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Postby Luziyca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:14 pm

The South Falls wrote:
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That's about the most absurd thing I've seen in a while.

Precisely. It is absurd.

Exactly. If you ban one religion for extremism, you should ban all the others, since pretty much any religion has had extremists committing violence in the name of their religion.
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Postby Risastorstein » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:15 pm

Springfeal wrote:Christianity has largely been moderated by the New Testament and new liberal interpretations. Such a thing is not possible for Islam which is far less open to interpretation and far more overt in its advocacy of hate and violence.


Not sure if the main reason for the modern resurgence of radical Islamism is to be found in books, rather than culture or politics.

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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:15 pm

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Springfeal wrote:Christianity has largely been moderated by the New Testament and new liberal interpretations. Such a thing is not possible for Islam which is far less open to interpretation and far more overt in its advocacy of hate and violence.


Not sure if the main reason for the modern resurgence of radical Islamism is to be found in books, rather than culture or politics.


The main reason for Islamism is the same reason for WN, namely incel and poverty. If you look at the societies in the Middle East you can observe that they are full of incels partly as a consequence of legal polygyny.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:16 pm

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The South Falls wrote:Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.


Christianity has largely been moderated by the New Testament and new liberal interpretations. Such a thing is not possible for Islam which is far less open to interpretation and far more overt in its advocacy of hate and violence.

Most people subscribe to a watered down version of Islam.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:16 pm

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That's about the most absurd thing I've seen in a while.

Precisely. It is absurd.

Yes, it is. The IRA did not commit the crimes it did in the name of Christianity.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:16 pm

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Scomagia wrote:I bet it is lower than many pearlclutchers assert.


Read about the rising support for Alternative für Deutschland, which is very much following in the footsteps of the Nazi party.

If your movement adds like one person a month it is technically "rising in support". Color me utterly unconcerned with Nazis
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:17 pm

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Read about the rising support for Alternative für Deutschland, which is very much following in the footsteps of the Nazi party.

If your movement adds like one person a month it is technically "rising in support". Color me utterly unconcerned with Nazis


No, it’s not one person a month, Scomagia. This is a poll taken after the Chemnitz protest: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germ ... SKCN1LK1K2
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Postby Otira » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:18 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I bet it is lower than many pearlclutchers assert.


Read about the rising support for Alternative für Deutschland, which is very much following in the footsteps of the Nazi party.

I think that's a tad sensationalist.

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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:19 pm

I repeat. Islamist violence and WN violence are both predominantly caused by lower class young incels being lower class young incels.
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Postby Destriustan » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:19 pm

It must be embarrassing to be taken down by an elderly man when you've got two shotguns and a pistol.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:19 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Precisely. It is absurd.

Yes, it is. The IRA did not commit the crimes it did in the name of Christianity.

Ok, this is true. However some of their opponents (read violent Ulster loyalists) did. (when they weren't doing it out of loyalty to the UK solely.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:19 pm

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Scomagia wrote:If your movement adds like one person a month it is technically "rising in support". Color me utterly unconcerned with Nazis


No, it’s not one person a month, Scomagia. This is a poll taken after the Chemitz protest: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germ ... SKCN1LK1K2

I don't heed polls, Nana. They're far, far too easily manipulated both the pollsters and the polled. But I'll give this too you; they aren't without support.
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Postby Risastorstein » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:21 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Scomagia wrote:If your movement adds like one person a month it is technically "rising in support". Color me utterly unconcerned with Nazis


No, it’s not one person a month, Scomagia. This is a poll taken after the Chemnitz protest: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germ ... SKCN1LK1K2

The election they speak about was a year ago. AfD only got 10% of the vote.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:21 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
No, it’s not one person a month, Scomagia. This is a poll taken after the Chemitz protest: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germ ... SKCN1LK1K2

I don't heed polls, Nana. They're far, far too easily manipulated both the pollsters and the polled. But I'll give this too you; they aren't without support.


My point is that it is very naive to think that just by banning an ideology or a religion you eliminate it. You just force it underground where it most certainly keeps gaining adherents.
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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:22 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/ ... sm.comment

Most people aren't that ideological. So "ideology" is probably a socially semi-acceptable cover of incels revenging against humanity which is socially completely unacceptable.
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Postby National Yorkshire » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:23 pm

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Postby Otira » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:23 pm

Neko-koku wrote:I repeat. Islamist violence and WN violence are both predominantly caused by lower class young incels being lower class young incels.

It has to be more complicated than that. For example, in the United States large segments of their black population are extremely lower class and have higher rates of murder and violence, but they don't commit organized political massacres like Islamists and WN. What's the difference? Or are their murderers not incels like the Islamists and WNs and it all comes down to sex for them?
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:24 pm

The South Falls wrote:
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That's about the most absurd thing I've seen in a while.

Precisely. It is absurd.


No, I mean associating Christianity as a whole so close with the IRA.

The IRA is a regional, ethnic terrorist group. Outside of Northern Ireland you're not going to have any problem with them these days, and besides, even if you try to take away their religion the ethnicity and historical injustices that their group is based on still remains.

It's honestly just stupid to try to make the IRA out to be a general religious terrorist group the same as Al-Qaeda or ISIS is. Hell, they don't even demand conversions they just want Northern Ireland to be apart of Ireland. I imagine if the Protestants in NI also wanted unification with Ireland rather than being Unionist (putting aside the historical grievances), they probably wouldn't be in conflict with them.
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:24 pm

Risastorstein wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
No, it’s not one person a month, Scomagia. This is a poll taken after the Chemnitz protest: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germ ... SKCN1LK1K2

The election they speak about was a year ago. AfD only got 10% of the vote.

That is still alot of people.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:24 pm

Otira wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:I repeat. Islamist violence and WN violence are both predominantly caused by lower class young incels being lower class young incels.

It has to be more complicated than that. For example, in the United States large segments of their black population are extremely lower class and half higher rates of murder and violence, but they don't commit organized political massacres like Islamists and WN. What's the difference? Or are their murderers not incels like the Islamists and WNs and it all comes down to sex for them?


Because it’s simplistic. It’s not inceldom. Like you said, it’s more complex than.
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Postby Destriustan » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:24 pm

Otira wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:I repeat. Islamist violence and WN violence are both predominantly caused by lower class young incels being lower class young incels.

It has to be more complicated than that. For example, in the United States large segments of their black population are extremely lower class and half higher rates of murder and violence, but they don't commit organized political massacres like Islamists and WN. What's the difference? Or are their murderers not incels like the Islamists and WNs and it all comes down to sex for them?

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Postby Otira » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:24 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Precisely. It is absurd.

Yes, it is. The IRA did not commit the crimes it did in the name of Christianity.

Some people can't understand the conflict outside of scapegoating religions.

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Postby Jolthig » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:26 pm

Springfeal wrote:
Gormwood wrote:And that is the exact mindset that resulted in Christchurch.


I am not a Muslim nor a Nazi. I don't advocate killing people based on their beliefs. But, I do believe that dangerous ideologies should be banned or at least face heavy restrictions.

My friend, you are completely mistaken on your views on Islam. I will demonstrate this to be the case why your hate is unfounded and it completely exaggerates what Islam is. Just note my only goal is to tell the truth. Not to change your mind which is up to you really because we will most likely retain our views unless if something happens. I will prepare a large scale response compiled from various sources.
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Postby Risastorstein » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:26 pm

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:That is still alot of people.

Compared to the Front National in France or the Lega in Italy, not really.
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