Dating is at a Record Low: Another Dating Thread

[Saiwania]

yep, like i said me too movement/liberal oppression

The Conservative movement is meant to combat Liberalism such as that. If people don't like "me too" stuff, the solution is to switch to Conservatism. So far as policy goes, I'd recommend some turning back of the clock, maybe a revival of stricter gender roles like was the case in the old days. That is what could be aspired to.

[Crysuko]

yep, like i said me too movement/liberal oppression

The Conservative movement is meant to combat Liberalism such as that. If people don't like "me too" stuff, the solution is to switch to Conservatism. So far as policy goes, I'd recommend some turning back of the clock, maybe a revival of stricter gender roles like was the case in the old days. That is what could be aspired to.

The answer to one extreme isn't the other

[Scherzinger]

yep, like i said me too movement/liberal oppression

The Conservative movement is meant to combat Liberalism such as that. If people don't like "me too" stuff, the solution is to switch to Conservatism. So far as policy goes, I'd recommend some turning back of the clock, maybe a revival of stricter gender roles like was the case in the old days. That is what could be aspired to.

liberals who have drank the blue kool-aid for their whole lives arent gonna simply stop and find their common sense in their pocket or something. The faster people realise that there are 2 non-malleable genders and that men arent all animals who want in the pants, the faster the world can return to some form of happiness.

[Kassaran]

Or to find she's a raging misandrist wanting to accuse them of rape and assault

yep, like i said me too movement/liberal misandrist oppression

FTFY
Dating is probably just low because of how the various members in society work.
Women date up in social status if they can.
Men date across because they generally underestimate themselves.
There are exceptions, but with studies now coming out showing the incredibly competitive playing field for men versus women on dating sites, and how women appraise their own self-worth, the rule generally holds true.

[Xmara]

yep, like i said me too movement/liberal oppression

The Conservative movement is meant to combat Liberalism such as that. If people don't like "me too" stuff, the solution is to switch to Conservatism. So far as policy goes, I'd recommend some turning back of the clock, maybe a revival of stricter gender roles like was the case in the old days. That is what could be aspired to.

Define "stricter gender roles"

[Farnhamia]

The Conservative movement is meant to combat Liberalism such as that. If people don't like "me too" stuff, the solution is to switch to Conservatism. So far as policy goes, I'd recommend some turning back of the clock, maybe a revival of stricter gender roles like was the case in the old days. That is what could be aspired to.

Define "stricter gender roles"

Hush now, men are talking.

[Melondonia]

I've never really been interested in dating. Not that I'm antisocial or asexual (not to my knowledge, anyway), I just prefer having friends. I wouldn't even know what to do on a date. Besides - my social skills are pretty awful. I'm either entirely too quiet or entirely too loud. I walk away from every conversation I have with a stranger, cursing myself (with euphemisms, because I'm pretty sure Christians aren't supposed to swear) for either having not said something or having said something I shouldn't have.


The people on this thread have made me feel really awful about how often I use technology rather than talking to people though, haha. The Nationstates forum is really good at keeping my ego to a minimum.

Also, why are we complaining about this, again? Because it will lead to a decline in birth rate? That sounds like a good thing - why on earth would we want a higher population than we already can't properly sustain?

[First American Empire]

In my opinion, there are 2 main reasons that dating/sex is so low

The Rise of Technology

Political Correctness/ The New liberal wave - also known as the me too movement

besides, remember, there is no longer a such thing as just a girl, because gender is malleable. Some men dont want to go find a woman and find out that its actually a guy

Or to find she's a raging misandrist wanting to accuse them of rape and assault

Deliberate false rape accusations are extremely rare. The vast majority of rape accusations are true, and of those that aren't, most are cases of mistaken identity rather than intentional lies.

If people want to get someone else in trouble, they don't pick the crime where 90% of guilty people go free due to "lack of evidence".

[Jack Thomas Lang]

Deliberate false rape accusations are extremely rare. The vast majority of rape accusations are true, and of those that aren't, most are cases of mistaken identity rather than intentional lies.

