The Polska Electoral Polka(A Polish Election Thread)

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Great, I’d love to see more from the PiS government

[New Bremerton]

It's a shame Duda and PiS won. So-called LGBT-free zones and the country's souring relations with Israel and rising antisemitism are problematic. The continuing slide toward a one-party-dominant, illiberal democracy a la Hungary and Singapore is likely to continue apace. Let's just hope Poland doesn't align with Russia, or worse, China. God forbid.

[New Rogernomics]

It's a shame Duda and PiS won. So-called LGBT-free zones and the country's souring relations with Israel and rising antisemitism are problematic. The continuing slide toward a one-party-dominant, illiberal democracy a la Hungary and Singapore is likely to continue apace. Let's just hope Poland doesn't align with Russia, or worse, China. God forbid.

Liberal democracy is getting a hammering by extremists, who are taking advantage of people's fears and paranoia, in many countries right now. Poland is going to not 'align', but instead change their political system to match more like Russia, as Duda has publicly expressed that the Polish government should crack down on the LGBT community - and what we've seen in other countries equally homophobic is it being used as a pretext to imprison political opponents and not just LGBT activists. At minimum this election is like the Turkish one, as Poland is effectively a tyranny of the majority that suppresses the rights of minority groups to the benefit of the supporters of the government. Poland will have to accept Chinese loans, as it is unlikely to survive on nationalism alone. Duda is bound to have a miraculous turn around and praise China when Covid is over with, and all those benefits and incentives he promised need to be paid for.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

It's a shame Duda and PiS won. So-called LGBT-free zones and the country's souring relations with Israel and rising antisemitism are problematic. The continuing slide toward a one-party-dominant, illiberal democracy a la Hungary and Singapore is likely to continue apace. Let's just hope Poland doesn't align with Russia, or worse, China. God forbid.

Rising anti-Semitism, you have to be taking the piss with this one. Need I remind you that Hebrews and Poles suffered greatly under German and Soviet occupation to such an extent that it still shapes conversations relating to modern day Germany. Mainstream Polish conservatives would never associate themselves with such a thing due to a deep historical background. Questioning Israel shouldn’t be considered problematic, especially with the human rights/territorial violations that we’re supposed to just ignore for no reason.
Thinking the entire world revolves around a Liberal V Illiberal ‘struggle’ is a misconception, it’s a fabrications to ensure that baseless divisions exist in a post-coldwar world. A tool to demonize people who want the Government to serve them and not the other way around, aka Populists. I’d rather live in a one party Democratic Republic, if they get the job done; Endless multi party coalitions are a bastardization of politics or transparency.

Poland isn’t aligning with Russia, Poland has been at the forefront of the three seas initiative which completely contradicts Russia’s sphere and interests. If you truly want to see Pro-Russia, look at Merkels Germany. Stasi ties, does nothing when Russia infringes and attempts to hack her. Supports Nordstream. If you look at track record you’ll see that the Pro-Russia paranoia is unfounded.

[New Bremerton]

It's a shame Duda and PiS won. So-called LGBT-free zones and the country's souring relations with Israel and rising antisemitism are problematic. The continuing slide toward a one-party-dominant, illiberal democracy a la Hungary and Singapore is likely to continue apace. Let's just hope Poland doesn't align with Russia, or worse, China. God forbid.

Rising anti-Semitism, you have to be taking the piss with this one. Need I remind you that Hebrews and Poles suffered greatly under German and Soviet occupation to such an extent that it still shapes conversations relating to modern day Germany. Mainstream Polish conservatives would never associate themselves with such a thing due to a deep historical background. Questioning Israel shouldn’t be considered problematic, especially with the human rights/territorial violations that we’re supposed to just ignore for no reason.
Thinking the entire world revolves around a Liberal V Illiberal ‘struggle’ is a misconception, it’s a fabrications to ensure that baseless divisions exist in a post-coldwar world. A tool to demonize people who want the Government to serve them and not the other way around, aka Populists. I’d rather live in a one party Democratic Republic, if they get the job done; Endless multi party coalitions are a bastardization of politics or transparency.

Poland isn’t aligning with Russia, Poland has been at the forefront of the three seas initiative which completely contradicts Russia’s sphere and interests. If you truly want to see Pro-Russia, look at Merkels Germany. Stasi ties, does nothing when Russia infringes and attempts to hack her. Supports Nordstream. If you look at track record you’ll see that the Pro-Russia paranoia is unfounded.

