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Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:08 pm**

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Where are you getting this theory from?

Instead of quoting 2015, you could at least be honest enough to use the June 2020 runoff vote:

Trzaskowski also did much better among Poles voting abroad, who tend to vote more liberal (with some exceptions, such as the United States, where Duda came first). Trzaskowski got 48 per cent of the foreign vote overall, compared to Duda’s 21 per cent. The breakdown varied between countries; among Poles in Britain, Trzaskowski came first with 48 per cent, with Duda third (behind Hołownia) with under 16 per cent.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/euro ... ski-runoff

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:10 pm**

New Rogernomics wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Where are you getting this theory from?
Instead of quoting 2015, you could at least be honest enough to use the June 2020 runoff vote:
Trzaskowski also did much better among Poles voting abroad, who tend to vote more liberal (with some exceptions, such as the United States, where Duda came first). Trzaskowski got 48 per cent of the foreign vote overall, compared to Duda’s 21 per cent. The breakdown varied between countries; among Poles in Britain, Trzaskowski came first with 48 per cent, with Duda third (behind Hołownia) with under 16 per cent.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/euro ... ski-runoff

Therefore using the last election as a bellwether is not advised. it could very well swing the election in Trzaskowski's favor

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:12 pm**

New Rogernomics wrote:Poland is already going to be dire economically because of Covid-19,

The International Monetary Fund cuts forecasts for global economic growth. According to the IMF, the pandemic has more negative effects on the world economy than previously thought, and the rebound will be slower than what was forecast in April. However, Poland is one of the few countries to which the IMF has not changed its forecast for 2020 or 2021.

New Rogernomics wrote:and political chaos and uncertainty

??

New Rogernomics wrote: coupled with extreme levels of government corruption,

Government corruption has gone down in each of the last 5 years that PiS has ruled.

New Rogernomics wrote: is not going to encourage outside investment or trade with Poland.

Same was said in 2015. Investment in 2019 was at record high. Trade was at record high. Don't think they need 'financial assistance'

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:13 pm**

New Rogernomics wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Where are you getting this theory from?
Instead of quoting 2015, you could at least be honest enough to use the June 2020 runoff vote:
Trzaskowski also did much better among Poles voting abroad, who tend to vote more liberal (with some exceptions, such as the United States, where Duda came first). Trzaskowski got 48 per cent of the foreign vote overall, compared to Duda’s 21 per cent. The breakdown varied between countries; among Poles in Britain, Trzaskowski came first with 48 per cent, with Duda third (behind Hołownia) with under 16 per cent.
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/euro ... ski-runoff

Now look at the turnout of first and second rounds in 2010 and 2015 before you speak

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:18 pm**

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Well, if Duda has his way Poland will be joining the Russian Federation soon enough (culturally if not politically), as Poland's ruling party will just grow more and more hostile to Germany and their other neighbors.
[...] Look, Russia lovers

Seems that went totally above your head. If you want to be in denial over how state homophobia, state propaganda, having no judicial independence, and having paranoia against western European human rights norms, is akin to Putin's Russia, then that's up to you.

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:24 pm**

New Rogernomics wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:[...] Look, Russia lovers
Seems that went totally above your head. If you want to be in denial over how state homophobia, state propaganda, having no judicial independence, and having paranoia against western European human rights norms, is akin to Putin's Russia, then that's up to you.

So, San Marino is basically Putin's Russia?

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:24 pm**

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/09/poland-presidential-election-pro-eu-hopeful-rafal-trzaskowski-neck-and-neck-with-incumbent election is too close to call with the most recent polls. Warsaw Mayor Rafal Tzaskowski leads by the narrowest of margins heading into the sunday runoff. If the incumbent lost it would be huge blow to the populist and nationalist movement in Europe

do you think that people across europe hold hands and decide what to vote together or something

Yeah, 'yuuuge' is an overstatement. However, Putin's & Xi's antisocial media trolls do have feelings, and defeats can only be bad for their morale.

