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Police say Andreychenko went to the Walmart on Republic Road in Springfield, donned body armor and walked inside with a loaded "tactical rifle" and another gun. No shots were fired during the incident Thursday. Andreychenko was arrested after he was stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter, Springfield police said. No one was injured. Andreychenko left the store after a few minutes and was held at gunpoint by an off-duty firefighter until officers arrived moments later, Lt. Mike Lucas, with the Springfield Police Department, said.

The Wrestling Ring wrote:In a country with the Second Amendment where politicians are either blaming guns or video games, neither of which cause mass murder, and since nobody is offering up any real solutions to these problems, I don't blame a man to feel like he has to wear body armor and pack a rifle and a handgun while he goes shopping at Walmart.

If I had the money I would too, especially if I had a family.

Ifreann wrote:An armed man with weapons, imagine that.

The Archipelago Territory wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/09/springfield-missouri-walmart-armed-man-identified/1966660001/

Police say Andreychenko went to the Walmart on Republic Road in Springfield, donned body armor and walked inside with a loaded "tactical rifle" and another gun. No shots were fired during the incident Thursday. Andreychenko was arrested after he was stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter, Springfield police said. No one was injured. Andreychenko left the store after a few minutes and was held at gunpoint by an off-duty firefighter until officers arrived moments later, Lt. Mike Lucas, with the Springfield Police Department, said.

So a man walked into Walmart with a loaded but not chambered rifle, body armor, and a handgun which was unloaded and did nothing except push a cart. I understand why this prompted people to run and pull the fire alarm because of the El Paso shootings, but he was doing this in an open carry state, which allowed him to do so, and he didn’t threaten anyone, although he is now being arrested with making a terrorist threat. I can see the prosecutor’s perspectives, but walking into a store with a gun (as long as you’re not threatening anyone) is completely legal. I do think that he should have been detained, but not arrested. What’s your opinion NSG?

A person commits the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly:

(1) Communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(2) Communicates a false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(3) Causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life.

Vassenor wrote:

The Archipelago Territory wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/09/springfield-missouri-walmart-armed-man-identified/1966660001/

So a man walked into Walmart with a loaded but not chambered rifle, body armor, and a handgun which was unloaded and did nothing except push a cart. I understand why this prompted people to run and pull the fire alarm because of the El Paso shootings, but he was doing this in an open carry state, which allowed him to do so, and he didn’t threaten anyone, although he is now being arrested with making a terrorist threat. I can see the prosecutor’s perspectives, but walking into a store with a gun (as long as you’re not threatening anyone) is completely legal. I do think that he should have been detained, but not arrested. What’s your opinion NSG?

Just because you're allowed to do a thing doesn't mean it's automatically a good idea.

And the Terroristic Threats offence in the state of Missouri includes implied threats as well as express ones, so he doesn't need to be shouting about how he's going to shoot the place up.

A person commits the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly:

(1) Communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(2) Communicates a false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(3) Causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life.

Kowani wrote:

Ifreann wrote:An armed man with weapons, imagine that.

Well, the 2A does grant the right to bear arms…Though I imagine sawing the arms off of a bear might be somewhat difficult…

Vassenor wrote:

The Archipelago Territory wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/09/springfield-missouri-walmart-armed-man-identified/1966660001/

So a man walked into Walmart with a loaded but not chambered rifle, body armor, and a handgun which was unloaded and did nothing except push a cart. I understand why this prompted people to run and pull the fire alarm because of the El Paso shootings, but he was doing this in an open carry state, which allowed him to do so, and he didn’t threaten anyone, although he is now being arrested with making a terrorist threat. I can see the prosecutor’s perspectives, but walking into a store with a gun (as long as you’re not threatening anyone) is completely legal. I do think that he should have been detained, but not arrested. What’s your opinion NSG?

Just because you're allowed to do a thing doesn't mean it's automatically a good idea.

And the Terroristic Threats offence in the state of Missouri includes implied threats as well as express ones, so he doesn't need to be shouting about how he's going to shoot the place up.

A person commits the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly:

(1) Communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(2) Communicates a false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life; or

(3) Causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life.

The Archipelago Territory wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/09/springfield-missouri-walmart-armed-man-identified/1966660001/

Police say Andreychenko went to the Walmart on Republic Road in Springfield, donned body armor and walked inside with a loaded "tactical rifle" and another gun. No shots were fired during the incident Thursday. Andreychenko was arrested after he was stopped by an armed off-duty firefighter, Springfield police said. No one was injured. Andreychenko left the store after a few minutes and was held at gunpoint by an off-duty firefighter until officers arrived moments later, Lt. Mike Lucas, with the Springfield Police Department, said.

