Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

[Nova Cyberia]

Have you considered that it might help if you stop treating us like we're evil?

Who's doing that and how are they doing it?

Have you considered that it might help if you stop treating us like we're evil?

Then stop being evil

You have your answer, Vass. Now run along.

[Nova Cyberia]

Have you considered that it might help if you stop treating us like we're evil?

Then stop being evil

Aww, but I just bought an evil lair.

I mean, come on!

[Loben The 2nd]

Have you considered that it might help if you stop treating us like we're evil?

Then stop being evil

Evil is subjective in this case.

[Crysuko]

Then stop being evil

Aww, but I just bought an evil lair.

I mean, come on!

Used to belong to a guy named Franco. Northern Spain, excellent weather in summer with easy access to the historic city of Burgos.

[Nova Cyberia]

Aww, but I just bought an evil lair.

I mean, come on!

Used to belong to a guy named Franco. Northern Spain, excellent weather in summer with easy access to the historic city of Burgos.

That doesn't really have anything to do with the evil lair but okay.

Do you have any idea how expensive caves are these days?

[Crysuko]

Used to belong to a guy named Franco. Northern Spain, excellent weather in summer with easy access to the historic city of Burgos.

That doesn't really have anything to do with the evil lair but okay.

Do you have any idea how expensive caves are these days?

Much to the chagrin of ancaps they tend to be on preserved and government owned land

[Nova Cyberia]

That doesn't really have anything to do with the evil lair but okay.

Do you have any idea how expensive caves are these days?

Much to the chagrin of ancaps they tend to be on preserved and government owned land

Exactly! The government never wants to help people who don't have evil lairs.

And it's not even just enough to have a cave. You need one that's connected to a volcano or has a waterfall covering the entrance. Otherwise the other evil rightists will mock you for having a shitty lair.

[Crysuko]

Much to the chagrin of ancaps they tend to be on preserved and government owned land

Exactly! The government never wants to help people who don't have evil lairs.

And it's not even just enough to have a cave. You need one that's connected to a volcano or has a waterfall covering the entrance. Otherwise the other evil rightists will mock you for having a shitty lair.

If you find a suitable place I can loan you some of the leftist bred high horses to help you move in

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.

The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.

You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.

Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.

So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?

[Nova Cyberia]

Exactly! The government never wants to help people who don't have evil lairs.

And it's not even just enough to have a cave. You need one that's connected to a volcano or has a waterfall covering the entrance. Otherwise the other evil rightists will mock you for having a shitty lair.

If you find a suitable place I can loan you some of the leftist bred high horses to help you move in

Thanks, man. Helping the lairless is always a noble cause.

[Crysuko]

The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.

The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.

You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.

Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.

So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?

We're not going to do your research for you. Prove a causal link or drop it.

[Vassenor]

The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.

The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.

You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.

Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.

So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?

Way to shift the burden of proof. Prove that this drop was directly caused by immigration or go away. We don't have to prove it wasn't.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.



Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.

So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?

Way to shift the burden of proof. Prove that this drop was directly caused by immigration or go away. We don't have to prove it wasn't.

Causality is murky, and PC culture stacks the deck against clear-cut proof. But you'd have to be willfully ignorant not to notice the timing.

[Crysuko]

Way to shift the burden of proof. Prove that this drop was directly caused by immigration or go away. We don't have to prove it wasn't.

Causality is murky, and PC culture stacks the deck against clear-cut proof. But you'd have to be willfully ignorant not to notice the timing.

Proof that you don't have, because it doesn't exist, because you are wrong. Timing is a poor way of determining causality without other concrete facts.

[Vassenor]

Way to shift the burden of proof. Prove that this drop was directly caused by immigration or go away. We don't have to prove it wasn't.

Causality is murky, and PC culture stacks the deck against clear-cut proof. But you'd have to be willfully ignorant not to notice the timing.

So you have no evidence and are just demanding we believe it because your narrative says it is true. Got it.

[Duvniask]

The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.

The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.

I don't think you understand. I'm saying you have to point to the things actually driving the decline (which is inversely caused by an increase in score). The GPI measures many factors, even things you might not expect like military expenditure as a percentage of GDP, financial contribution to UN peacekeeping missions, or the number of police officers per 100,000 people. To give good evidence of your assertion you'd need to actually point to the specific indicators that show what leads to an increase or decrease in GPI score. You haven't done that, you've just pointed out a flimsy connection between refugees and violence. The decline could just as easily have been caused by some wholly unrelated factor in the equation.

