here, but, If the OP wasn't clear enough, a moderator usually comes and asks them to elaborate. Obviously that didn't happen. And you didn't have to dog whistle to make your point. Even if it was wrong.

[Galloism]

True. But some are.

Some even make a career out of it.

That's actually very rare. So it does make sense to say that murder is almost always indicative of some mental illness.

There’s also drug dealing, with a rival dealer horning I’m on your turf cutting into your profits.

[Washington Resistance Army]

40% of murders go unsolved each year.

So what? That's 60% solved. Are you going to murder someone? I'm not because I don't want to go to fucking prison.

Maybe I already have, the chances are pretty much 50-50 that I'd either get caught or get away with it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Professional hitmen profit quite well.

Leaders of drug cartels (and pretty much every other illegal business) would also profit nicely from the elimination of their competition and those who pose a threat to their business.

Yep. Also, on the topic of profit, as you pointed, that depends. There’s such a thing as emotional profit.

[Neko-koku]

Professional hitmen profit quite well.

Leaders of drug cartels (and pretty much every other illegal business) would also profit nicely from the elimination of their competition and those who pose a threat to their business.

Yes but they are actually very rare in a society. Most people aren't drug cartel bosses.

[Otira]

So Happy Eid Mubarak is just redundant?

Yeah because if you say that to an Arab man, they'll think you're overdoing it. It's like how I did it in TET, I simply said, "Happy Eid" since "mubarak" means "happy" in this context.

On the topic of the holiday being celebrated, do you still sacrifice animals for the holiday or is that like an outdated thing?

[Neko-koku]

Leaders of drug cartels (and pretty much every other illegal business) would also profit nicely from the elimination of their competition and those who pose a threat to their business.

Yep. Also, on the topic of profit, as you pointed, that depends. There’s such a thing as emotional profit.

I don't believe that such a thing exists.

[Kowani]

Leaders of drug cartels (and pretty much every other illegal business) would also profit nicely from the elimination of their competition and those who pose a threat to their business.

Yes but they are actually very rare in a society. Most people aren't drug cartel bosses.

What is-organized crime?

[Neko-koku]

Yeah because if you say that to an Arab man, they'll think you're overdoing it. It's like how I did it in TET, I simply said, "Happy Eid" since "mubarak" means "happy" in this context.

On the topic of the holiday being celebrated, do you still sacrifice animals for the holiday or is that like an outdated thing?

I'm also interested.

[Estanglia]

True. But some are.

Some even make a career out of it.

That's actually very rare. So it does make sense to say that murder is almost always indicative of some mental illness.

There are other potential cases where mental illness may not have played a part.

Some gang crime, where people are pressured into killing to either become a gang member or for respect, for example.
Or killing somebody who wronged you or someone else you know in a horrific way.

[Galloism]

Yep. Also, on the topic of profit, as you pointed, that depends. There’s such a thing as emotional profit.

I don't believe that such a thing exists.

Why do people pay for hookers?

[Cekoviu]

Yep. Also, on the topic of profit, as you pointed, that depends. There’s such a thing as emotional profit.

I don't believe that such a thing exists.

When you complete a goal of yours, you're happy, right? That feeling of joy is emotional profit.

[Neko-koku]

I don't believe that such a thing exists.

When you complete a goal of yours, you're happy, right? That feeling of joy is emotional profit.

I will never fight for mere joy.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yep. Also, on the topic of profit, as you pointed, that depends. There’s such a thing as emotional profit.

I don't believe that such a thing exists.

There is such a thing. There’re people who enjoy killing, and it’s not a monetary thing.

[Neko-koku]

I don't believe that such a thing exists.

There is such a thing. There’re people who enjoy killing, and it’s not a monetary thing.

That's by definition symptom of a mental illness. Maybe we can call it "sadism" or something.

[Cekoviu]

When you complete a goal of yours, you're happy, right? That feeling of joy is emotional profit.

I will never fight for mere joy.

Do you never work hard or risk something to achieve anything?

[Springfeal]

I don't believe that such a thing exists.

Why do people pay for hookers?

How did this turn into a conversation about hookers?