Poland sought to pass an anti-free speech law that would have criminalized charges of Polish complicity in the Holocaust against the Jewish people with a jail term of up to three years. Israel objected very strongly and the bill was subsequently watered down.

Here's a link.

[New Rogernomics]

Rising anti-Semitism, you have to be taking the piss with this one. Need I remind you that Hebrews and Poles suffered greatly under German and Soviet occupation to such an extent that it still shapes conversations relating to modern day Germany. Mainstream Polish conservatives would never associate themselves with such a thing due to a deep historical background. Questioning Israel shouldn’t be considered problematic, especially with the human rights/territorial violations that we’re supposed to just ignore for no reason.

Mainstream Polish conservatives are to the right of every conservative party in Europe, short of Hungary. The State broadcaster also publicly endorses anti-semetic Soros conspiracy theories, and major politicians have no qualms using such language to target their political opponents. It isn't unfair to put forward that Poland is becoming more anti-semetic, when anti-semetic tropes are permissible by major politicians and state media in Poland. Opposition to reparations is one thing, though making anti-semetic language more publicly acceptable isn't good for any government.

Thinking the entire world revolves around a Liberal V Illiberal ‘struggle’ is a misconception, it’s a fabrications to ensure that baseless divisions exist in a post-coldwar world.

Social liberalism and classical liberalism and is threatened by a rise of social authoritarianism and religious extremism. Governments exist that are authoritarian, but still follow classical liberalism i.e. political dissent and opposition, and freedom of speech, freedom of religion, is permissible, and to undermine those freedoms is corrosive and destructive to society. Singapore is an example of that, as they accept opposition even though it effectively a one-party state politically. Though the Polish and Hungarian political parties, oppose this order, arguing that political opposition should be eliminated, through whatever means, and some 'traditionalist' order imposed to keep society in-line.

The counter-narrative that is agreed within mainstream conservatives in most countries is that classical liberalism is under threat by social authoritarians on the left, meaning LGBT activists, Antifa, and so on, in their push for an end to 'hate speech' and intolerance in society. Poland seems to have taken this to a whole other level, as they haven't moved the argument away from being against same-sex marriage and civil unions, and are determined to be against even that basic level of civil support in society, and want to pass laws against free speech i.e. 'anti-LGBT propaganda laws', bar human rights organizations, and put in place a holy war narrative against their political opponents.

A tool to demonize people who want the Government to serve them and not the other way around, aka Populists. I’d rather live in a one party Democratic Republic, if they get the job done; Endless multi party coalitions are a bastardization of politics or transparency.

Populism is another word for 'tyranny of the majority', if it is used to persecute ethnic/religious/sexual minorities and undermine their human rights. One party states can exist without doing that, even if there are minimal actual political rights - though Poland and Hungary would not meet that category because they exist by social antagonism, a fortress mentality, and extreme nationalism, all combined into one political platform. Without social strife the Polish government could not exist pretty much, so if opposition exists it does so they have a scapegoat to run against i.e. like Goldstein in 1984. You won't see Poland's government locking up all their political opponents, but only enough to keep the opposition weak and under wraps. Rhetoric will be less the more secure the government is, and right now 49% of voters don't support the government. They need to bring folks more into line for next time, which explains the really harsh rhetoric.

Poland isn’t aligning with Russia, Poland has been at the forefront of the three seas initiative which completely contradicts Russia’s sphere and interests. If you truly want to see Pro-Russia, look at Merkels Germany. Stasi ties, does nothing when Russia infringes and attempts to hack her. Supports Nordstream. If you look at track record you’ll see that the Pro-Russia paranoia is unfounded.

It is aligning socially and politically with Russia, as far as how they organize their country. Two countries can still be opposed to each other and share the same ideology, as that's where extreme nationalism, border disputes, and historical grievances come into play. That said, I don't think Poland and Russia being at loggerheads, and Trump trying to push his way in to make it worse by deploying more US forces in Poland, will help.

Merkel is pretty pro-Russia, but she is also a member of a conservative party, which seems for years to have adopted the position that no price is too high for a trade deal, even situations like Hong Kong have barely given her pause when trading with China or Russia. She resents the Russian sanctions, though she is well on her way out of German politics. That said, Merkel and Putin couldn't be more ideologically opposed to each other, with Merkel representing a multi-party democracy with free elections and mounting support for LGBT rights, and Putin representing a socially-stagnant traditionalist political order that may have changed from communist to more religious, and permitted some political freedom, but at a really minimal extent.

