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Hitler (11,000,000 victims)
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Stalin (23,000,000 to 40,000,000 victims)
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Mao (30,000,000 to 70,000,000 victims)
109
37%
 
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:54 am

Marquisal wrote:Uncle Adolf did not kill them it was all ideas of Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, when instead in Soviet Russia it was Stalin's idea the pollitical repression and gulags, as well as what happened with Mao Tse Tung in China.

It was not Adolf's fault...


Imagine thinking the guy who wrote Mein Kampf didn't actually order the genocide of millions of people.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:55 am

Marquisal wrote:Uncle Adolf did not kill them it was all ideas of Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, when instead in Soviet Russia it was Stalin's idea the pollitical repression and gulags, as well as what happened with Mao Tse Tung in China.

It was not Adolf's fault...

That’s some powerful propaganda right there.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:58 am

Marquisal wrote:Uncle Adolf did not kill them it was all ideas of Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, when instead in Soviet Russia it was Stalin's idea the pollitical repression and gulags, as well as what happened with Mao Tse Tung in China.

It was not Adolf's fault...

He was a dictator, so I doubt he didn't know what was going on.

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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:58 am

Kowani wrote:
Marquisal wrote:Uncle Adolf did not kill them it was all ideas of Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, when instead in Soviet Russia it was Stalin's idea the pollitical repression and gulags, as well as what happened with Mao Tse Tung in China.

It was not Adolf's fault...

That’s some powerful propaganda right there.


It's not propaganda, actualli it's history. The dude who started the concentration camps was Herman Goering, and the one who ruled them was Heinrich Himmler. Even if you investigate on documents from the SS, you will never see anything related to Adolf and the concentration camps.
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Postby Das Neues Grossdeutschland » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:00 am

I just can't contemplate how a thread created by such a retard could spark so much discussion. I mean, seriously, whoever unironically says that Stalin killed 20 gorillion (or even somehow more), should have his opinion on the matter completely discarded and himself get ignored.

Anyways, under Stalin only 600k got executed, and like another million died in labor camps and in deportation. Even if you blame all the deaths of the famine of 32-33 (which is absolutely stupid), the number of his "victims" won't exceed 10 millions.

Long story short, OP should fuck off and die.

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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:00 am

Marquisal wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s some powerful propaganda right there.


It's not propaganda, actualli it's history. The dude who started the concentration camps was Herman Goering, and the one who ruled them was Heinrich Himmler. Even if you investigate on documents from the SS, you will never see anything related to Adolf and the concentration camps.

Ah, and Hitler was the one who didn’t shut them down. Ok, that absolves him of all of his perceived crimes.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:01 am

Marquisal wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s some powerful propaganda right there.


It's not propaganda, actualli it's history. The dude who started the concentration camps was Herman Goering, and the one who ruled them was Heinrich Himmler. Even if you investigate on documents from the SS, you will never see anything related to Adolf and the concentration camps.

People can communicate with the dictator (Hitler) without using documents. Just because it wasn't recorded does not mean he didn't know.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:02 am

Marquisal wrote:Uncle Adolf did not kill them it was all ideas of Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, when instead in Soviet Russia it was Stalin's idea the pollitical repression and gulags, as well as what happened with Mao Tse Tung in China.

It was not Adolf's fault...

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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:02 am

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
It's not propaganda, actualli it's history. The dude who started the concentration camps was Herman Goering, and the one who ruled them was Heinrich Himmler. Even if you investigate on documents from the SS, you will never see anything related to Adolf and the concentration camps.

Ah, and Hitler was the one who didn’t shut them down. Ok, that absolves him of all of his perceived crimes.


I am not saying that, I am saying that he was not the one who killed 6 million people.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:02 am

Das Neues Grossdeutschland wrote:I just can't contemplate how a thread created by such a retard could spark so much discussion. I mean, seriously, whoever unironically says that Stalin killed 20 gorillion (or even somehow more), should have his opinion on the matter completely discarded and himself get ignored.

Anyways, under Stalin only 600k got executed, and like another million died in labor camps and in deportation. Even if you blame all the deaths of the famine of 32-33 (which is absolutely stupid), the number of his "victims" won't exceed 10 millions.

Long story short, OP should fuck off and die.

Wow, what a meaningful and productive addition to the discussion! What other people productive things do you have to say?
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:03 am

Marquisal wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Ah, and Hitler was the one who didn’t shut them down. Ok, that absolves him of all of his perceived crimes.


I am not saying that, I am saying that he was not the one who killed 6 million people.

He was the one that ordered the killing of 6 million people. Indirect murder is STILL murder.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:04 am

Marquisal wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Ah, and Hitler was the one who didn’t shut them down. Ok, that absolves him of all of his perceived crimes.


I am not saying that, I am saying that he was not the one who killed 6 million people.

Yeah, he had help obviously.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:04 am

Marquisal wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s some powerful propaganda right there.


