Dating is at a Record Low: Another Dating Thread

[Neko-koku]

That's not right? That's how all humans used to live. Originally we were all from Africa.

Hey, you yourself said these societies are dysfunctional as a result so clearly it isn't right

Well it is both natural and awful. What I don't want is simply treating this as an anomaly when it is in fact basically regression.

[Bienenhalde]

Another symptom of diminished social capital in the West. We are becoming low-trust societies, neurotic, stranger-in-a-strange-land societies.

I think if more people went to church or were otherwise involved in organized religion this would be less of a problem. Organized religion has historically played a very important role in building community.

[Antityranicals]

1. Heroism can start by simply asking someone out.
2. Why does putting in extra work and thought mean stress? If towards a noble goal, I've found work eliminates stress. Sure, it will be taxing for men, but I don't think that it wouldn't affect a woman if she were to have a man who would be willing to weep with her, laugh with her, and just generally be there whenever she needs him. What better purpose could a man have to live for, anyway?

That’s not a hero, that’s a human who puts effort into dating. But women should put in the effort too. Men need support as well, especially in today’s society. Any human being should be empathetic to their SO. That’s just common sense.

Of course I have no problem with a woman being there for a man. I simply have a problem with a man not feeling obligated to comfort his girlfriend whenever she needs it. I also have a problem with the insidious double standard that if a woman has sex with multiple men, she's called a hoe, whereas if a man has sex with multiple women, people think of him as more of a man for it. I think that a man having sex with multiple women is a sign of great cowardice, in that he is afraid to fulfill his obligation towards one or all of these women, while a woman having sex with multiple men is often in our modern society simply in search of a man who will truly be a man, even if she doesn't say so.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Another symptom of diminished social capital in the West. We are becoming low-trust societies, neurotic, stranger-in-a-strange-land societies.

I think if more people went to church or were otherwise involved in organized religion this would be less of a problem. Organized religion has historically played a very important role in building community.

Christianity is part of the issue in the west. It encourages unhealthy expectations for relationships. I would encourage philosophy as a basis for relationships and community instead.

[Bienenhalde]

I think if more people went to church or were otherwise involved in organized religion this would be less of a problem. Organized religion has historically played a very important role in building community.

Christianity is part of the issue in the west. It encourages unhealthy expectations for relationships. I would encourage philosophy as a basis for relationships and community instead.

What do you mean by unhealthy expectations?

[New haven america]

Popular girls/ Chearledears- mostly white, most have a black athletic BF, with a few white athletic Bf's in the middle.

"Good" Christian kids- most act good around adults and are your generic drinking smoking teens, a few actually are good and stay out of trouble/ off the dateing scene or just went to Christian School.

Gays (very few)- stay to themselves, can be hostile to non Gays.

Blacks - mostly stick amongst themselves, some mixture.

Latinos- mostly stick to themselves with a few exceptions.

Racists- low in #'s stick to themselves.

Smart kids- stick to themselves with few exceptions.

* Im in the mid uper class popular crowd but we all dip into other sub groups.

lmao sounds like a late 90s teen comedy

Apparently the world still works that way.

I should know, I've been downvoted countless times on Reddit for daring to say cliques like the ones mentioned above don't exist anymore in places I've been in.

[Rojava Free State]

Popular girls/ Chearledears- mostly white, most have a black athletic BF, with a few white athletic Bf's in the middle.

"Good" Christian kids- most act good around adults and are your generic drinking smoking teens, a few actually are good and stay out of trouble/ off the dateing scene or just went to Christian School.

Gays (very few)- stay to themselves, can be hostile to non Gays.

Blacks - mostly stick amongst themselves, some mixture.

Latinos- mostly stick to themselves with a few exceptions.

Racists- low in #'s stick to themselves.

Smart kids- stick to themselves with few exceptions.

Musilums- 10-20 a few families, most run the local gas stations. (My buddy Osmond is crazy Rich thanks to gas and his dad's rice factory in pacastain.

* Im in the mid uper class popular crowd but we all dip into other sub groups.
South GA HS, Go hornets

My school was basically the rich preppy kids, the large mob of poor kids that were mainly Latino, Arab, Chaldean or Albanian with some token white guys and a couple black kids, and the weebs. That was basically it at my school

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

That’s not a hero, that’s a human who puts effort into dating. But women should put in the effort too. Men need support as well, especially in today’s society. Any human being should be empathetic to their SO. That’s just common sense.

Of course I have no problem with a woman being there for a man. I simply have a problem with a man not feeling obligated to comfort his girlfriend whenever she needs it. I also have a problem with the insidious double standard that if a woman has sex with multiple men, she's called a hoe, whereas if a man has sex with multiple women, people think of him as more of a man for it. I think that a man having sex with multiple women is a sign of great cowardice, in that he is afraid to fulfill his obligation towards one or all of these women, while a woman having sex with multiple men is often in our modern society simply in search of a man who will truly be a man, even if she doesn't say so.