[Nuroblav]

Well I sure do hope the current president doesn't get elected

I'm wondering which party would be closest to my views? Probably one of The Left parties but it's a tough choice between them (my guess is that it would be Left Together but it's hard to tell).

[Aureumterra]

Well I sure do hope the current president doesn't get elected

I'm wondering which party would be closest to my views? Probably one of The Left parties but it's a tough choice between them (my guess is that it would be Left Together but it's hard to tell).

He already got re elected

[San Lumen]

Well I sure do hope the current president doesn't get elected

I'm wondering which party would be closest to my views? Probably one of The Left parties but it's a tough choice between them (my guess is that it would be Left Together but it's hard to tell).

Unfortunately he was.

[Phoenicaea]

pardon, i forgot how does poland state institutionally come along. is it semi-presidential (as israel premiership), or not-presidential (as austria)?

i suppose despite popular vote, it is not presidential, either unitary or province based (as france, or argentina respectively).

[Shrillland]

pardon, i forgot how does poland state institutionally come along. is it semi-presidential (as israel premiership), or not-presidential (as austria)?

i suppose despite popular vote, it is not presidential, either unitary or province based (as france, or argentina respectively).

Semi-presidential and provincially based. The Presidency isn't completely powerless, but it's not as powerful as France or the US.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Rising anti-Semitism, you have to be taking the piss with this one. Need I remind you that Hebrews and Poles suffered greatly under German and Soviet occupation to such an extent that it still shapes conversations relating to modern day Germany. Mainstream Polish conservatives would never associate themselves with such a thing due to a deep historical background. Questioning Israel shouldn’t be considered problematic, especially with the human rights/territorial violations that we’re supposed to just ignore for no reason.

Mainstream Polish conservatives are to the right of every conservative party in Europe, short of Hungary. The State broadcaster also publicly endorses anti-semetic Soros conspiracy theories, and major politicians have no qualms using such language to target their political opponents. It isn't unfair to put forward that Poland is becoming more anti-semetic, when anti-semetic tropes are permissible by major politicians and state media in Poland. Opposition to reparations is one thing, though making anti-semetic language more publicly acceptable isn't good for any government.

Thinking the entire world revolves around a Liberal V Illiberal ‘struggle’ is a misconception, it’s a fabrications to ensure that baseless divisions exist in a post-coldwar world.

Social liberalism and classical liberalism and is threatened by a rise of social authoritarianism and religious extremism. Governments exist that are authoritarian, but still follow classical liberalism i.e. political dissent and opposition, and freedom of speech, freedom of religion, is permissible, and to undermine those freedoms is corrosive and destructive to society. Singapore is an example of that, as they accept opposition even though it effectively a one-party state politically. Though the Polish and Hungarian political parties, oppose this order, arguing that political opposition should be eliminated, through whatever means, and some 'traditionalist' order imposed to keep society in-line.

The counter-narrative that is agreed within mainstream conservatives in most countries is that classical liberalism is under threat by social authoritarians on the left, meaning LGBT activists, Antifa, and so on, in their push for an end to 'hate speech' and intolerance in society. Poland seems to have taken this to a whole other level, as they haven't moved the argument away from being against same-sex marriage and civil unions, and are determined to be against even that basic level of civil support in society, and want to pass laws against free speech i.e. 'anti-LGBT propaganda laws', bar human rights organizations, and put in place a holy war narrative against their political opponents.

A tool to demonize people who want the Government to serve them and not the other way around, aka Populists. I’d rather live in a one party Democratic Republic, if they get the job done; Endless multi party coalitions are a bastardization of politics or transparency.

Populism is another word for 'tyranny of the majority', if it is used to persecute ethnic/religious/sexual minorities and undermine their human rights. One party states can exist without doing that, even if there are minimal actual political rights - though Poland and Hungary would not meet that category because they exist by social antagonism, a fortress mentality, and extreme nationalism, all combined into one political platform. Without social strife the Polish government could not exist pretty much, so if opposition exists it does so they have a scapegoat to run against i.e. like Goldstein in 1984. You won't see Poland's government locking up all their political opponents, but only enough to keep the opposition weak and under wraps. Rhetoric will be less the more secure the government is, and right now 49% of voters don't support the government. They need to bring folks more into line for next time, which explains the really harsh rhetoric.

Poland isn’t aligning with Russia, Poland has been at the forefront of the three seas initiative which completely contradicts Russia’s sphere and interests. If you truly want to see Pro-Russia, look at Merkels Germany. Stasi ties, does nothing when Russia infringes and attempts to hack her. Supports Nordstream. If you look at track record you’ll see that the Pro-Russia paranoia is unfounded.

