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Postby The South Falls » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:49 am

Springfeal wrote:Islamophobia is such a stupid word. I am not scared of Muslims. I just despise their hateful ideology in the same way I despise Nazism.

Then you hate hardcore fundamentalists, not the entire religion
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:49 am

Neko-koku wrote:As I said before, White Nationalism and Islam are the strongest forces on this planet today.

Only in North America and Europe do you get white nationalists.
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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:50 am

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Neko-koku wrote:As I said before, White Nationalism and Islam are the strongest forces on this planet today.

Only in North America and Europe.

Also the Middle East. My point is that they are more violent than other forces.
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Postby Xmara » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:50 am

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The far-right needs to learn that nobody is going to take their crap any longer. Congrats, guy who took down the gunman!

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Don’t know what you’re getting at, but I oppose authoritarianism in all forms, and I believe people ought to have the right to attend their house of worship of choice without fear of getting gunned down, even if I personally don’t agree with their religious beliefs.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:50 am

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Scomagia wrote:Maybe because that was attacking the substance of your post, not you as a poster.

Why do you assume all Muslims are Islamists? That's pretty Islamaphobic of you.

Keep bullshitting. You might get a job offer from the Trump White House or FOXNews.

Well yeah, dude. Who is he going to be addressing, if not you? He didn't search your posts outside of this thread for snarky attacks. He addressed your post and the implications therein.

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Postby Jolthig » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:51 am

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Jolthig wrote:Not really because phobia can also mean hatred towards something which I find quite illogical which is why I think it is rightfully applied.

Although I tend to use that word carefully based off peoples conduct. It depends on how you go at Islam whether or not I will consider you adhering to islamophobia.

But if you feel from an intellectual level why Islam is bad, I happily sit down with you and go over and verses and hadith with you in idt.

Adding "phobia" to the end of a word is really just a language game. It's an easy way to call someone irrational without having to address their ideas.

Anti-Islam is much more straightforward.

Phobia by its Greek root, means "fear" yes, but I will say, I don't consider all critics of Islam as islamophobic. I have a Christian friend who criticizes islam a lot but I dont consider him an islamophobe because he's respectful about it and is willing to study how the science of Islamic history, narrations, and Quran works.

But if someone starts strawmanning me a lot, abusing Muhammad, or strawmanning islam and refusing to listen, basically disrespectful, that's when I consider them islamophobic.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:51 am

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Nova Cyberia wrote:I don't know what lazily searching the word "Muslim" through my post history actually proves. What's up, Gauth? Couldn't find a single post to nail me with?

People who take the time to read through the history will understand you have nothing but contempt for Muslims so this whole Islamaphobia shtick of yours is disingenuous virtue signalling. But if it gives you a nice jizz more power to you.

I have contempt for their religion, yes. But I don't hate them all, and your insinuation that they're all Islamists says more about you and your contempt for them than it does about me.
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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:52 am

Xmara wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Authoritarian vs Authoritarian

Don’t know what you’re getting at, but I oppose authoritarianism in all forms, and I believe people ought to have the right to attend their house of worship of choice without fear of getting gunned down, even if I personally don’t agree with their religious beliefs.


I also oppose authoritarianism in all forms. However in practice it is usually authoritarians who fight against competing authoritarians. You don't see Silicon Valley hipsters gunning down either white far-rightists or Middle Eastern far-rightists (commonly known as "Islamists").
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:53 am

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Pere Housh Alpha wrote:Only in North America and Europe.

Also the Middle East. My point is that they are more violent than other forces.

Didn't know there were white nationalists in the Middle East.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:53 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:People who take the time to read through the history will understand you have nothing but contempt for Muslims so this whole Islamaphobia shtick of yours is disingenuous virtue signalling. But if it gives you a nice jizz more power to you.

I have contempt for their religion, yes. But I don't hate them all, and your insinuation that they're all Islamists says more about you and your contempt for them than it does about me.

That reacharound is going to pull a few muscles.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:53 am

Congratulations to Rafiq for taking down that wanker who attempted to shoot up a mosque, and for preventing it from becoming a tragedy like in Christchurch.
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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:54 am

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Also the Middle East. My point is that they are more violent than other forces.

Didn't know there were white nationalists in the Middle East.

Sure. I meant in general which forces are strong.

Sikh nationalism is also an important force though it is mostly only relevant to Pakistan and India.