What's your evidence?

Because I wonder if this is a misunderstanding of the statistics. Just because only a small percentage of rape cases are proven to be false, does not mean that all other "muddier" accusations are true.

[Czechostan]

I'm from the midwestern US, and most of my friends (college aged) aren't dating. Part of it is lack of interest, another part is just business with academics and work.

I would attribute the decline of dating mainly to social isolation. People are just more atomized today and less likely to go out and meet people. A big part of this is technology: texting friends in group chats instead of getting together and going some place to talk, for instance. Or simply killing time by playing on the phone versus talking to people.

Technology doesn't solely disconnect people, though. I met my current girlfriend online. And I know other people who have created lasting friendships online. But in general, I am almost certain most people will say social media/dating sites have not helped their dating lives.

[First American Empire]

Deliberate false rape accusations are extremely rare. The vast majority of rape accusations are true, and of those that aren't, most are cases of mistaken identity rather than intentional lies.

What's your evidence?

Because I wonder if this is a misunderstanding of the statistics. Just because only a small percentage of rape cases are proven to be false, does not mean that all other "muddier" accusations are true.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... edirect=on

Scroll down to the section on false accusations An estimated 2%-10% of rape accusations are false. The rest are true. Incidents of false reporting do tend to be given disproportionate attention due to the "man bites dog" principle, but they're still really, really unlikely.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... edirect=on

Scroll down to the section on false accusations An estimated 2%-10% of rape accusations are false. The rest are true. Incidents of false reporting do tend to be given disproportionate attention due to the "man bites dog" principle, but they're still really, really unlikely.

I can't read it (damn subscriptions!). Can you quote it for me?

[Kowani]

The Conservative movement is meant to combat Liberalism such as that. If people don't like "me too" stuff, the solution is to switch to Conservatism. So far as policy goes, I'd recommend some turning back of the clock, maybe a revival of stricter gender roles like was the case in the old days. That is what could be aspired to.

liberals who have drank the blue kool-aid for their whole lives arent gonna simply stop and find their common sense in their pocket or something. The faster people realise that there are 2 non-malleable genders and that men arent all animals who want in the pants, the faster the world can return to some form of happiness.

“Only 2 genders”
God, I hate this bullshit.

[New haven america]

liberals who have drank the blue kool-aid for their whole lives arent gonna simply stop and find their common sense in their pocket or something. The faster people realise that there are 2 non-malleable genders and that men arent all animals who want in the pants, the faster the world can return to some form of happiness.

“Only 2 genders”
God, I hate this bullshit.

Ironically, saying that not all men want to fuck 24/7 is quite a liberal idea, as conservatives are quite fond of treating male sexuality as an all consuming predator that must be restricted at all times.

[Nakena]

“Only 2 genders”
God, I hate this bullshit.

Ironically, saying that not all men want to fuck 24/7 is quite a liberal idea, as conservatives are quite fond of treating male sexuality as an all consuming predator that must be restricted at all times.

And then theres the TERF theory that queers have been genetically engineered and created by a evil patriarchy to subvert and destroy feminist safe-spaces from within...

That sounds almost like an crazy anime plot. And ill be part of it!

[Kowani]

Ironically, saying that not all men want to fuck 24/7 is quite a liberal idea, as conservatives are quite fond of treating male sexuality as an all consuming predator that must be restricted at all times.

And then theres the TERF theory that queers have been genetically engineered and created by a evil patriarchy to subvert and destroy feminist safe-spaces from within...

That sounds almost like an crazy anime plot. And ill be part of it!

What in the name of fuck?

[Nakena]

And then theres the TERF theory that queers have been genetically engineered and created by a evil patriarchy to subvert and destroy feminist safe-spaces from within...

That sounds almost like an crazy anime plot. And ill be part of it!

What in the name of fuck?

I am not kidding you. TERFs actually believe this kind of nonsense.