It is aligning socially and politically with Russia, as far as how they organize their country. Two countries can still be opposed to each other and share the same ideology, as that's where extreme nationalism, border disputes, and historical grievances come into play. That said, I don't think Poland and Russia being at loggerheads, and Trump trying to push his way in to make it worse by deploying more US forces in Poland, will help.

Merkel is pretty pro-Russia, but she is also a member of a conservative party, which seems for years to have adopted the position that no price is too high for a trade deal, even situations like Hong Kong have barely given her pause when trading with China or Russia. She resents the Russian sanctions, though she is well on her way out of German politics. That said, Merkel and Putin couldn't be more ideologically opposed to each other, with Merkel representing a multi-party democracy with free elections and mounting support for LGBT rights, and Putin representing a socially-stagnant traditionalist political order that may have changed from communist to more religious, and permitted some political freedom, but at a really minimal extent.

I don't see being to the right as an inherently bad thing, especially in Europe when most 'Conservatives' are just right leaning centrists who still get demonised by the media. Labelling discussions around George Soros as instantly 'anti-Semetic' is plain ludicrous, especially considering his personal role in the holocaust and how it was 'the best years of his life'. Soros & his foundation is an extremely influential thing, some of the financing put into projects for disabilities and such are positive yet we can't ignore his political influence and lobbying. His own interest boards have had many leading political figures, ignoring such a fact is delusional. Anti-Hebrew rhetoric in Poland, of all places, makes no sense - another Russian spun narrative that Eastern Europeans are 'Facisitic Neo-Nazis'. Denying the holocaust is illegal in Poland.

Hybrid regimes exist, yet Hungary and Poland are not hybrid regimes. The fact that the Pro-EU opposition could nearly take the presidency, form an all encompassing coalition just like PiS and have held power on numerous occasions disproves the thought that somehow opposition is being oppressed. If anything the opposition acts undemocratically and against national interests, backing German EU ideals violates sovereignty and national interests. The dominance of PiS is a mere result of the internal corruption within Civic Platform.

From where I'm from Populists have an invested interests in preserving minority groups, traditional and ancient Catholic communities. The needs of the majority must be adhered to, just because Populists refuse to put minority groups on a special status pedestal in society doesn't mean they're being oppressed. That's life, liking the same sex doesn't make you special and making it a political/personality trait just encourages pretentiousness. It is the Governments job enforce the law, not put special privilege groups over it while alienating them.

Even if Poland is adapting some characteristics from Russia, who's fault was it?
You spend decades living under the delusion that liberal pro-EU economics and politics is going to help you, you believe the unbelievable lies politicians constantly regurgitate. The borders open, the markets open without restriction, former national assets are re-distributed to both western competitors and privet oligarch interests, former job-givers go bust over better western competition. You see the largest demographic decline and brain drain in history, the largest unemployment rates. And straight after all of that you get an austerity-tax-pumped recession for years to come, the minimum wage goes nowhere and now suddenly you are both culturally and financially worse off.
Do you really think that we're some sort of evil brutes that just want to kill jews and gays? This was created by the liberalism you love, clearly corrupt liberal parties that have enriched themselves at the expense of others. Liberalism, multi-party politics, it has failed in it's intended pursuit and purpose within Eastern Europe and you fail to acknowledge it - instead of thinking about the average person liberals still fixate on gays or whatever other brownie-point scoring electorate they can get.

Populism & Conservatism are the future you have fostered, as long as EU's Bureaucracy remains and as long as Germany reigns supreme within Europe it will snowball more and more.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

By the way, for all you Western conservatives, the opposition guy was socially conservative and economically liberal, plus he didn’t suck up to China

Actually this is the funnniest part - western liberals cheering for the liberal candidate.

The liberal candidate still opposes adoption by gay couples, same sex marriage and whatnot. Not on political grounds, but on personal moral beliefs.

The most fun part here is that the liberal candidate is even more anti-gay than the incumbent conservative president. The conservative President simply seeks to maintain the peaceful status quo in society, no movement towards marriage - which he believes is a purely religious sacrament - and no movement towards undesirable changes in how abnormal behaviour is celebrated. Everyone is assumed to be white, everyone is assumed to be middle class, everyone is assumed to be straight, and everyone is assumed to be Polish. Regardless if you're not, or Ukrainian, or poor or wealthy. No questions asked, that's how it should be. He doesn't want people parading around with rainbow flags, because it is to the benefit of nobody.