At least historically not having any strong force in a society is itself a serious problem which I'm sure you have seen in our forum game where thugs could cause cannibalism and wantonly destroy property. What I wrote in the RP is based on real events in China (minus the international terrorism). In a modern society I'm not sure.
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Postby Otira » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:56 am

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Neko-koku wrote:As I said before, White Nationalism and Islam are the strongest forces on this planet today.

Imagine. White Nationalist Muslims.

Isn't there some quote by Hitler about how he wished Germany had been Islamic?

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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:57 am

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Springfeal wrote:Islamophobia is such a stupid word. I am not scared of Muslims. I just despise their hateful ideology in the same way I despise Nazism.

Not really because phobia can also mean hatred towards something which I find quite illogical which is why I think it is rightfully applied.

Although I tend to use that word carefully based off peoples conduct. It depends on how you go at Islam whether or not I will consider you adhering to islamophobia.

But if you feel from an intellectual level why Islam is bad, I happily sit down with you and go over and verses and hadith with you in idt.


Yeah yeah the IDT is a joke thread with joke Islamic responses. Face it, Islam is nothing more than a evil ideology/cult made by a pedophilic warlord. Sura 4 says that women are worth only half as much as men, that women aren't allowed to say no to their husbands (Islamic rape), and that men can beat their wives. Sura 9 outright commands Muslims to kill infidels wherever they may find them.

Any peaceful/tolerance stuff was written when Muhammad and his cult were just a fringe group that wouldn't stand a chance in a war. The minute they became powerful enough, Muhammad showed his true colors as the violent psychopath he is. And you want hadith? Yeah that is all just more hate and bullshit too. Killing apostates, LGBT people, women that don't submit to their husbands, Islamic slavery, raping female slaves, marrying 6 year olds, killing dogs because they are unclean, etc. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Nazism.

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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:57 am

Otira wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Imagine. White Nationalist Muslims.

Isn't there some quote by Hitler about how he wished Germany had been Islamic?

Yeppo.
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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:58 am

Springfeal wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Not really because phobia can also mean hatred towards something which I find quite illogical which is why I think it is rightfully applied.

Although I tend to use that word carefully based off peoples conduct. It depends on how you go at Islam whether or not I will consider you adhering to islamophobia.

But if you feel from an intellectual level why Islam is bad, I happily sit down with you and go over and verses and hadith with you in idt.


Yeah yeah the IDT is a joke thread with joke Islamic responses. Face it, Islam is nothing more than a evil ideology/cult made by a pedophilic warlord. Sura 4 says that women are worth only half as much as men, that women aren't allowed to say no to their husbands (Islamic rape), and that men can beat their wives. Sura 9 outright commands Muslims to kill infidels wherever they may find them.

Any peaceful/tolerance stuff was written when Muhammad and his cult were just a fringe group that wouldn't stand a chance in a war. The minute they became powerful enough, Muhammad showed his true colors as the violent psychopath he is. And you want hadith? Yeah that is all just more hate and bullshit too. Killing apostates, LGBT people, women that don't submit to their husbands, Islamic slavery, raping female slaves, marrying 6 year olds, killing dogs because they are unclean, etc. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Nazism.


Translation: Islam severely violates liberal ethics, hence it is evil.

The problem with your approach is that non-Muslims are likely to hate Islam out of tribalism alone, not liberal ethics, while Muslims do not tend to understand liberal ethics. Moreover....Muhammad was pre-liberalism so your application of liberal ethics to Muhammad is as weird as Christians applying Christian ethics of anti-polytheism to pre-Christian and non-Christian people.
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:58 am

Springfeal wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Not really because phobia can also mean hatred towards something which I find quite illogical which is why I think it is rightfully applied.

Although I tend to use that word carefully based off peoples conduct. It depends on how you go at Islam whether or not I will consider you adhering to islamophobia.

But if you feel from an intellectual level why Islam is bad, I happily sit down with you and go over and verses and hadith with you in idt.


Yeah yeah the IDT is a joke thread with joke Islamic responses. Face it, Islam is nothing more than a evil ideology/cult made by a pedophilic warlord. Sura 4 says that women are worth only half as much as men, that women aren't allowed to say no to their husbands (Islamic rape), and that men can beat their wives. Sura 9 outright commands Muslims to kill infidels wherever they may find them.