So a man walked into Walmart with a loaded but not chambered rifle, body armor, and a handgun which was unloaded and did nothing except push a cart. I understand why this prompted people to run and pull the fire alarm because of the El Paso shootings, but he was doing this in an open carry state, which allowed him to do so, and he didn’t threaten anyone, although he is now being arrested with making a terrorist threat. I can see the prosecutor’s perspectives, but walking into a store with a gun (as long as you’re not threatening anyone) is completely legal. I do think that he should have been detained, but not arrested. What’s your opinion NSG?

The Archipelago Territory wrote:The person who pulled the fire alarm should be arrested, they prompted the evacuation

The Archipelago Territory wrote:Yes but he wasn’t being dangerous the armed firefighter who was hiding a gun by concealed carrying is much more dangerous. He committed no crime

The Archipelago Territory wrote:He didn’t block anyone from escaping

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:This does seem the equivalent of yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre though.

The Chuck wrote:

The Archipelago Territory wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/09/springfield-missouri-walmart-armed-man-identified/1966660001/

So a man walked into Walmart with a loaded but not chambered rifle, body armor, and a handgun which was unloaded and did nothing except push a cart. I understand why this prompted people to run and pull the fire alarm because of the El Paso shootings, but he was doing this in an open carry state, which allowed him to do so, and he didn’t threaten anyone, although he is now being arrested with making a terrorist threat. I can see the prosecutor’s perspectives, but walking into a store with a gun (as long as you’re not threatening anyone) is completely legal. I do think that he should have been detained, but not arrested. What’s your opinion NSG?

Alright, Missouri Pro-2A supporter here. First off, he was a fucking dumbass from what I can tell. I have a friend down in Springfield who heard through the grapevine that the kid was attempting a "2nd Amendment Audit". This combined with the fire alarm pulling of course made people freak the fuck out. We are a Constitutional Carry state but you really shouldn't fucking open carry long guns into a store in a frontal carry sling. If he had the rifle slung over his shoulder and wasn't wearing body armor, it would make more sense since Walmarts do carry rifles, pistols, shotguns, and ammunition in stock and he could either be bringing it in for inspection or to be returned/etc. Idiots like this still should be allowed to own firearms but Christ do they need a mighty dose of common sense.

The Archipelago Territory wrote:

The Chuck wrote:
Alright, Missouri Pro-2A supporter here. First off, he was a fucking dumbass from what I can tell. I have a friend down in Springfield who heard through the grapevine that the kid was attempting a "2nd Amendment Audit". This combined with the fire alarm pulling of course made people freak the fuck out. We are a Constitutional Carry state but you really shouldn't fucking open carry long guns into a store in a frontal carry sling. If he had the rifle slung over his shoulder and wasn't wearing body armor, it would make more sense since Walmarts do carry rifles, pistols, shotguns, and ammunition in stock and he could either be bringing it in for inspection or to be returned/etc. Idiots like this still should be allowed to own firearms but Christ do they need a mighty dose of common sense.

You know he didn’t pull the alarm right? Everyone evacuated because of the alarm, not him

The Chuck wrote:

The Archipelago Territory wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/09/springfield-missouri-walmart-armed-man-identified/1966660001/
Alright, Missouri Pro-2A supporter here. First off, he was a fucking dumbass from what I can tell. I have a friend down in Springfield who heard through the grapevine that the kid was attempting a "2nd Amendment Audit". This combined with the fire alarm pulling of course made people freak the fuck out. We are a Constitutional Carry state but you really shouldn't fucking open carry long guns into a store in a frontal carry sling. If he had the rifle slung over his shoulder and wasn't wearing body armor, it would make more sense since Walmarts do carry rifles, pistols, shotguns, and ammunition in stock and he could either be bringing it in for inspection or to be returned/etc. Idiots like this still should be allowed to own firearms but Christ do they need a mighty dose of common sense.

The Archipelago Territory wrote:

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:This does seem the equivalent of yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre though.

But he didn’t pull the alarm, someone else did

The Archipelago Territory wrote:

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:This does seem the equivalent of yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre though.

But he didn’t pull the alarm, someone else did

The Two Jerseys wrote:If the prosecutor was smart, they'd drop the charges before a slick defense attorney embarrasses them in court.