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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:35 am

Surkiea wrote:
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And you base this on what evidence?

Because the Left always attack and kill people, and who hates cops the most?


So you have no evidence. Got it.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:35 am

Surkiea wrote:Another communist attack? I doubt the liberal media will cover this.

Except the media is covering it, and it's not a communist attack.


Last I saw from DR was that the police are looking into links between the two attacks (Attack on the tax agency and a local police office in Copenhagen). The attack on the tax offices was done with "industrial grade" explosives, so it was presumably done after some planning - and that indicates that the lack of body-count in both instances was deliberate. I doubt any Danish anarchist group is responsible; the socialdemocrats just won an election against the right-wing government and the literal Nazis didn't get in. I'd look more towards the fascist terror groups like Identitær, Stram Kurs, ORC, SIAD etc. They have an anti-state conspiracy, ideas of "great replacement", idolise civil war and have been caught in amassing weapons. Meanwhile, having just lost an election there may be pent-up frustrations. Is this sending a signal? OTOH, I doubt they'd go out of their way to send a signal without a huge bodycount, so it's not really the best explanation.
The Government will hold a special security session, so there's probably more known that has not been made public yet, but as is, everything is speculation.


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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:46 am

To people asking if it could have been an accident: Police is ruling it out, 100%: They've found explosives both places (Although the phrase "industrial grade explosives" - my translation - has only been used concerning the Tax Agency).

Ard al Islam wrote:Obviously, it would be from someone against the Danish Government. Can anyone Danish here tell me of a group that is anti-Government, in the sense they don't agree with it?

There are some far-right groups, Redox has made a list here. Some violent, a few not. While there are left-wing anti Government groups, these are unlikely to be involved given the recent election results. Anti-state left-wing actors can't be ruled out, though I don't know of any. There have been some concerns that pro-Iranian groups have plottet attacks on Iranian dissidents in Denmark, but it doesn't seem connected. And, of course, Islamic fundamentalist groups, though this doesn't follow their usual MO.


Edit:
DR is updating with a few things. First, there's a photo of someone running away, though to me it's so grainy and pixellated that I can't see the use of it. Second, the chief police investigator is not investigating it as terrorism (Though he won't rule out yet). Third, it will take a few days before they know if the explosives from the tax agency and the police station are the same types. DR mentions gangs using high-grade explosives, but the police won't comment on any connection.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:37 am

Update from an explosives expert: Both explosions were done with the same kind of explosive, usually used in demolitions. They were likely started with a lit fuse, which is much harder to control, and in the words of the expert, it means that the lack of a bodycount more luck than skill (Though the timing of attacking empty buildings at night still indicates some intent). The police has not confirmed the explosive, so I'm not quite sure how the expert knows, though.


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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:40 am

Fasma wrote:Nothing to really say about this incident regarding motive or responsibility, the authorities are currently investigating it. Anything else is speculation, reckless speculation if targeted towards certain groups without evidence.

Denmark was literally the 2nd most peaceful country on Earth until Muslims immigrated there en masse. That alone is evidence enough to make speculation about a role for Islam a reasonable assumption, not a reckless one.
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How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:59 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Fasma wrote:Nothing to really say about this incident regarding motive or responsibility, the authorities are currently investigating it. Anything else is speculation, reckless speculation if targeted towards certain groups without evidence.

Denmark was literally the 2nd most peaceful country on Earth until Muslims immigrated there en masse. That alone is evidence enough to make speculation about a role for Islam a reasonable assumption, not a reckless one.

AFAIK there's not a single correct thing in this statement, so allow me to request a source for everything.


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Postby Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:51 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Fasma wrote:Nothing to really say about this incident regarding motive or responsibility, the authorities are currently investigating it. Anything else is speculation, reckless speculation if targeted towards certain groups without evidence.

Denmark was literally the 2nd most peaceful country on Earth until Muslims immigrated there en masse. That alone is evidence enough to make speculation about a role for Islam a reasonable assumption, not a reckless one.

Note the typical racist practice of making grandiose sweeping statements such as these and failing to cite them. Do you have any specific evidence that terror rates in Denmark went up at the onset of large scale immigration? Or are you just making shit up and hoping nobody notices?
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:08 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Denmark was literally the 2nd most peaceful country on Earth until Muslims immigrated there en masse. That alone is evidence enough to make speculation about a role for Islam a reasonable assumption, not a reckless one.