The conservative President believes that gays can exist perfectly well in Polish society, in private, just like the private lives of everyone else. They do not need marriage, which is a purely religious union of no economic or social benefits in Poland beyond name only, and they do not need special rights above everyone else. They get the same discrimination protections as everyone else, they can serve in the military like everyone else, work and buy homes as a couple like everyone else, et cetera. They simply do not need to be treated specially, or be given special rights like a non-religious marriage. He doesn't think Poland should have extra migrants, because Poland doesn't need them. As a society, Poland is perfectly well balanced, and there is no need to change it, especially for useless non-reasons like diversity which has no benefits.

On the other hand you have this liberal guy, who outright believes that real love cannot exist between two same sex people, and they cannot be loving parents, but he supports things like civil unions for homosexuals and refugees for brownie points.

As a person, the conservative President is several times more tolerant than the liberal candidate. Because the conservative guy seeing a gay guy on the street wouldn't care, he just doesn't want him to act differently to everybody else, he would still treat him as he would treat everyone else, and he doesn't see the gay guy as any less of a person than himself. On the other hand you have this liberal dude, who wants to give all sorts of rights to that gay guy on the street, as long as that gay guy stays far away from him and doesn't look at him let alone touch him. You know, exist, do whatever you want in your life, just away from me.

[New Rogernomics]

You spend decades living under the delusion that liberal pro-EU economics and politics is going to help you, you believe the unbelievable lies politicians constantly regurgitate. The borders open, the markets open without restriction, former national assets are re-distributed to both western competitors and privet oligarch interests, former job-givers go bust over better western competition. You see the largest demographic decline and brain drain in history, the largest unemployment rates. And straight after all of that you get an austerity-tax-pumped recession for years to come, the minimum wage goes nowhere and now suddenly you are both culturally and financially worse off.

Yeah, about that. Free market competition and tariff-free policy is the best way to run an economy, and the EU as it now is too protectionist for my tastes. If the EU spent less money protecting French farmers, and reformed labor policy, the EU would be in a much better situation. As for the future, a lot of folks who favor protectionism tend to forget that tariffs and closed markets made the great depression far more destructive, and as well-meaning as protectionists might be - trying to protect failing sectors of an economy rather than supporting successful areas is not a good strategy for keeping and creating jobs. Austerity I'll agree is poor policy, though the problem for the EU is a lot of nations have been bad at managing their finances and run to ECB when they can't take responsibility. Germany is viewed by a lot as the 'evil banker' of Europe, and their taxpayers are sick of bailing out the rest of the EU, though if the EU is to survive German taxpayers might have to give far more than they'd want to so that the EU pulls out of recession.

Do you really think that we're some sort of evil brutes that just want to kill jews and gays?

Putin doesn't want to kill gays, and Orban and Duda don't want to kill Jews, as all these groups are just political scapegoats to retain political power, and outside of their political rhetoric they don't care about them either way. They'd never go that far, or be directly involved, as they'd get called out. Besides, far-right extremists can do it for them indirectly. Putin doesn't need to ring up Chechnya, and the strongman there doesn't need to send a command to beat up the gays - as they know what is expected of them.

This was created by the liberalism you love, clearly corrupt liberal parties that have enriched themselves at the expense of others. Liberalism, multi-party politics, it has failed in it's intended pursuit and purpose within Eastern Europe and you fail to acknowledge it - instead of thinking about the average person liberals still fixate on gays or whatever other brownie-point scoring electorate they can get.

Nah. Can't push it that easily. Europe has always had an underbelly of homophobia, racism, and antisemitic, that goes back centuries. Poland never had time for a liberal civil society to develop, which is the same with Hungary. If you look at the recent election map, you see a deeply divided Poland, one part leans west and the other part leans towards traditionalism and extreme nationalism. I am under no illusions, even in Germany - as the area with the most far-right extremists was ruled by a communist dictatorship for a considerable amount of time. I don't trust communists, fascists, or the far-right/far-left in Europe, as they all will lead Europe in the wrong direction. You talk of corrupt liberal parties, though extremism and extreme nationalism isn't a solution, and is a dead-end. All that did in the past was start two world wars, the first between two major camps of empires that believed their own fantastical war victory fiction, and the second as revenge/retribution by the losers of the first one. When the far-right or far-left take power, they always accomplish building a system far more corrupt and dysfunctional than what they started with. The mistake was believing that people had changed in their mindsets, and not looking to bring those left behind into the 21st century, which is a mistake that Democrats paid for in 2016, and Labour and the Conservatives in the UK paid for with Brexit.