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:25 pm**

Polandbros gonna pull through for the between seas project tonight

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:36 pm**

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote: Seems that went totally above your head. If you want to be in denial over how state homophobia, state propaganda, having no judicial independence, and having paranoia against western European human rights norms, is akin to Putin's Russia, then that's up to you.

So, San Marino is basically Putin's Russia?

Amusing how you quote a place where people have anti-discrimination protections to protect them that are actively enforced, and where civil unions exist, unlike Poland or Russia.

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:05 pm**

New Rogernomics wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
So, San Marino is basically Putin's Russia?
Amusing how you quote a place where people have anti-discrimination protections to protect them that are actively enforced, and where civil unions exist, unlike Poland or Russia.

So the anti-discrimination protections that are actively enforced are phantom in Poland? Or is it the de facto civil unions which are phantom? Or both?

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:32 pm**

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Well, if Duda has his way Poland will be joining the Russian Federation soon enough (culturally if not politically), as Poland's ruling party will just grow more and more hostile to Germany and their other neighbors.

I assume your knowledge of Polish-Russian relations is basically zero.

I'm fairly sure the average Polish person wouldn't piss on a Russian to extinguish them from a fire.

Look, Russia lovers

What the hell did Putin do to piss off Jordan?

Posted: **Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:53 pm**

Thermodolia wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
I assume your knowledge of Polish-Russian relations is basically zero.

I'm fairly sure the average Polish person wouldn't piss on a Russian to extinguish them from a fire.

Look, Russia lovers

What the hell did Putin do to piss off Jordan?

tldr jordan-syria relations, which are very bad

and putin + syria = homies

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:16 am**

Well, it looks like Duda's won by just under 500,000 votes.

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:18 am**

With 99.97% of the votes counted, Andrzej Duda has defeated Rafał Trzaskowski by a vote margin of just under 500,000! It is a sad day for liberal proponents of European integration but it is important to remember that it is highly unlikely Duda will support Polexit, instead he will just oppose further integration. Not that that is good but a lot of people think this is worse than what it really is.

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:47 am**

Shrillland wrote:Well, it looks like Duda's won by just under 500,000 votes.

What a shame

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:07 am**

Second round results are out.

Andrzej Duda becomes the first President in Polish history to receive over 10 million votes. No referendum (except 1987 referendum to leave the Soviet bloc and become a democracy) or legislative election in Polish history yielded more votes for any mandate or question than that of Andrzej Duda to become President.

This election also has the second highest turnout of any election in Poland since 1989 at 69%. A typical Polish election hovers around 50-55%. This one was polarised as hell.

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:09 am**

Since the results are in, all I can say is: so what? It doesn’t change a thing for us Silesians. The gorole (non-Silesians, mostly in Warsaw) will continue to persecute our nationality and our culture, rob us of our industry, and impose their people as leaders of our towns and cities, thus causing us further degredation.

At this point, we Silesians shouldn’t worry about elections in Poland. They’re meaningless for us. Instead Silesia should do all it can to leave the mess/dumpster fire that is Poland. Autonomy, transfer, or even secession, anything to leave Poland.

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:13 am**

Katovice wrote:Since the results are in, all I can say is: so what? It doesn’t change a thing for us Silesians.

Strictly speaking, it doesn't 'change' anything for anybody. It's just business as normal for next 5 years, as it was for the last 5.

Katovice wrote:At this point, we Silesians shouldn’t worry about elections in Poland. They’re meaningless for us. Instead Silesia should do all it can to leave the mess/dumpster fire that is Poland. Autonomy, transfer, or even secession, anything to leave Poland.

Might want to look at the map again, most Silesians voted for Duda.

And last I recall, the Silesian localist party received around 2% of the vote in Silesia (0.08% overall) in the 2019 legislative election, while the secessionist party received an astounding 211 votes.