Fair enough, I think this is just needlessly entangled in gendered expectations. Can we just say, “be loving to people you love”?

[Antityranicals]

I think if more people went to church or were otherwise involved in organized religion this would be less of a problem. Organized religion has historically played a very important role in building community.

Christianity is part of the issue in the west. It encourages unhealthy expectations for relationships. I would encourage philosophy as a basis for relationships and community instead.

I think that an unhealthy expectation for a relationship is one in which one settles for anything less than strict monogamy for life. Accepting anything less is underselling yourself in a big way.

[Neko-koku]

I think if more people went to church or were otherwise involved in organized religion this would be less of a problem. Organized religion has historically played a very important role in building community.

Christianity is part of the issue in the west. It encourages unhealthy expectations for relationships. I would encourage philosophy as a basis for relationships and community instead.

You can't. Most people aren't intellectuals. Christianity has an extremely simplistic version fit for those who have no interest in reading the Bible and understanding theology. Philosophy doesn't.

[Ayytaly]

That's not right

That's not right? That's how all humans used to live. Originally we were all from Africa.

odd way to spell "Greece"

Popular girls/ Chearledears- mostly white, most have a black athletic BF, with a few white athletic Bf's in the middle.

"Good" Christian kids- most act good around adults and are your generic drinking smoking teens, a few actually are good and stay out of trouble/ off the dateing scene or just went to Christian School.

Gays (very few)- stay to themselves, can be hostile to non Gays.

Blacks - mostly stick amongst themselves, some mixture.

Latinos- mostly stick to themselves with a few exceptions.

Racists- low in #'s stick to themselves.

Smart kids- stick to themselves with few exceptions.

Musilums- 10-20 a few families, most run the local gas stations. (My buddy Osmond is crazy Rich thanks to gas and his dad's rice factory in pacastain.

* Im in the mid uper class popular crowd but we all dip into other sub groups.
South GA HS, Go hornets

Using cheerleaders as a bar standard for society shows how much we've fallen. Also, replace "black bf" with Latino, since that's how I saw it in suburban NYC.

[Christian Confederation]

Popular girls/ Chearledears- mostly white, most have a black athletic BF, with a few white athletic Bf's in the middle.

"Good" Christian kids- most act good around adults and are your generic drinking smoking teens, a few actually are good and stay out of trouble/ off the dateing scene or just went to Christian School.

Gays (very few)- stay to themselves, can be hostile to non Gays.

Blacks - mostly stick amongst themselves, some mixture.

Latinos- mostly stick to themselves with a few exceptions.

Racists- low in #'s stick to themselves.

Smart kids- stick to themselves with few exceptions.

* Im in the mid uper class popular crowd but we all dip into other sub groups.

lmao sounds like a late 90s teen comedy

Lol, it fills like it sometimes.

But instead of Mr belding we have Mr May, a bad Azz Republican black guy with a mustache Ex army, son in Army.

But TSA is fun, Mr Holly is like one of us. Or Tony Stark if we were Spider-Man. He has cool Sh** and teaches us to do cool stuff.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Christianity is part of the issue in the west. It encourages unhealthy expectations for relationships. I would encourage philosophy as a basis for relationships and community instead.

What do you mean by unhealthy expectations?

First of all, the expectation that if she’s suspected of cheating, she’ll have to drink a potion to get an abortion in front of her husband and a levite.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Which is kinda good IMO, social pressures tend to negate individual liberties a lot of times which is a huge no-no in my book.

Maybe alcohol but that’s about it, it’s not like they had a good amount of social safety nets back then.

Social pressures are good for reducing things like teen pregnancy, drunk driving, and licentiousness.

And no, people back in the 1950s had the option to move to large cities, where many counterculture lifestyles were moderately tolerated as long as things were discrete.

But that really didn't affect the vast majority of people.

Yet some social pressures can be good, like drunk driving is bad, teen pregnancy is bad, murder is bad, etc. though some can be bad like expecting people to be married and have kids by a certain age with no regard for the wishes of who’s expected to get married and have kids.

That’s still not a guaranteed solution to social pressures.

[Bienenhalde]

Sex is simply pointless. Dating is absurd and dangerous. A cat is much better than a partner.

This is a strong indicator of anti-social behavior.

Being asocial is not necessarily the same as being anti-social. If someone stays at home with their cats and is celibate while following the law and not causing any trouble, where is the harm in that?

[Neko-koku]

That's not right? That's how all humans used to live. Originally we were all from Africa.

odd way to spell "Greece"

Popular girls/ Chearledears- mostly white, most have a black athletic BF, with a few white athletic Bf's in the middle.

"Good" Christian kids- most act good around adults and are your generic drinking smoking teens, a few actually are good and stay out of trouble/ off the dateing scene or just went to Christian School.

Gays (very few)- stay to themselves, can be hostile to non Gays.