[Kowani]

What in the name of fuck?

I am not kidding you. TERFs actually believe this kind of nonsense.

…That may be the stupidest idea I’ve heard.

[New haven america]

I am not kidding you. TERFs actually believe this kind of nonsense.

…That may be the stupidest idea I’ve heard.

They don't think so, they think they're fighting the patriarchy and keeping women safe from the horrors of men.

[Crysuko]

…That may be the stupidest idea I’ve heard.

They don't think so, they think they're fighting the patriarchy and keeping women safe from the horrors of men.

At least they're largely isolated to the internet where their wingnuttery is at worst an annoyance. No actual government would let those lunatics in knowingly.

[Costa Fierro]

Rejecting friendship with women just because they are women makes no sense.

Why are you assuming it's because they're women?

[Costa Fierro]

Why don't you want to be friends with the other 50% of the population? There's nothing bad about having more friends.

It's not that I personally don't want to be friends with women, it's that male friendships are simply better for men. If men value their friendships with other men rather than intimate relationships with women, then why exactly would men want to be friends with women?

Or to put it in a different manner: who would you want a friendship with? The person whom you feel most at ease with, or the one that you feel like having to meet certain expectations all the time? If I had the choice, I would choose the former.

So when the former happens to be male friendships, and there is clear advantages and benefits in this, it isn't wrong to make this judgement, it isn't even wrong to make the statement that male friendships should be the default choice for any man. It is common sense.

[Costa Fierro]

You definitely need to be friends with women for an intimate relationship. At least, a functional long-term intimate relationship where you don't dump kids into the foster system.

You don't though, that's the thing. A lot of people don't even want to find someone that they find to be like a friend, because friends lack the certain kind of intimacy necessary for a romantic relationship. You don't have children with a friend, you do with a partner/wife.

[Ghost Land]

In my opinion, there are 2 main reasons that dating/sex is so low

The Rise of Technology

Political Correctness/ The New liberal wave - also known as the me too movement

besides, remember, there is no longer a such thing as just a girl, because gender is malleable. Some men dont want to go find a woman and find out that its actually a guy

There actually is: Gwen Stefani.

Also, this. These are what I consider the two main reasons also.

And as for the discussion of friendship on page 53, of course you shouldn't marry or reproduce with someone you're not friends with. My rule is that I want to know a person for at least 4-5 years before marrying her, as a few weeks or a few months is not enough time to gauge personal compatibility as people outside the bedroom fully. I understand there are exceptions (people who meet, get married really quickly, and then stay together), but there are people I've known for a decade whom I still feel I don't actually know that much about. Making huge life decisions with someone I know little about doesn't make sense to me.

Why don't you want to be friends with the other 50% of the population? There's nothing bad about having more friends.

It's not that I personally don't want to be friends with women, it's that male friendships are simply better for men. If men value their friendships with other men rather than intimate relationships with women, then why exactly would men want to be friends with women?

Or to put it in a different manner: who would you want a friendship with? The person whom you feel most at ease with, or the one that you feel like having to meet certain expectations all the time? If I had the choice, I would choose the former.

So when the former happens to be male friendships, and there is clear advantages and benefits in this, it isn't wrong to make this judgement, it isn't even wrong to make the statement that male friendships should be the default choice for any man. It is common sense.

Apples to oranges. That article compares "bromances" to romantic relationships specifically (i.e. their girlfriends), not to all possible female friends. It is possible to be friends with someone of the opposite sex without it turning romantic; the majority of my friends have historically been female, even as a child before I even had any kind of sexuality.

[Nakena]

They don't think so, they think they're fighting the patriarchy and keeping women safe from the horrors of men.

At least they're largely isolated to the internet where their wingnuttery is at worst an annoyance. No actual government would let those lunatics in knowingly.

Not as isolated and neither exclusively on the internet I am afraid. TERFism has strong allies in moralistic feminist left-wing circles. Specifically SWERFism is getting popular among european feminists.