Any peaceful/tolerance stuff was written when Muhammad and his cult were just a fringe group that wouldn't stand a chance in a war. The minute they became powerful enough, Muhammad showed his true colors as the violent psychopath he is. And you want hadith? Yeah that is all just more hate and bullshit too. Killing apostates, LGBT people, women that don't submit to their husbands, Islamic slavery, raping female slaves, marrying 6 year olds, killing dogs because they are unclean, etc. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Nazism.

I will answer this when I get home in IDT. Regardless if it's a joke to you or not.
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Postby Pere Housh Alpha » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:58 am

Jolthig wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Adding "phobia" to the end of a word is really just a language game. It's an easy way to call someone irrational without having to address their ideas.

Anti-Islam is much more straightforward.

Phobia by its Greek root, means "fear" yes, but I will say, I don't consider all critics of Islam as islamophobic. I have a Christian friend who criticizes islam a lot but I dont consider him an islamophobe because he's respectful about it and is willing to study how the science of Islamic history, narrations, and Quran works.

But if someone starts strawmanning me a lot, abusing Muhammad, or strawmanning islam and refusing to listen, basically disrespectful, that's when I consider them islamophobic.

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Postby Risastorstein » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:59 am

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Postby Gormwood » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:59 am

Springfeal wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Not really because phobia can also mean hatred towards something which I find quite illogical which is why I think it is rightfully applied.

Although I tend to use that word carefully based off peoples conduct. It depends on how you go at Islam whether or not I will consider you adhering to islamophobia.

But if you feel from an intellectual level why Islam is bad, I happily sit down with you and go over and verses and hadith with you in idt.


Yeah yeah the IDT is a joke thread with joke Islamic responses. Face it, Islam is nothing more than a evil ideology/cult made by a pedophilic warlord. Sura 4 says that women are worth only half as much as men, that women aren't allowed to say no to their husbands (Islamic rape), and that men can beat their wives. Sura 9 outright commands Muslims to kill infidels wherever they may find them.

Any peaceful/tolerance stuff was written when Muhammad and his cult were just a fringe group that wouldn't stand a chance in a war. The minute they became powerful enough, Muhammad showed his true colors as the violent psychopath he is. And you want hadith? Yeah that is all just more hate and bullshit too. Killing apostates, LGBT people, women that don't submit to their husbands, Islamic slavery, raping female slaves, marrying 6 year olds, killing dogs because they are unclean, etc. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Nazism.

And that is the exact mindset that resulted in Christchurch.
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Postby Alta Californians » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:00 pm

Springfeal wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Heroism of those who stand up to the alt right especially in cases like this. This thread is literally meant to spread awareness that no one will intimidated by the alt right.


But, Islamism is a far greater threat than the alt-right... I mean, the number of non-Muslims and LGBT people killed by Islamists by far outweighs what a couple of alt-right people have done.

infact, more people are killed by the Alt-right, but radical Islamists carry out more attacks

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Postby Neko-koku » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:01 pm

Alta Californians wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
But, Islamism is a far greater threat than the alt-right... I mean, the number of non-Muslims and LGBT people killed by Islamists by far outweighs what a couple of alt-right people have done.

infact, more people are killed by the Alt-right, but radical Islamists carry out more attacks


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Postby Springfeal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:01 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Springfeal wrote:
Yeah yeah the IDT is a joke thread with joke Islamic responses. Face it, Islam is nothing more than a evil ideology/cult made by a pedophilic warlord. Sura 4 says that women are worth only half as much as men, that women aren't allowed to say no to their husbands (Islamic rape), and that men can beat their wives. Sura 9 outright commands Muslims to kill infidels wherever they may find them.

Any peaceful/tolerance stuff was written when Muhammad and his cult were just a fringe group that wouldn't stand a chance in a war. The minute they became powerful enough, Muhammad showed his true colors as the violent psychopath he is. And you want hadith? Yeah that is all just more hate and bullshit too. Killing apostates, LGBT people, women that don't submit to their husbands, Islamic slavery, raping female slaves, marrying 6 year olds, killing dogs because they are unclean, etc. Islam is just as bad if not worse than Nazism.

And that is the exact mindset that resulted in Christchurch.


I am not a Muslim nor a Nazi. I don't advocate killing people based on their beliefs. But, I do believe that dangerous ideologies should be banned or at least face heavy restrictions.

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Postby Risastorstein » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:01 pm

Alta Californians wrote: infact, more people are killed by the Alt-right, but radical Islamists carry out more attacks

Depends on the country but I'm pretty sure that worldwide Islamists win the medal.

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