It's not propaganda, actualli it's history. The dude who started the concentration camps was Herman Goering, and the one who ruled them was Heinrich Himmler. Even if you investigate on documents from the SS, you will never see anything related to Adolf and the concentration camps.


That's some epic propaganda you've got going on there. I wonder how the guy who wrote Mein Kampf, describing in detail his hatred for the Jews, and outright said, "we are going to destroy the Jews. They are not going to get away with what they did on 9 November 1918. The day of reckoning has come," has no connection to the Holocaust?
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:05 am

Hideki Tojo was pretty despicable too.
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:05 am

Torrocca wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
It's not propaganda, actualli it's history. The dude who started the concentration camps was Herman Goering, and the one who ruled them was Heinrich Himmler. Even if you investigate on documents from the SS, you will never see anything related to Adolf and the concentration camps.


That's some epic propaganda you've got going on there. I wonder how the guy who wrote Mein Kampf, describing in detail his hatred for the Jews, and outright said, "we are going to destroy the Jews. They are not going to get away with what they did on 9 November 1918. The day of reckoning has come," has no connection to the Holocaust?


I am not saying that...
I'm saying that the people responsible for the Holocaust were Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, not Uncle Adolf...
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 am

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
I am not saying that, I am saying that he was not the one who killed 6 million people.

He was the one that ordered the killing of 6 million people. Indirect murder is STILL murder.


He never ordered that, the orders were from Herman Goering...
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 am

Marquisal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's some epic propaganda you've got going on there. I wonder how the guy who wrote Mein Kampf, describing in detail his hatred for the Jews, and outright said, "we are going to destroy the Jews. They are not going to get away with what they did on 9 November 1918. The day of reckoning has come," has no connection to the Holocaust?


I am not saying that...
I'm saying that the people responsible for the Holocaust were Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, not Uncle Adolf...

Why do you call him “Uncle Adolf”
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:07 am

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
I am not saying that...
I'm saying that the people responsible for the Holocaust were Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, not Uncle Adolf...

Why do you call him “Uncle Adolf”


He resembles a familiar of me :)
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:07 am

Marquisal wrote:
Pacomia wrote:He was the one that ordered the killing of 6 million people. Indirect murder is STILL murder.


He never ordered that, the orders were from Herman Goering...

Who was one of his high officers and likely consulted with Hitler several times before opening the camps.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:08 am

Marquisal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's some epic propaganda you've got going on there. I wonder how the guy who wrote Mein Kampf, describing in detail his hatred for the Jews, and outright said, "we are going to destroy the Jews. They are not going to get away with what they did on 9 November 1918. The day of reckoning has come," has no connection to the Holocaust?


I am not saying that...
I'm saying that the people responsible for the Holocaust were Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, not Uncle Adolf...


Y'know, it's not every day that somebody tries to pull a "clean Hitler", but by God is it atrocious whenever it does happen.

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
I am not saying that...
I'm saying that the people responsible for the Holocaust were Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, not Uncle Adolf...

Why do you call him “Uncle Adolf”


Two reasons for that:

1. Na
2. Zi.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:08 am

Torrocca wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
I am not saying that...
I'm saying that the people responsible for the Holocaust were Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, not Uncle Adolf...


Y'know, it's not every day that somebody tries to pull a "clean Hitler", but by God is it atrocious whenever it does happen.

Pacomia wrote:Why do you call him “Uncle Adolf”


Two reasons for that:

1. Na
2. Zi.

I did Nazi that coming.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:09 am

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
He never ordered that, the orders were from Herman Goering...

Who was one of his high officers and likely consulted with Hitler several times before opening the camps.


It's totally just a coincidence that the first concentration camps opened up immediately after Hitler became the Chancellor of Germany, after all.
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:10 am

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
He never ordered that, the orders were from Herman Goering...

Who was one of his high officers and likely consulted with Hitler several times before opening the camps.


But still Adolf did not open/order/think on building the camps. He was under drug effects, you can not judge him that bad... His medic gave him cocaine for his illnesses related to stress... He was not himself at the end, it was the drugs what was making that horible decisions...
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:10 am

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Y'know, it's not every day that somebody tries to pull a "clean Hitler", but by God is it atrocious whenever it does happen.



Two reasons for that:

1. Na
2. Zi.

I did Nazi that coming.

I do Nazi why you didn’t.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:10 am

Pacomia wrote:
Das Neues Grossdeutschland wrote:I just can't contemplate how a thread created by such a retard could spark so much discussion. I mean, seriously, whoever unironically says that Stalin killed 20 gorillion (or even somehow more), should have his opinion on the matter completely discarded and himself get ignored.

Anyways, under Stalin only 600k got executed, and like another million died in labor camps and in deportation. Even if you blame all the deaths of the famine of 32-33 (which is absolutely stupid), the number of his "victims" won't exceed 10 millions.

Long story short, OP should fuck off and die.

Wow, what a meaningful and productive addition to the discussion! What other people productive things do you have to say?

Posts like that constitute flaming and should be reported. I just reported it.

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