You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.

Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.

So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?

I wasn't the one that made the global warming example, but whatever. And while we might've discovered these things by observing the correlation, an explanation as to the causality is needed to confirm that the correlation actually means anything (especially in your case, where the correlation is only flimsy and not measured mathematically). We understand that greenhouse gases alter global temperature, not just because of the correlation, but also because the very properties of such gases can explain the relationship between the two.

I'm not required to explain anything to you. Like I said the onus is on you to explain the causality between Muslim immigration and an increase (increases are "bad") in the value of the GPI score.

[Attempted Socialism]

AFAIK there's not a single correct thing in this statement, so allow me to request a source for everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Note how far Denmark's fallen since 2016.

When did the refugee crisis start? The year before. 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

Your claim was that Denmark was the 2nd most peaceful country on Earth before Muslims immigrated en masse. Since Muslims haven't immigrated here en masse yet, your claim is bogus. If you wanted to show a correlation between immigration and violence, go back to the 80'ies and 90'ies.
Second, Denmark has become less violent every year for decades, except a raise in rapes being reported to police following the #MeToo debates.
Third, your link shows how Denmark is essentially unchanged in peacefulness since before 2015. Your own link shows that you're lying, and you know it and choose to be racist just because (The alternative being that you can't figure it out yourself, which you're free to admit to if you so desire). It's a running joke that Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland take turns being on top of the happiest country on Earth. Apparently here there are a few other countries also in the mix. If our peacefulness shows no change after 2015, how can it be the fault of the Muslims (Who, incidentally, came here long before and not en masse)? Only because of events in your head, that's how.
So far you've shown how you're wrong. I'd still like some sources for your claims.

Also, pirates prevent global warming. Don't trust correlation.

Har har. But we also have other explanations for global warming.

Meanwhile, I've yet to see you come up with any explanations for Denmark losing its silver medal in peacefulness.

Well, since 2001 we've gradually cut support to the UN (Item 21), raised military budget and participation in wars (Items 17, 18, 19, 20), increased incarceration for dumb stuff (Item 15) and right-wing terror has increased, also against demonstrations (Items 10, 13, 14).
By your sources and your "logic", right-wing governments and right-wing terrorists caused Denmarks slight drop.

The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.

The table is right there in the article I linked to. Denmark used to be in 2nd place at the start of the refugee crisis. It's since come down to 5th.

We also often shift 2-5 spots on the Corruption Perception Index and World Happiness Index. Why? Because the margins between those ranks are so small, the slightest breeze will shift you some spots. By your "logic", immigration causes other countries to become more corrupt, so Denmark can get to the top spot in the ranking. Your argument is shit, formed out of baseless islamophobia.

You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.

Observing patterns is how we discover things in a society. It's how we discovered that tobacco was bad for you... or to use your global warming example, how we discovered the link between greenhouse gases and climate change.

So if I point out one noticeably prominent thing that's changed between the start of the refugee crisis and now... care to provide another explanation, or do you have nothing?

Well, first that the event you claimed as a cause was immigration en masse, so you should maybe start there, since it didn't happen in 2015. Next, you should show that this was actually correlated with a drop in peacefulness (Rather than a minor shift in rankings). Third, you could try and connect the two, as was done with both the discoveries you mention. An actual mechanism was proposed and investigated, rather than just looking at correlations.

I'll repeat: To the best of my knowledge, everything you said was wrong. So far, you've directly shown that you knew several parts were wrong, meaning that you knowingly and intentionally said something wrong - also known as a lie.

[Gravlen]

Also, pirates prevent global warming. Don't trust correlation.

Har har. But we also have other explanations for global warming.

Meanwhile, I've yet to see you come up with any explanations for Denmark losing its silver medal in peacefulness.

The report itself offers a clue:

According to the Gallup World Poll (GWP), the past decade has seen increasing satisfaction regarding freedom in life, treatment with respect and satisfaction with standards of living. These factors were measured using the following questions:
• Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your standard of living, all the things you can buy and do?
• In (this country), are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your freedom to choose what you do with your life?

Spain, Belgium, Ireland, France and Denmark were the only European countries to deteriorate in freedom in life satisfaction. These five countries had concurrent falls in standard of living satisfaction, with the largest decline in Ireland, at eight percentage points.

That's one of the reasons for the slip from 4th to 5th place, which was due to a decline of 0.003 points. It should also be noted that Denmark was in 4th place back in 2011 as well, and that Portugal is one of the reasons for the slip as they've risen from 17th place in 2013 to 3rd place now.

