Man Arrested For Walking Into Walmart (with weapons)

[Kowani]

Here’s the thing. Governments very rarely manage to impose great changes on their citizens without the acceptance of said citizens. (If I’m being pedantic, armies are made up of citizens, but that’s not really what we’re talking about.) And if a government wished to take away ones liberties, the presence of an armed populace wouldn’t stop them. Heck, look at the current octopus state. Mind you, I think it should be bigger, but the presence of an armed populace hasn’t really been a consideration since Shays’ Rebellion. The presence of a gun to resist “tyranny” is useless when nobody has shown themselves willing to resist said tyranny.

TIL civil wars and civil insurgencies are just my imagination.

Civil Wars are rarely caused by governments attacking civil liberties. I challenge you to name 5. Bonus points if the side advocating for civil liberties won.
(And don’t try to count the religious wars of Europe, because those weren’t for freedom of religion.)

[M aiq the Liar]

M'aiq says in Skyrim you can carry your weaponry.
M'aiq would like to do it on the real life as he does not want to end like sold cat skin.
M'aiq is done talking.

[Gravlen]

If this simply was misused terminology, still consider exercising your rights to self defense.

I'm ready, willing, and trained to do so.
That being said? I think it's a sad state of affairs when "you should have a gun in your classroom/synagogue" becomes the norm. It's indicative of a wider societal problem that this particular society can't solve because of its misplaced faith in libertarian ideology.

It's indicative of a failed state. The only surprising thing is that the move in that direction is voluntary.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Guns don't kill people, dumb people do. There should be a law against being dumb. *nods*

Having heard quotes from NRA spokespeople, I do also blame stupidity for these shootings.

Enlighten thyself and be free!

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm ready, willing, and trained to do so.
That being said? I think it's a sad state of affairs when "you should have a gun in your classroom/synagogue" becomes the norm. It's indicative of a wider societal problem that this particular society can't solve because of its misplaced faith in libertarian ideology.

It's indicative of a failed state. The only surprising thing is that the move in that direction is voluntary.

We're not even close. We ain't Somalia where numerous groups fight for governmental control, and despite the mass shootings we have, odds are in our favor of not directly going through one.

[The Emerald Legion]

Because god forbid you go to a range and learn how to shoot.

Here's the secret, buddy. I do know how to shoot. I own a handgun and a hunting rifle. I shoot and hunt recreationally. Know what though? When arming people who are supposed to be educating children becomes the "easy" solution to mass shootings at school? Your society MIGHT have a gun problem.
And as both a teacher and a person of faith? It's a sad day when guns become a required fixture in both the classroom and temple.

Your personal problems don't trump my rights.

Your absurd, broken, anti-social concept of "liberty" doesn't trump what should be my right to live free from the fear that a mentally unbalanced person or white supremacist terrorist (though I suppose the distinction there is paper thin) will kill me in a fire fight. I hate to break it to you, but your world view is fundamentally broken if you assume that as the new normal is preferable to doing anything to fix the issue.

And I was a student in high school for the past several years. Never felt fear for my life nor did I notice anyone else expressing fear for their life due to school shootings.

FFS man. I was working during the walk out in protest of the shootings in Miami. My colleagues and I were discussing the pros and cons of bringing firearms into work. I don't know where you are in life now, but it's become a much more charged climate.
Do we (both my colleagues and our students) come to school each day fearing for our lives? No, but it's not a distant worry either.

Your personal feelings are valid but I don’t see how that’s justification for anything.

I'll happily repeat myself. As a gun owner, recreational shooter, and hunter?
It is a sad state of affairs when "you should bring a gun to the school you work at/the synagogue you pray at" becomes the easy solution offered to the threat of school shootings and white supremacist terrorism.

When "why don't they have guns in the school/place of worship?" is being suggested at the norm then society as a whole has a deeply rooted issue. And the default of "my liberty, my personal freedom!" falls short.
Social contract theory. Learn it. The government has the right, and some would say moral authority, to step in if an excess in "personal liberty" is proving dangerous to the common good of society.

That's not an issue. That's literally the way it should be. You should always have a weapon. Always. Everywhere. Forever.

[Crockerland]

I'll happily repeat myself. As a gun owner, recreational shooter, and hunter?

You can trust me guys, I like to kill small animals for fun.

[Galloism]

I'll happily repeat myself. As a gun owner, recreational shooter, and hunter?

You can trust me guys, I like to kill small animals for fun.

Technically most of us do it for food.

[Necroghastia]

Here's the secret, buddy. I do know how to shoot. I own a handgun and a hunting rifle. I shoot and hunt recreationally. Know what though? When arming people who are supposed to be educating children becomes the "easy" solution to mass shootings at school? Your society MIGHT have a gun problem.
And as both a teacher and a person of faith? It's a sad day when guns become a required fixture in both the classroom and temple.


Your absurd, broken, anti-social concept of "liberty" doesn't trump what should be my right to live free from the fear that a mentally unbalanced person or white supremacist terrorist (though I suppose the distinction there is paper thin) will kill me in a fire fight. I hate to break it to you, but your world view is fundamentally broken if you assume that as the new normal is preferable to doing anything to fix the issue.


FFS man. I was working during the walk out in protest of the shootings in Miami. My colleagues and I were discussing the pros and cons of bringing firearms into work. I don't know where you are in life now, but it's become a much more charged climate.
Do we (both my colleagues and our students) come to school each day fearing for our lives? No, but it's not a distant worry either.


