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Hitler (11,000,000 victims)
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Stalin (23,000,000 to 40,000,000 victims)
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Mao (30,000,000 to 70,000,000 victims)
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:11 am

Torrocca wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
I am not saying that...
I'm saying that the people responsible for the Holocaust were Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler, not Uncle Adolf...


Y'know, it's not every day that somebody tries to pull a "clean Hitler", but by God is it atrocious whenever it does happen.

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Two reasons for that:

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:12 am

Marquisal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Y'know, it's not every day that somebody tries to pull a "clean Hitler", but by God is it atrocious whenever it does happen.



Two reasons for that:

1. Na
2. Zi.


I'm not cleaning the Adolf, I'm cleaning history.


Nah, you're lying about history to whitewash Hitler's orchestration of the many millions of crimes against humanity that the Nazi regime committed.
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Postby North German Realm » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:12 am

Torrocca wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Who was one of his high officers and likely consulted with Hitler several times before opening the camps.


It's totally just a coincidence that the first concentration camps opened up immediately after Hitler became the Chancellor of Germany, after all.

Honestly, even if we somehow assume that the Final Solution wasn't always the plan and was "forced on Germany" due to the war, The policy of Lebensraum was always the platform of Nazis, from the very start. How do these people perform apologia for fucking Hitler?
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Postby Das Neues Grossdeutschland » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:13 am

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:13 am

Marquisal wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Who was one of his high officers and likely consulted with Hitler several times before opening the camps.


But still Adolf did not open/order/think on building the camps.

He most definitely thought on it.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:13 am

North German Realm wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It's totally just a coincidence that the first concentration camps opened up immediately after Hitler became the Chancellor of Germany, after all.

Honestly, even if we somehow assume that the Final Solution wasn't always the plan and was "forced on Germany" due to the war, The policy of Lebensraum was always the platform of Nazis, from the very start. How do these people perform apologia for fucking Hitler?


Nazism that they support but won't actually admit to supporting. That's how.
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:16 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
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But still Adolf did not open/order/think on building the camps.

He most definitely thought on it.


Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:17 am

Marquisal wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He most definitely thought on it.


Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...

If I kill somebody while drunk-driving, nobody is going to blame the alcohol. Likewise, it's entirely Hitler's fault for killing millions.

And it's not "probably," it's "definitely."
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:18 am

Marquisal wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He most definitely thought on it.


Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...


Imagine unironically thinking that it's fucking sad for somebody to have been a monstrous human being who orchestrated the systematic genocide of 17 million people and ordered the deaths of millions more to accomplish the goals of Generalplan Ost.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:18 am

Marquisal wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He most definitely thought on it.


Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...

So we’re blaming the doctor now?
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:19 am

Torrocca wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...


Imagine unironically thinking that it's fucking sad for somebody to have been a monstrous human being who orchestrated the systematic genocide of 17 million people and ordered the deaths of millions more to accomplish the goals of Generalplan Ost.


It's sad that all of that happened.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:20 am

Kowani wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...

So we’re blaming the doctor now?


Hitler obviously didn't have any self-agency and was, therefore, a good boy who definitely didn't orchestrate the genocide and mass-murder of millions of people. :roll:
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Postby Estanglia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:20 am

Marquisal wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:He most definitely thought on it.


Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...


Cocaine must be one hell of a drug to give people the desire to murder the Jews, Slavs etc., become a dictator, condone the building of concentration camps to gas the Untermensch and start a deadly global war.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:20 am

Marquisal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Imagine unironically thinking that it's fucking sad for somebody to have been a monstrous human being who orchestrated the systematic genocide of 17 million people and ordered the deaths of millions more to accomplish the goals of Generalplan Ost.


It's sad that all of that happened.


So then stop denying Hitler's role in orchestrating it all.
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:20 am

Kowani wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
Probably, but under effects of drugs that his medic gave to him... How sad...

So we’re blaming the doctor now?


Not, entirely, it was mostly Goering's fault as he tried to make the Adolf follow him in his delurical dreams.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:22 am

Marquisal wrote:
Kowani wrote:So we’re blaming the doctor now?


Not, entirely, it was mostly Goering's fault as he tried to make the Adolf follow him in his delurical dreams.

It’s funny because Hitler was the one that was leading the Third Reich and people like Goering, Himmler, and Goebbels were his inferiors.
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:22 am

Torrocca wrote:
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It's sad that all of that happened.


So then stop denying Hitler's role in orchestrating it all.


You can not erase from history the horrible murderers that started all of this (Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler) I do not know why are you trying to hide them from beeing blamed by focusing only in Adolf, who was not the engineer of the Holocaust, but instead a part of it which was controlled by them.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:22 am

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
Not, entirely, it was mostly Goering's fault as he tried to make the Adolf follow him in his delurical dreams.

It’s funny because Hitler was the one that was leading the Third Reich and people like Goering, Himmler, and Goebbels were his inferiors.

Wait for him to tell us they were manipulating him.
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Postby Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:24 am

Marquisal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So then stop denying Hitler's role in orchestrating it all.


You can not erase from history the horrible murderers that started all of this (Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler) I do not know why are you trying to hide them from beeing blamed by focusing only in Adolf, who was not the engineer of the Holocaust, but instead a part of it which was controlled by them.

Oml, Hitler fucking allowed it to happen. If he did not like it he would of stop it, and he didn't.
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:24 am

Pacomia wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
Not, entirely, it was mostly Goering's fault as he tried to make the Adolf follow him in his delurical dreams.

It’s funny because Hitler was the one that was leading the Third Reich and people like Goering, Himmler, and Goebbels were his inferiors.


I do not see any fun in the way they controlled the Fuhrer to make him the responsible of the Holocaust that he did not start. They even tried to fake a jewish terrorist attack on Adolf to kill him and start new policyes harder with the jews...
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:24 am

Marquisal wrote:
Kowani wrote:So we’re blaming the doctor now?


Not, entirely, it was mostly Goering's fault as he tried to make the Adolf follow him in his delurical dreams.

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Postby Torrocca » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:25 am

Marquisal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So then stop denying Hitler's role in orchestrating it all.


You can not erase from history the horrible murderers that started all of this (Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler) I do not know why are you trying to hide them from beeing blamed by focusing only in Adolf, who was not the engineer of the Holocaust, but instead a part of it which was controlled by them.


Hitler directly orchestrated it, and those two carried out the orders. It's that damn simple.
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Postby Marquisal » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:26 am

Cenomannos infecisse santo Insel wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
You can not erase from history the horrible murderers that started all of this (Herman Goering and Heinrich Himmler) I do not know why are you trying to hide them from beeing blamed by focusing only in Adolf, who was not the engineer of the Holocaust, but instead a part of it which was controlled by them.

Oml, Hitler fucking allowed it to happen. If he did not like it he would of stop it, and he didn't.


I am not saying that he tried to stop it, I'm saying that it was not him who started it. He even trusted on some jewish friends, like his personal doctor. (Every pollitician of the reich hated him, but Adolf trusted him because he had always been his doctor)
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:26 am

Marquisal wrote:
Pacomia wrote:It’s funny because Hitler was the one that was leading the Third Reich and people like Goering, Himmler, and Goebbels were his inferiors.


I do not see any fun in the way they controlled the Fuhrer to make him the responsible of the Holocaust that he did not start. They even tried to fake a jewish terrorist attack on Adolf to kill him and start new policyes harder with the jews...

It’s funny because that’s simply not the truth.
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