Anyway, you were trying to claim causation, yet you never looked at the report for the year that Denmark fell from 2nd place to 4th place. If you had, you'd find these quotes:

Although the risk of conflict remains low, tensions between Russia and the Nordic countries increased further in 2016, leading to the scores for relations with neighbouring countries of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden also deteriorating, substantially impacting their scores.

Almost every Nordic country deteriorated owing to a worsening of relations with Russia, with Finland, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway all moving from a score of one to two. A score of two indicates that relations with neighbouring countries are generally good, but that some aggressiveness is manifest in political speeches.

Oh, look at that. A reason was actually given.

Sure, there's other factors taken into the equation as well, but you know what the report doesn't say? That islamic immigration had a negative effect on the ratings.

[Crysuko]

Har har. But we also have other explanations for global warming.

Meanwhile, I've yet to see you come up with any explanations for Denmark losing its silver medal in peacefulness.

The report itself offers a clue:

According to the Gallup World Poll (GWP), the past decade has seen increasing satisfaction regarding freedom in life, treatment with respect and satisfaction with standards of living. These factors were measured using the following questions:
• Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your standard of living, all the things you can buy and do?
• In (this country), are you satisfied or dissatisfied with your freedom to choose what you do with your life?

Spain, Belgium, Ireland, France and Denmark were the only European countries to deteriorate in freedom in life satisfaction. These five countries had concurrent falls in standard of living satisfaction, with the largest decline in Ireland, at eight percentage points.

That's one of the reasons for the slip from 4th to 5th place, which was due to a decline of 0.003 points. It should also be noted that Denmark was in 4th place back in 2011 as well, and that Portugal is one of the reasons for the slip as they've risen from 17th place in 2013 to 3rd place now.

Anyway, you were trying to claim causation, yet you never looked at the report for the year that Denmark fell from 2nd place to 4th place. If you had, you'd find these quotes:

Although the risk of conflict remains low, tensions between Russia and the Nordic countries increased further in 2016, leading to the scores for relations with neighbouring countries of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden also deteriorating, substantially impacting their scores.

Almost every Nordic country deteriorated owing to a worsening of relations with Russia, with Finland, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway all moving from a score of one to two. A score of two indicates that relations with neighbouring countries are generally good, but that some aggressiveness is manifest in political speeches.

Oh, look at that. A reason was actually given.

Sure, there's other factors taken into the equation as well, but you know what the report doesn't say? That islamic immigration had a negative effect on the ratings.

You see that chainsaw? It's not for mutilating you, but your crappy arguments.

not aimed at grav, but the reader in general

[Thermodolia]

Is it Islamists yet?

Hardly. The bombings don’t fit Islamists MO. They tend to have a high body counts, while anarchists tend to attack government buildings and have none or low body count.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a group like the IRA who announced that they where about to blow something up.

[Crysuko]

Is it Islamists yet?

Hardly. The bombings don’t fit Islamists MO. They tend to have a high body counts, while anarchists tend to attack government buildings and have none or low body count.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a group like the IRA who announced that they where about to blow something up.

But Therm, there's a weak correlation and a political narrative that's says otherwise

[Thermodolia]

Hardly. The bombings don’t fit Islamists MO. They tend to have a high body counts, while anarchists tend to attack government buildings and have none or low body count.

It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a group like the IRA who announced that they where about to blow something up.

But Therm, there's a weak correlation and a political narrative that's says otherwise

Oh silly me to get in the way of a political narrative and a baseless correlation

[Kowani]

But Therm, there's a weak correlation and a political narrative that's says otherwise

Oh silly me to get in the way of a political narrative and a baseless correlation

You should know better. Shame.

[Kaystein]

Given their choice of targets, my guess is that it's someone who dislikes the current Nordic model of government in Denmark. Particularly the high taxes. The police station attack it just typical for any rebel activity.

[Attempted Socialism]

Given their choice of targets, my guess is that it's someone who dislikes the current Nordic model of government in Denmark. Particularly the high taxes. The police station attack it just typical for any rebel activity.

While not impossible, the taxes angle seems improbable: There are political avenues for expressing that within the current political system without any issue, and Danish taxes are extremely low compared to their equivalents in e.g. USA. I can't see which group would have tried to attack the Danish tax agency because it in itself made sense as a political target. If it's the tax agency as such, I'd look more towards biker- and drugrelated gangs (Because, like Al Capone, they often get caught up in tax collection and convicted for their crimes that way around).