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Who do you support?

PiS
26
28%
PO
11
12%
SLD
6
7%
Wiosna
33
36%
PSL
3
3%
Kukiz' 15
4
4%
Other(Please tell us who)
9
10%
 
Total votes : 92

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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:20 pm

Romanian-Slavia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Euroscepticism is a shit option for Poland.

The EU gives us immense benefits: direct monetary aid, easier trade with our main trading partners, export of surplus labor force to other EU countries and getting remittance payments, no restrictions on the used car import that makes over 60% of all Polish new registrations...


East Europeans don t have surplus labour force. This is why eastern european countries have biggest percenatge of non-EU immigrants.

Source on that?

For example, unemployment was big before the EU (10+%), so the surplus labor force at least did exist.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:49 pm

I do of course support Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

Other than that anything that beats PiS out of office is probably good.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:12 pm

Nakena wrote:I do of course support Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

Other than that anything that beats PiS out of office is probably good.


Another enlightened human being, I see.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:06 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Wiosna sounds lovely, but their chances are slim.

However, they may play an important role in the election.

If the final outcome is similar to current polls, Wiosna will be teetering around the 5% threshold you need to cross to be in the parliament.

If they do cross it, PiS will not cross the 50% of MPs threshold you need to cross to form a non-coalition government. As PiS will the only "right-wing" party in the Sejm in such a scenario, it's likely that a KO+Lewica+Wiosna coalition would form to rule instead.

If nothing changes and Wiosna fails to cross the threshold, then PiS will have that >50% they'd need to form a government.

What's KO? Is that another name for PO?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:13 pm

No PolandBall jokes? I am disappointed. :p
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:However, they may play an important role in the election.

If the final outcome is similar to current polls, Wiosna will be teetering around the 5% threshold you need to cross to be in the parliament.

If they do cross it, PiS will not cross the 50% of MPs threshold you need to cross to form a non-coalition government. As PiS will the only "right-wing" party in the Sejm in such a scenario, it's likely that a KO+Lewica+Wiosna coalition would form to rule instead.

If nothing changes and Wiosna fails to cross the threshold, then PiS will have that >50% they'd need to form a government.

What's KO? Is that another name for PO?

Yes and no.

KO (Koalicja Obywatelska) is a coalition made out of PO, Nowoczesna and Zieloni, in which PO seems to be the main party.
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Nakena wrote:I do of course support Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

Other than that anything that beats PiS out of office is probably good.


Another enlightened human being, I see.

Korwin-Mikke has about as much to do with enlightening as a burnt-out lightbulb.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:52 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Nakena wrote:I do of course support Janusz Korwin-Mikke.

Other than that anything that beats PiS out of office is probably good.


Another enlightened human being, I see.


Indeed, hes the true patrician choice.

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Postby Crylante » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:54 am

I quite like Razem, but Wiosna is just fine.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:22 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What's KO? Is that another name for PO?

Yes and no.

KO (Koalicja Obywatelska) is a coalition made out of PO, Nowoczesna and Zieloni, in which PO seems to be the main party.

Oh, okay. Please excuse my ignorance, I'm not very familiar with Polish politics (Polishtics?).
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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:29 am

Do the rest of the EU a favor and finally proceed with that much-discussed Polexit referendum so that we'll have a clear verdict by the Polish peole on the matter and can, in one way or another, stop listening to PiS' whiny BS.

Not that I expect it mind, the Polish gov is too smart for that, but it would be a favor.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:10 pm

Kowani wrote:No PolandBall jokes? I am disappointed. :p


"Poland Can Into Democracy" was my first choice for a title, but I decided against it.
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Postby Neko-koku » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:14 pm

PO needs to be elected.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:33 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Kowani wrote:No PolandBall jokes? I am disappointed. :p


"Poland Can Into Democracy" was my first choice for a title, but I decided against it.

Whyyyy?
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:37 pm

Kowani wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
"Poland Can Into Democracy" was my first choice for a title, but I decided against it.

Whyyyy?


I wasn't sure that NSG's Poles would be all that amused. There's more Poles here than one might think.
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Postby Nakena » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:40 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Another enlightened human being, I see.

Korwin-Mikke has about as much to do with enlightening as a burnt-out lightbulb.


Absolutly plebeian perception.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:42 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Kowani wrote:Whyyyy?


I wasn't sure that NSG's Poles would be all that amused. There's more Poles here than one might think.

That’s…yeah, that’s fair.


Dammit. :p
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:16 am

Well, the major parties are now forming electoral alliance to try to bolster their chances, and the lists are all but complete, so here's a look at the coalitions running:

KO(Civic Coalition): including PO, .N(.Modern), Polish Initiative, Greens, RAS(Silesian Autonomy Movement), and a few NGOs
Polish Coalition: includes PSL, Kukiz' 15, UED(Union of European Democrats), SD(Alliance of Democrats), SP(Labour Party), and Silesians Together
SLD: includes SLD, Wiosna, and Lewica Razem
Confederation: includes KORWiN and RN(National Movement)

I'm not going to change the polls yet because the parties themselves are still expected to do as well as before.
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:21 am

Wiosna forever. It is about time that this fundamentalist winter is ended once and for all, and everyone knows that after the winter blizzard and season ends, Spring shall arrive. And anyone that supports LGBT rights in spite of state-sponsored terrorism being conducted against them is a hero in my book.

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Postby Shrillland » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:29 am

Oh, and here's how the coalitions look in the current poll averages if we merge the parties together:

PiS: 45.5%
KO: 27.5%
SLD Coalition: 13.5%
Polish Coalition: 9.5%
Confederation: Below Threshold at 4%

So, still a commanding PiS majority(at least 265 seats) bordering on constitutional territory.
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:35 am

Shrillland wrote:Oh, and here's how the coalitions look in the current poll averages if we merge the parties together:

PiS: 45.5%
KO: 27.5%
SLD Coalition: 13.5%
Polish Coalition: 9.5%
Confederation: Below Threshold at 4%

So, still a commanding PiS majority bordering on constitutional territory.

Ugh, that's awful. Even with KO and SLD coalitions joined, PiS has a significant lead.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:37 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Oh, and here's how the coalitions look in the current poll averages if we merge the parties together:

PiS: 45.5%
KO: 27.5%
SLD Coalition: 13.5%
Polish Coalition: 9.5%
Confederation: Below Threshold at 4%

So, still a commanding PiS majority bordering on constitutional territory.

Ugh, that's awful. Even with KO and SLD coalitions joined, PiS has a significant lead.


Worse still, the "where" votes, as opposed to "who" votes, is still more or less the same as before: PiS is leading slightly less in the West, more in the East, but strong nationwide, hence so many seats last time. I honestly think they'll get enough to possibly amend the constitution like their ideological cousins and V4 partners in Hungary.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:41 am

Any news from Korwin-Mikke?
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:35 pm

Nakena wrote:Any news from Korwin-Mikke?


Nothing on their front, no. It's mostly news about PiS and the Polish Coalition today.
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:03 am

Kaczynski is once again condemning the "travelling theatre" that is Pride: https://www.yahoo.com/news/polands-kaczynski-condemns-gay-pride-140258259.html

And this is the pet cause that he's going to win the election with...
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:25 am

Shrillland wrote:Kaczynski is once again condemning the "travelling theatre" that is Pride: https://www.yahoo.com/news/polands-kaczynski-condemns-gay-pride-140258259.html

And this is the pet cause that he's going to win the election with...

What a reasonable enlightened person.


Wait.
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