AFAIK there's not a single correct thing in this statement, so allow me to request a source for everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Note how far Denmark's fallen since 2016.

When did the refugee crisis start? The year before. 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:10 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:AFAIK there's not a single correct thing in this statement, so allow me to request a source for everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Note how far Denmark's fallen since 2016.

When did the refugee crisis start? The year before. 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

Also, pirates prevent global warming. Don't trust correlation.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:10 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:AFAIK there's not a single correct thing in this statement, so allow me to request a source for everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Note how far Denmark's fallen since 2016.

When did the refugee crisis start? The year before. 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis


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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:13 am

Crysuko wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Note how far Denmark's fallen since 2016.

When did the refugee crisis start? The year before. 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

Also, pirates prevent global warming. Don't trust correlation.

Har har. But we also have other explanations for global warming.

Meanwhile, I've yet to see you come up with any explanations for Denmark losing its silver medal in peacefulness.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:22 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Also, pirates prevent global warming. Don't trust correlation.

Har har. But we also have other explanations for global warming.

Meanwhile, I've yet to see you come up with any explanations for Denmark losing its silver medal in peacefulness.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
Also, you haven't either except for pointing at a Wikipedia article and weakly trying to correlate it with immigration without having any hard evidence. Less allusions, more proof.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:24 am

Is it Islamists yet?
Yes, yes, I get it. I'm racist and fascist because I disagree with you. Can we skip that part? I've heard it a million times before and I guarantee it won't be any different when you do it
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Postby Duvniask » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:26 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:AFAIK there's not a single correct thing in this statement, so allow me to request a source for everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Note how far Denmark's fallen since 2016.

When did the refugee crisis start? The year before. 2015.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

The Global Peace Index covers so many things that you would have to go to great lengths to prove that the refugee crisis is behind the increase. Can't do that without the data that decides where Denmark is placed in the rankings. Data which you have yet to show, by the way.

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Also, pirates prevent global warming. Don't trust correlation.

Har har. But we also have other explanations for global warming.

Meanwhile, I've yet to see you come up with any explanations for Denmark losing its silver medal in peacefulness.

You were the one to claim the increase was because of Muslim immigration. The onus is on you to provide evidence. So far all you have done is point out that the two things happened at roughly the same time, without demonstrating causality.

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Postby Cerinda » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:26 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:Is it Islamists yet?

No suspects have been found. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a criminal gang or the far-right.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:27 am

Cerinda wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Is it Islamists yet?

No suspects have been found. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a criminal gang or the far-right.

Okay, call me when they find out it's Islamists.
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Postby Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:27 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:Is it Islamists yet?

AFAIK there's no confirmation on who the culprit is, but if Luna finger points any harder, reality may bend through sheer force of contrivance.
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

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Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:39 am

Crysuko wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Is it Islamists yet?

AFAIK there's no confirmation on who the culprit is, but if Luna finger points any harder, reality may bend through sheer force of contrivance.

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:46 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Crysuko wrote:AFAIK there's no confirmation on who the culprit is, but if Luna finger points any harder, reality may bend through sheer force of contrivance.

Little prayer that the guy is white in the back of your mind?

https://youtu.be/zEtgRBjEZp0
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:47 am

Crysuko wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Little prayer that the guy is white in the back of your mind?

https://youtu.be/zEtgRBjEZp0

That don’t mean shit to me
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Postby Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:51 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:

That don’t mean shit to me

Dammit, stop. This would be the 2nd time in a week I'd get banned for flipping my shit at a rightist
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:54 am

Crysuko wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:That don’t mean shit to me

Dammit, stop. This would be the 2nd time in a week I'd get banned for flipping my shit at a rightist

Have you considered calming down?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:54 am

Crysuko wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:That don’t mean shit to me

Dammit, stop. This would be the 2nd time in a week I'd get banned for flipping my shit at a rightist

Have you considered that it might help if you stop treating us like we're evil?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:55 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Dammit, stop. This would be the 2nd time in a week I'd get banned for flipping my shit at a rightist

Have you considered that it might help if you stop treating us like we're evil?


Who's doing that and how are they doing it?
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Postby Crysuko » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:58 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Crysuko wrote:Dammit, stop. This would be the 2nd time in a week I'd get banned for flipping my shit at a rightist

Have you considered that it might help if you stop treating us like we're evil?

Then stop being evil
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Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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