After all, https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejmik_Wo ... #Prezydium, the Silesian local parties don't even get enough votes to get 1 seat in the local assembly of Silesia.

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:35 am**

Katovice wrote:Since the results are in, all I can say is: so what? It doesn’t change a thing for us Silesians. The gorole (non-Silesians, mostly in Warsaw) will continue to persecute our nationality and our culture, rob us of our industry, and impose their people as leaders of our towns and cities, thus causing us further degredation.

At this point, we Silesians shouldn’t worry about elections in Poland. They’re meaningless for us. Instead Silesia should do all it can to leave the mess/dumpster fire that is Poland. Autonomy, transfer, or even secession, anything to leave Poland.

Can't say I blame folks wanting to leave Poland. Historically Poland has been a mess for the 20th century to today, as it has gone from being divided by the Nazis and Communists, to being controlled by Communists, and now it is turning into some psuedo-fascist authoritarian regime. With so many Poles against liberal democracy and internationalism, I don't see how anything positive can happen. The only winners are Duda's supporters presumingly, and the rest of Poland i.e. around 49% will just have to stare into the abyss and hope some day the rest come to their senses. So many decades, and at worst another whole century.

Poland should turn out some great dark movies this year and into next, as the "gay propaganda" and "anti-Jewish" censors come out and do their work. The joke in our family is that if it is dark it likely comes from Poland or is imitating Polish cinema.

Like one movie I saw based after WW2, where you think an American GI and a Polish woman will have a nice relationship and marry. Then instantly it cuts to black, and it is 20 years later, and everyone dies unhappy and alone. Polish cinema doesn't go for happy endings. xD

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:37 am**

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Katovice wrote:Since the results are in, all I can say is: so what? It doesn’t change a thing for us Silesians.

Strictly speaking, it doesn't 'change' anything for anybody. It's just business as normal for next 5 years, as it was for the last 5.

Katovice wrote:At this point, we Silesians shouldn’t worry about elections in Poland. They’re meaningless for us. Instead Silesia should do all it can to leave the mess/dumpster fire that is Poland. Autonomy, transfer, or even secession, anything to leave Poland.

Might want to look at the map again, most Silesians voted for Duda.

And last I recall, the Silesian localist party received around 2% of the vote in Silesia (0.08% overall) in the 2019 legislative election, while the secessionist party received an astounding 211 votes.

After all, https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejmik_Wo ... #Prezydium, the Silesian local parties don't even get enough votes to get 1 seat in the local assembly of Silesia.

Hardly surprising, considering the non-stop occupation after 1945. Poles replaced Silesians in all government positions. Silesians were prohibited from holding executive positions. There were massive population transfers of Poles into Silesia to break up the native/local communities. These deliberately-caused events happened non-stop from 1945-1990. After 1990, the pattern was set (and the number of native Silesians so reduced) that the Poles merely need to keep the status quo.

It’s like saying that the colonial administration doesn’t reflect the natives’ interests. Really? Who would have thought!

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:56 am**

if description is somewhat accurate, the ‘moderate’, wheeler dealer president held the role and not the ‘liberal’, civic candidate.

i send my condolences, europe gets filled with mafia lobbies, hungry rulers, we all have to struggle to be in peace and not insulted in our daily lives.

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:06 am**

Duda’s stance on China is a bit questionable, he did excuse China of botching the coronavirus

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:08 am**

By the way, for all you Western conservatives, the opposition guy was socially conservative and economically liberal, plus he didn’t suck up to China

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:11 am**

Aureumterra wrote:By the way, for all you Western conservatives, the opposition guy was socially conservative and economically liberal, plus he didn’t suck up to China

I would have preferred the incumbent lost

Posted: **Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:12 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:By the way, for all you Western conservatives, the opposition guy was socially conservative and economically liberal, plus he didn’t suck up to China

I would have preferred the incumbent lost

You said it like three times bro

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