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Was cancelling The Hunt the right call?

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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:18 pm

It seems like a satirical concept that'll take the piss out of both coastal liberals and back country Trump supporters, even portraying the latter in a slightly more sympathetic light.

If the movie comes out, and it does turn out that it's far too heavy handed with the "fuck Trump supporters" rhetoric, then maybe I'll critique this film, but until then, this seems like a poor concept of a satirical movie that shouldn't piss anyone off, tbh.

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Postby Tokora » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:54 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Tokora wrote:As cathartic as it would be to watch neo-nazis and kkk members (and I'm referring exclusively to Trump's extremist branch before anyone panics) being used for target practice, not only is the timing very off but the right will inevitably weaponize it.

At this point it's a miracle they don't complain about WWII films.


But it's not neo-Nazis and KKK members being used as target practice. It's just poor Southerners.

The first two usually overlap with the third. Besides, like I said the right are guaranteed to weaponize this film for taking shots (literally) at their base at all.

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Tokora wrote:
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But it's not neo-Nazis and KKK members being used as target practice. It's just poor Southerners.

The first two usually overlap with the third. Besides, like I said the right are guaranteed to weaponize this film for taking shots (literally) at their base at all.

Your guarantee is worth jack diddly. This movie, were it released, would probably offend the usual whiny jackasses on both sides and be either entertaining or boring for everybody else. Historically that's what happens with movies like this.

Take Dogma as an example. It was satirical of Catholicism and generated a small amount of bitching from a small amount of Catholics and was either enjoyed or not by everybody else, even other Catholics.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:41 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Tokora wrote:The first two usually overlap with the third. Besides, like I said the right are guaranteed to weaponize this film for taking shots (literally) at their base at all.

Your guarantee is worth jack diddly. This movie, were it released, would probably offend the usual whiny jackasses on both sides and be either entertaining or boring for everybody else. Historically that's what happens with movies like this.

Take Dogma as an example. It was satirical of Catholicism and generated a small amount of bitching from a small amount of Catholics and was either enjoyed or not by everybody else, even other Catholics.

The majority of complaints will be from the Right as they don't like it when they are the target. Something about the Christian Persecution Complex.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:44 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Your guarantee is worth jack diddly. This movie, were it released, would probably offend the usual whiny jackasses on both sides and be either entertaining or boring for everybody else. Historically that's what happens with movies like this.

Take Dogma as an example. It was satirical of Catholicism and generated a small amount of bitching from a small amount of Catholics and was either enjoyed or not by everybody else, even other Catholics.

The majority of complaints will be from the Right as they don't like it when they are the target. Something about the Christian Persecution Complex.

The majority of the tiny minority of complainers, you mean? Sure...I guess? Not that the left doesn't complain more or less constantly, too. Whiny bitches are in abundance on either side. The center, too.
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Postby Breaking Badlands » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:44 pm

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I am certain before there were any of those films, meals of paranoia were served by books written by Edgar Allan Poe and Mary Shelly etc... no doubt providing slower service, but much tastier.


But the works of Poe weren't particularly scary... and come to think of it, neither was Shelly's The Modern Prometheus, in all honesty.


Ah! But in their time, those stories were scary. Just as on October 30, 1938, radio's Mercury Theater and Orson Wells scared the hell out of millions of people with their production of War of the Worlds. Today, that isn't scary either.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:50 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Kind of sad that we're to the point of making movies to feed into the paranoia of people but really I'm not that surprised, but really if people want to watch it then they'll watch it.

It would be sad. You haven't any evidence that this is supposed to "feed into paranoia".
I think I can point at the Pizzagate incident as evidence that there is a subsect of people who really believe stuff like this film are possible.

And those people are to be pitied. This film almost feels like a parody of what people like that believe.

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
But the works of Poe weren't particularly scary... and come to think of it, neither was Shelly's The Modern Prometheus, in all honesty.


Ah! But in their time, those stories were scary. Just as on October 30, 1938, radio's Mercury Theater and Orson Wells scared the hell out of millions of people with their production of War of the Worlds. Today, that isn't scary either.

Actually that's mostly an urban legend, the amount of people scared by it weren't as great as originally believed, it just got embellished by the media and by retellings of the events afterwards.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:06 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Scomagia wrote:It would be sad. You haven't any evidence that this is supposed to "feed into paranoia".
And how am I supposed to prove an emotion? Remember there were people who thought Pizzagate was real too. In a way this film is almost like a parody of what those people believe.

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Ah! But in their time, those stories were scary. Just as on October 30, 1938, radio's Mercury Theater and Orson Wells scared the hell out of millions of people with their production of War of the Worlds. Today, that isn't scary either.

