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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:28 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:Sometimes an old film's just an old film. And that's fine.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:28 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:Sometimes an old film's just an old film. And that's fine.

Manos: hands of fate.

We never said it was a good old film...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:29 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Manos: hands of fate.

We never said it was a good old film...


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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:45 pm

Auze wrote:
Imperium of Dragonia wrote:Somewhere, there's a Buzzfeed article that says just that.

Ah, Buzzfeed.
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Anyway, I've never seen gone with the wind, what parts of it were supporting the "lost cause"?


I saw that movie. The part on the destruction via fire of Atlanta was impressive.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:55 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Manos: hands of fate.

We never said it was a good old film...


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But well... values and context does change. Show Gone with the Wind in film classes and discuss what's changed in norms since then. It's still a masterpiece and as trans, leftist and feminist I am, I haven't watched that thing for the last time.
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:We never said it was a good old film...


He questions the master.

He’s got such a stupid cape. You really can’t do anything other than question him.
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Postby James_xenoland » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:57 pm

Burgund-1 wrote:What do you think should be done about Gone with the Wind? Do you believe that it should be banned from sale/public showings/do you think the film is southern propaganda? Or do you feel as if the movie should remain freely available/is fine as it is?

What?! wait.. on what grounds do you think banning it would/could ever be an actual legal option?!


Burgund-1 wrote:Personally I feel that the film should be recognized as an important piece of cinema,

Full stop right there. It should be recognized as a classic and a work of it's time. Any "issues" with an old work, real or imagined, should never be taken out of that context... old and of a different time!
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Postby US-SSR » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:01 pm

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When this specific film specifically paints the Confederate cause as something other than a fight to preserve slavery, and plays up numerous Lost Cause tropes as fact? Yes, that is a travesty.

The confederates weren't fighting to preserve slavery, they were fighting for states rights. It's the union that was fighting to force slavery, slavery of the states to a dishonest, tyrannical federal government which was dominated by republican interests.


Oh no? Read the South Carolina Ordinance of Secession much?

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

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These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

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Preservation of slavery from one end to the other. The same for every other treasonous, rebel state's ordinance. Please stop lying about the causes of the First US Civil War; it was the South's insistance on defending slavery.
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