Populism & Conservatism are the future you have fostered, as long as EU's Bureaucracy remains and as long as Germany reigns supreme within Europe it will snowball more and more.

I've never been deep into EU enlargement. The European Union should have federalized with a smaller group of nations, rather than tried branching out into countries that would resent a federalized EU and a changing of expectations in membership. Poland and Hungary were not ready for EU membership, as they are ideologically opposed to social reform i.e. same-sex marriage, adoption, and anything in that area, and ultimately Poles and Hungarians aren't to blame for that, and are ironically justified in not complying with Brussels - as when they joined substantial social reform wasn't a expectation for membership. France and Germany really created a fifth column in the EU's ranks, and now they pretty much have to live with it - unless they find a way to cut the budget or if Poland and Hungary leave on their own accord.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Sad to see that Pis won but atleast it was close. Next time around pis might lose hopefuly.

[San Lumen]

Sad to see that Pis won but atleast it was close. Next time around pis might lose hopefuly.

I have doubts. Poland is rapidly sliding into authoritarianism

[Nuroblav]

I have doubts. Poland is rapidly sliding into authoritarianism

A shame really, especially given some of the...interesting views he has.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Sad to see that Pis won but atleast it was close. Next time around pis might lose hopefuly.

I have doubts. Poland is rapidly sliding into authoritarianism

Eh not really. Its just sldeing into more of the same anti sjw wet dream shit. There will still be a next time and people of Poland will most likely keep on pushing back against it.

[San Lumen]

I have doubts. Poland is rapidly sliding into authoritarianism

Eh not really. Its just sldeing into more of the same anti sjw wet dream shit. There will still be a next time and people of Poland will most likely keep on pushing back against it.

Really? Look at Hungary. It’s now impossible for the ruling party to lose power

[Phoenicaea]

_Shrilland, merci. i summoned it was not presidential quite at all, and ministers built through premiership alone.

so it worsens the event, and adds fuel for frauds. as when people of such dirty floor gets substantial elections, and they always do for scrap of votes.

it is not possible, for me to pass personal prejudice and idiosincracy of large, mafia fraud, if you see what they usually do and how they rule.

they claim elections for 0,2-0,4 or 1-2% each turn, always when they rule. then you see what they make and it brights your eyes they corrupted it.

we have as citizenry to bond each other and begin again to overthrow these people as anarchists did in old days, or common lives will worsen.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Eh not really. Its just sldeing into more of the same anti sjw wet dream shit. There will still be a next time and people of Poland will most likely keep on pushing back against it.

Really? Look at Hungary. It’s now impossible for the ruling party to lose power

Maybe because the alternatives, according to the people, are dogshit.

After all, why would Poland elect the opposition? Under this conservative government, they have the second lowest unemployment rate in Europe.



What a change 15 years makes.

[Ansarre]

Eh not really. Its just sldeing into more of the same anti sjw wet dream shit. There will still be a next time and people of Poland will most likely keep on pushing back against it.

Really? Look at Hungary. It’s now impossible for the ruling party to lose power

It is only impossible for Orban to lose power because he is popular. Fidesz polling average since the start of the year is like 52%.

[San Lumen]

Really? Look at Hungary. It’s now impossible for the ruling party to lose power

It is only impossible for Orban to lose power because he is popular. Fidesz polling average since the start of the year is like 52%.

Hes also gerrymandered the legislature so he can't lose and fractured the opposition.. 52 percent would get a him a easy majority

[Ansarre]

It is only impossible for Orban to lose power because he is popular. Fidesz polling average since the start of the year is like 52%.

Hes also gerrymandered the legislature so he can't lose and fractured the opposition.. 52 percent would get a him a easy majority

Doesn't look very Gerrymandered to me. And the opposition fractured themselves, it didn't have anything to do with Orban. Maybe if the opposition came together and ran single candidates against Orban in the FPTP constituencies they'd have a chance. As it stands, Fidesz won a large majority because the opposition split themselves.

[San Lumen]

Hes also gerrymandered the legislature so he can't lose and fractured the opposition.. 52 percent would get a him a easy majority

Doesn't look very Gerrymandered to me. And the opposition fractured themselves, it didn't have anything to do with Orban. Maybe if the opposition came together and ran single candidates against Orban in the FPTP constituencies they'd have a chance. As it stands, Fidesz won a large majority because the opposition split themselves.

Orban helped to do it and has also made the courts his lapdogs