Actually that's mostly an urban legend, the amount of people scared by it weren't as great as originally believed, it just got embellished by the media and by retellings of the events afterwards.

Your claim wasn't an emotion. You said, "Kinda sad that we are to the point of making movies to feed into the paranoia of people," and that implies that the goal of the film is to feed into paranoia. That is the claim which I was asking you to provide evidence for.

A very small amount of people thought Pizzagate was real. Most people did not. And Pizzagate, for what it's worth, was likely originated by or furthered by Russian actors. The same can't be said for this movie, especially since we have a fucking premise and a trailer and that's about all we know about it.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:30 pm

Scomagia wrote:Your claim wasn't an emotion. You said, "Kinda sad that we are to the point of making movies to feed into the paranoia of people," and that implies that the goal of the film is to feed into paranoia. That is the claim which I was asking you to provide evidence for.
Then maybe I should have put in "That" instead of "To"

That's the mistake.

Really the only goal of the movie I imagine is to make a profit off of the controversy the movie is generating... if it doesn't get canceled because people are triggered by it.

Scomagia wrote:A very small amount of people thought Pizzagate was real. Most people did not. And Pizzagate, for what it's worth, was likely originated by or furthered by Russian actors. The same can't be said for this movie, especially since we have a fucking premise and a trailer and that's about all we know about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the supposed controversy of this movie is also being furthered by foreign actors.
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Postby Breaking Badlands » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:55 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Scomagia wrote:It would be sad. You haven't any evidence that this is supposed to "feed into paranoia".
I think I can point at the Pizzagate incident as evidence that there is a subsect of people who really believe stuff like this film are possible.

And those people are to be pitied. This film almost feels like a parody of what people like that believe.

Breaking Badlands wrote:
Ah! But in their time, those stories were scary. Just as on October 30, 1938, radio's Mercury Theater and Orson Wells scared the hell out of millions of people with their production of War of the Worlds. Today, that isn't scary either.

Actually that's mostly an urban legend, the amount of people scared by it weren't as great as originally believed, it just got embellished by the media and by retellings of the events afterwards.


Actually, no. You are bullshitting me. Urban legends didn't exist in 1938.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:15 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Kind of sad that we're to the point of making movies to feed into the paranoia of people but really I'm not that surprised, but really if people want to watch it then they'll watch it.

It would be sad. You haven't any evidence that this is supposed to "feed into paranoia".

That's how horror do.


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Scomagia wrote:I think it is.

Nope.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:28 pm

Movie should not have been cancelled. While it probably would have been terrible, it is simply satire.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:37 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Movie should not have been cancelled. While it probably would have been terrible, it is simply satire.

Given how Trump supporters have been doing a lot of domestic terrorism in the form of spree shootings in the past 12 months. The studio doesn't want their production staff murdered by a MAGA hat with an AR-15.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:38 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Movie should not have been cancelled. While it probably would have been terrible, it is simply satire.

Given how Trump supporters have been doing a lot of domestic terrorism in the form of spree shootings in the past 12 months. The studio doesn't want their production staff murdered by a MAGA hat with an AR-15.

Handwringing. What a bore.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:39 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Movie should not have been cancelled. While it probably would have been terrible, it is simply satire.

Given how Trump supporters have been doing a lot of domestic terrorism in the form of spree shootings in the past 12 months. The studio doesn't want their production staff murdered by a MAGA hat with an AR-15.

They didn't cancel out of fear of their lives. Mass shooters are a very tiny minority of Trump supporters.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:40 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Given how Trump supporters have been doing a lot of domestic terrorism in the form of spree shootings in the past 12 months. The studio doesn't want their production staff murdered by a MAGA hat with an AR-15.

Handwringing. What a bore.

The company probably would be at risk of wrongful death suits if the shooter was incited by the movie.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:46 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Handwringing. What a bore.

The company probably would be at risk of wrongful death suits if the shooter was incited by the movie.

You can be at risk for suit over anything. They wouldn't lose.

And besides, private security is definitely affordable for the studio.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:49 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:The company probably would be at risk of wrongful death suits if the shooter was incited by the movie.

You can be at risk for suit over anything. They wouldn't lose.

And besides, private security is definitely affordable for the studio.

This ^^ Most Trump supporters wouldn't shoot it up, but security can take care of the small minority of people who would.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:50 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:The company probably would be at risk of wrongful death suits if the shooter was incited by the movie.

You can be at risk for suit over anything. They wouldn't lose.

And besides, private security is definitely affordable for the studio.

If it is to protect a studio in Georgia where most companies are leaving as actors won't work in the state with the heartbeat bill, guards will be amply armed.

