Mosque worshipper, 65, takes down heavily armed gunman

[Neko-koku]

Phobia by its Greek root, means "fear" yes, but I will say, I don't consider all critics of Islam as islamophobic. I have a Christian friend who criticizes islam a lot but I dont consider him an islamophobe because he's respectful about it and is willing to study how the science of Islamic history, narrations, and Quran works.

But if someone starts strawmanning me a lot, abusing Muhammad, or strawmanning islam and refusing to listen, basically disrespectful, that's when I consider them islamophobic.

I disagree with Islam but I respect their right to worship how they chose.

Same thing.

[Otira]

But, Islamism is a far greater threat than the alt-right... I mean, the number of non-Muslims and LGBT people killed by Islamists by far outweighs what a couple of alt-right people have done.

infact, more people are killed by the Alt-right, but radical Islamists carry out more attacks

Guess it depends on what you qualify as Alt-Right attackers?

Islamists killed 3000 people in the September 11th attacks, for example. Have Alt-Righters beaten that number in attacks?

[Neko-koku]

And that is the exact mindset that resulted in Christchurch.

I am not a Muslim nor a Nazi. I don't advocate killing people based on their beliefs. But, I do believe that dangerous ideologies should be banned or at least face heavy restrictions.

Who will enforce the ban? This is actually the most important issue here. Enforcers are likely to be authoritarians of some kind..You can't have nice hipsters or unarmed kind ladies arrest either Islamists or Nazis.

[Otira]

Isn't there some quote by Hitler about how he wished Germany had been Islamic?

Yeppo.

I'm quoting Wikipedia like a chump, but here it is:

According to Speer, Hitler wished that the Ottoman Empire had conquered Vienna in 1683: "The Mohammedan religion would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[199] Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying: "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers — already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing was Christianity ! — then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."

[Springfeal]

I am not a Muslim nor a Nazi. I don't advocate killing people based on their beliefs. But, I do believe that dangerous ideologies should be banned or at least face heavy restrictions.

Who will enforce the ban? This is actually the most important issue here. Enforcers are likely to be authoritarians of some kind..

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

[Ashkera]

Good. Church shootings are just a completely useless form of death that exist for nothing more than self-gratification.

I swear you guys could get a thread about a 6-year-old saving his family from demons and you guys would still find a reason to argue. Do you guys not have a life? a job? a hobby? For fuck sake.

Ah, but whose fault is it that the demons are there? Clearly, the lack of faith in-

[Neko-koku]

Who will enforce the ban? This is actually the most important issue here. Enforcers are likely to be authoritarians of some kind..

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

I know that in Germany there is a government agency that bans three totalitarian ideologies: Nazism, Communism and Islamism. It probably works to some extant because the German culture is still pretty authoritarian just like that of Japan..so if gov says "NO NAZISM, PLEBS!" people actually obey.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Who will enforce the ban? This is actually the most important issue here. Enforcers are likely to be authoritarians of some kind..

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

And yet, neo-Nazis exist there. Banning something doesn’t necessarily eliminate it. It sends it underground.

[Nova Cyberia]

I have contempt for their religion, yes. But I don't hate them all, and your insinuation that they're all Islamists says more about you and your contempt for them than it does about me.

That reacharound is going to pull a few muscles.

Not quite as much as your fervent hatred of Muslims will.

Such a shame.

[Neko-koku]

Good. Church shootings are just a completely useless form of death that exist for nothing more than self-gratification.

I swear you guys could get a thread about a 6-year-old saving his family from demons and you guys would still find a reason to argue. Do you guys not have a life? a job? a hobby? For fuck sake.

Ah, but whose fault is it that the demons are there? Clearly, the lack of faith in-

It is a form of barbarism. That's actually how barbarians become feared. They commit disproportionate and random violence that makes no sense whatsoever from a rational POV. This causes fellahin to avoid them like a plague.

[Scomagia]

That reacharound is going to pull a few muscles.

Not quite as much as your fervent hatred of Muslims will.

Such a shame.

Let it go, dude.

[Neko-koku]

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

And yet, neo-Nazis exist there. Banning something doesn’t necessarily eliminate it. It sends it underground.

Well, the main issue is about the percentage of people who are Nazi. It is indeed not very high.

[The South Falls]

Who will enforce the ban? This is actually the most important issue here. Enforcers are likely to be authoritarians of some kind..

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.

[Scomagia]

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.

Banning either would necessitate armed revolution, actually.

[Kaltovar]

Fuck yeah Grandpa, good job!

[Salus Maior]

Well done, old timer.

[Springfeal]

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.

Christianity has largely been moderated by the New Testament and new liberal interpretations. Such a thing is not possible for Islam which is far less open to interpretation and far more overt in its advocacy of hate and violence.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And yet, neo-Nazis exist there. Banning something doesn’t necessarily eliminate it. It sends it underground.

Well, the main issue is about the percentage of people who are Nazi. It is indeed not very high.

Not as low as you think.

[The South Falls]

Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.

Banning either would necessitate armed revolution, actually.

Precisely.

[Otira]

Not necessarily. Nazism is effectively banned in Germany.

Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.

I didn't think anyone still believed the IRA's struggle was actually theological.

[Neko-koku]

You can't ban Islam without an insane amount of native authoritarianism though. That's not worth it.

[Salus Maior]

Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.

That's about the most absurd thing I've seen in a while.

[Scomagia]

Well, the main issue is about the percentage of people who are Nazi. It is indeed not very high.

Not as low as you think.

I bet it is lower than many pearlclutchers assert.

[The South Falls]

Banning Islam for the jihad terrorists would then necessitate banning Christianity for the IRA.

That's about the most absurd thing I've seen in a while.

Precisely. It is absurd.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not as low as you think.

I bet it is lower than many pearlclutchers assert.

Read about the rising support for Alternative für Deutschland, which is very much following in the footsteps of the Nazi party.