I'll happily repeat myself. As a gun owner, recreational shooter, and hunter?
It is a sad state of affairs when "you should bring a gun to the school you work at/the synagogue you pray at" becomes the easy solution offered to the threat of school shootings and white supremacist terrorism.

When "why don't they have guns in the school/place of worship?" is being suggested at the norm then society as a whole has a deeply rooted issue. And the default of "my liberty, my personal freedom!" falls short.
Social contract theory. Learn it. The government has the right, and some would say moral authority, to step in if an excess in "personal liberty" is proving dangerous to the common good of society.

That's not an issue. That's literally the way it should be. You should always have a weapon. Always. Everywhere. Forever.

Okay, not gonna lie, that honestly sounds like something some sort of cultist would say.

[Galloism]

That's not an issue. That's literally the way it should be. You should always have a weapon. Always. Everywhere. Forever.

Okay, not gonna lie, that honestly sounds like something some sort of cultist would say.

When I was with the FHP, it was a straight up job requirement. You were required to carry a weapon at all times, even when off duty, unless prohibited by federal law (IE, an airport).

[Pere Housh Alpha]

I see no laws being broken but he is an idiot.

[Vassenor]

I see no laws being broken but he is an idiot.

That's what happens when you ignore the entire thread where it's explained what laws were broken.

[Estanglia]

I see no laws being broken but he is an idiot.

That's what happens when you ignore the entire thread where it's explained what laws were broken.

And this is what happens when you ignore the entire thread where there has been constant argument over whether or not the guy actually broke laws.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That's what happens when you ignore the entire thread where it's explained what laws were broken.

And this is what happens when you ignore the entire thread where there has been constant argument over whether or not the guy actually broke laws.

Indeed.

[Vassenor]

That's what happens when you ignore the entire thread where it's explained what laws were broken.

And this is what happens when you ignore the entire thread where there has been constant argument over whether or not the guy actually broke laws.

Most of which boiled down to thinking that a gun should be a get out of jail free card.

[Estanglia]

And this is what happens when you ignore the entire thread where there has been constant argument over whether or not the guy actually broke laws.

Most of which boiled down to thinking that a gun should be a get out of jail free card.

How have you managed to constantly post in this thread whilst somehow misunderstanding the very argument occurring in it?

[Galloism]

And this is what happens when you ignore the entire thread where there has been constant argument over whether or not the guy actually broke laws.

Most of which boiled down to thinking that a gun should be a get out of jail free card.

[Citation Needed]

[Pere Housh Alpha]

I see no laws being broken but he is an idiot.

That's what happens when you ignore the entire thread where it's explained what laws were broken.

Vass there is a very high chance he will be let go and charges dropped. I hope the guy finds a great defence lawyer if this somehow makes it to trial which I seriously doubt will happen because the charges are bullshit.

[Kowani]

Here’s the thing. Governments very rarely manage to impose great changes on their citizens without the acceptance of said citizens. (If I’m being pedantic, armies are made up of citizens, but that’s not really what we’re talking about.) And if a government wished to take away ones liberties, the presence of an armed populace wouldn’t stop them. Heck, look at the current octopus state. Mind you, I think it should be bigger, but the presence of an armed populace hasn’t really been a consideration since Shays’ Rebellion. The presence of a gun to resist “tyranny” is useless when nobody has shown themselves willing to resist said tyranny.

You really haven’t presented a convincing argument for not further arming the populace, aside from pointing out a need to get a people motivated before it can present a viable threat.

The fact that a rebellion against a modern day, first world state is a pipe dream?

[Paddy O Fernature]

You really haven’t presented a convincing argument for not further arming the populace, aside from pointing out a need to get a people motivated before it can present a viable threat.

The fact that a rebellion against a modern day, first world state is a pipe dream?

Is it? Huh...

Most of which boiled down to thinking that a gun should be a get out of jail free card.

[Citation Needed]

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one...

[Galloism]

You really haven’t presented a convincing argument for not further arming the populace, aside from pointing out a need to get a people motivated before it can present a viable threat.

The fact that a rebellion against a modern day, first world state is a pipe dream?

This is mostly because we built our societies with relief valves. Given the public’s ability to vote and protest, the first reaction to government injustice isn’t picking up a gun - it’s to try to change the government.

It is only when governments won’t listen to the public at large that we get real rebellions, and that doesn’t happen (generally) when the people have the right to replace the government.

[Kowani]

The fact that a rebellion against a modern day, first world state is a pipe dream?

Is it? Huh...

Yeah, it is. Winning the rebellion, now that’s outright fantasy.

The fact that a rebellion against a modern day, first world state is a pipe dream?

This is mostly because we built our societies with relief valves. Given the public’s ability to vote and protest, the first reaction to government injustice isn’t picking up a gun - it’s to try to change the government.

It is only when governments won’t listen to the public at large that we get real rebellions, and that doesn’t happen (generally) when the people have the right to replace the government.

I believe I’ve said this somewhere before, but the greatest virtue of democracy is the peaceful transfer of power.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Is it? Huh...

Yeah, it is. Winning the rebellion, now that’s outright fantasy.

Disagree, but at this point I'm just stating the obvious.

[Kowani]

Yeah, it is. Winning the rebellion, now that’s outright fantasy.

Disagree, but at this point I'm just stating the obvious.

So, name some rebellions. Bonus points if they won.

[Januss]

It was kinda dumb to walk into a store with a loaded gun, and he should have foreseen something happening, but it was technically legal, and he should not have been arrested, let alone charged with making a terrorist threat.