Californian studios on the other hand are easy targets for Nevada or Arizona Trump supporters.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:52 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:You can be at risk for suit over anything. They wouldn't lose.

And besides, private security is definitely affordable for the studio.

If it is to protect a studio in Georgia where most companies are leaving as actors won't work in the state with the heartbeat bill, guards will be amply armed.

Californian studios on the other hand are easy targets for Nevada or Arizona Trump supporters.

Not really. You can purchase the services of armed security in any state.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:56 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:If it is to protect a studio in Georgia where most companies are leaving as actors won't work in the state with the heartbeat bill, guards will be amply armed.

Californian studios on the other hand are easy targets for Nevada or Arizona Trump supporters.

Not really. You can purchase the services of armed security in any state.

California gun laws restrict what weapons your armed guards can use. The counties rarely if ever issue concealed carry permits in California for a reason. And that is that unless one is in like Bishop or Fresno, you have Democrats who are big into gun control. And nobody runs studios out in Bishop or Fresno as that's hours away from LA.

Edit: The MAGA if from out of state will almost certainly use a semi auto. Kind of obvious why studios would pull the movie given the adequate weaponry is like pulling teeth in the LA metro area.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:03 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Not really. You can purchase the services of armed security in any state.

California gun laws restrict what weapons your armed guards can use. The counties rarely if ever issue concealed carry permits in California for a reason. And that is that unless one is in like Bishop or Fresno, you have Democrats who are big into gun control. And nobody runs studios out in Bishop or Fresno as that's hours away from LA.

Edit: The MAGA if from out of state will almost certainly use a semi auto. Kind of obvious why studios would pull the movie given the adequate weaponry is like pulling teeth in the LA metro area.

Which laws?

It shouldn't be difficult for security to obtain a CCW, even in California.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:50 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Not really. You can purchase the services of armed security in any state.

California gun laws restrict what weapons your armed guards can use. The counties rarely if ever issue concealed carry permits in California for a reason. And that is that unless one is in like Bishop or Fresno, you have Democrats who are big into gun control. And nobody runs studios out in Bishop or Fresno as that's hours away from LA.

Edit: The MAGA if from out of state will almost certainly use a semi auto. Kind of obvious why studios would pull the movie given the adequate weaponry is like pulling teeth in the LA metro area.

A few points of order:

There are four gun shops and a gun range walking distance from my apartment in downtown Burbank. Where all the studios are. I know "Hollywood" is the buzzword, but the studios are in Burbank. I can shop around for guns without getting in my car. The idea that California is a gun oasis is paranoia.

Studios are exceptionally well guarded. Not because of shooters, but because of TMZ. You're revenge shooter has nothing on a tabloid reporter and a paparazzi.

The Gilroy shooter was engaged within a minute. Dayton within 30 seconds. In gun friendly Texas, the shooter was arrested 40 minutes after opening fire.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:14 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:California gun laws restrict what weapons your armed guards can use. The counties rarely if ever issue concealed carry permits in California for a reason. And that is that unless one is in like Bishop or Fresno, you have Democrats who are big into gun control. And nobody runs studios out in Bishop or Fresno as that's hours away from LA.

Edit: The MAGA if from out of state will almost certainly use a semi auto. Kind of obvious why studios would pull the movie given the adequate weaponry is like pulling teeth in the LA metro area.

A few points of order:

There are four gun shops and a gun range walking distance from my apartment in downtown Burbank. Where all the studios are. I know "Hollywood" is the buzzword, but the studios are in Burbank. I can shop around for guns without getting in my car. The idea that California is a gun oasis is paranoia.

Studios are exceptionally well guarded. Not because of shooters, but because of TMZ. You're revenge shooter has nothing on a tabloid reporter and a paparazzi.

The Gilroy shooter was engaged within a minute. Dayton within 30 seconds. In gun friendly Texas, the shooter was arrested 40 minutes after opening fire.


Yeah, because there were people with guns nearby. Your point?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:18 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:A few points of order:

There are four gun shops and a gun range walking distance from my apartment in downtown Burbank. Where all the studios are. I know "Hollywood" is the buzzword, but the studios are in Burbank. I can shop around for guns without getting in my car. The idea that California is a gun oasis is paranoia.

Studios are exceptionally well guarded. Not because of shooters, but because of TMZ. You're revenge shooter has nothing on a tabloid reporter and a paparazzi.

The Gilroy shooter was engaged within a minute. Dayton within 30 seconds. In gun friendly Texas, the shooter was arrested 40 minutes after opening fire.


Yeah, because there were people with guns nearby. Your point?

You're a big boy, I'm sure you can follow a conversation without anyone holding your hand.
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