Blacks - mostly stick amongst themselves, some mixture.

Latinos- mostly stick to themselves with a few exceptions.

Racists- low in #'s stick to themselves.

Smart kids- stick to themselves with few exceptions.

Musilums- 10-20 a few families, most run the local gas stations. (My buddy Osmond is crazy Rich thanks to gas and his dad's rice factory in pacastain.

* Im in the mid uper class popular crowd but we all dip into other sub groups.
South GA HS, Go hornets

Using cheerleaders as a bar standard for society shows how much we've fallen. Also, replace "black bf" with Latino, since that's how I saw it in suburban NYC.

Do humans actually all came out of Greece?

Barbarian - fellahin spectrum.

[New haven america]

That’s not a hero, that’s a human who puts effort into dating. But women should put in the effort too. Men need support as well, especially in today’s society. Any human being should be empathetic to their SO. That’s just common sense.

Of course I have no problem with a woman being there for a man. 1. I simply have a problem with a man not feeling obligated to comfort his girlfriend whenever she needs it. 2. I also have a problem with the insidious double standard that if a woman has sex with multiple men, she's called a hoe, whereas if a man has sex with multiple women, people think of him as more of a man for it. 3. I think that a man having sex with multiple women is a sign of great cowardice, in that he is afraid to fulfill his obligation towards one or all of these women, while a woman having sex with multiple men is often in our modern society simply in search of a man who will truly be a man, even if she doesn't say so.

1. What if she did something shitty and pretends to be the victim?
2. I agree, but that belief stems from the double standard your pedaling that men have to be everything a woman wants while women just have to exist and be there.
3. This doesn't make what your claiming any less backwards or sexist, it just shows a different type of sexism.

[Rojava Free State]

That's not right? That's how all humans used to live. Originally we were all from Africa.

odd way to spell "Greece"

Popular girls/ Chearledears- mostly white, most have a black athletic BF, with a few white athletic Bf's in the middle.

"Good" Christian kids- most act good around adults and are your generic drinking smoking teens, a few actually are good and stay out of trouble/ off the dateing scene or just went to Christian School.

Gays (very few)- stay to themselves, can be hostile to non Gays.

Blacks - mostly stick amongst themselves, some mixture.

Latinos- mostly stick to themselves with a few exceptions.

Racists- low in #'s stick to themselves.

Smart kids- stick to themselves with few exceptions.

Musilums- 10-20 a few families, most run the local gas stations. (My buddy Osmond is crazy Rich thanks to gas and his dad's rice factory in pacastain.

* Im in the mid uper class popular crowd but we all dip into other sub groups.
South GA HS, Go hornets

Using cheerleaders as a bar standard for society shows how much we've fallen. Also, replace "black bf" with Latino, since that's how I saw it in suburban NYC.

Tbh latinos in NYC are basically black, even the ones who don't look black. I mean for starters Puerto Rican and Dominicans have a lot of African genes but beyond that a lot of Nuyoricans basically speak AAVE, listen to rap, play basketball and live in areas with a lot of black folks.

[Antityranicals]

Of course I have no problem with a woman being there for a man. I simply have a problem with a man not feeling obligated to comfort his girlfriend whenever she needs it. I also have a problem with the insidious double standard that if a woman has sex with multiple men, she's called a hoe, whereas if a man has sex with multiple women, people think of him as more of a man for it. I think that a man having sex with multiple women is a sign of great cowardice, in that he is afraid to fulfill his obligation towards one or all of these women, while a woman having sex with multiple men is often in our modern society simply in search of a man who will truly be a man, even if she doesn't say so.

Fair enough, I think this is just needlessly entangled in gendered expectations. Can we just say, “be loving to people you love”?

I suppose, but I still disparage any man who does not live up to the highest standards in how he treats any woman whom he dares call his own.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Christianity is part of the issue in the west. It encourages unhealthy expectations for relationships. I would encourage philosophy as a basis for relationships and community instead.

You can't. Most people aren't intellectuals. Christianity has an extremely simplistic version fit for those who have no interest in reading the Bible and understanding theology. Philosophy doesn't.

We can do simple philosophy without Christianity. I work with people who teach stoicism to prisoners, often people with low IQ and mental health issues. They receive it well, and introduce ideas they read in Aurelius and Epictetus to their fellow inmates.

[New haven america]

Fair enough, I think this is just needlessly entangled in gendered expectations. Can we just say, “be loving to people you love”?

I suppose, but I still disparage any man who does not live up to the highest standards in how he treats any woman whom he dares call his own.

What if they're gay or bisexual and not dating women?

Or what about lesbians? How are they expected to act?

[Antityranicals]

Of course I have no problem with a woman being there for a man. 1. I simply have a problem with a man not feeling obligated to comfort his girlfriend whenever she needs it. 2. I also have a problem with the insidious double standard that if a woman has sex with multiple men, she's called a hoe, whereas if a man has sex with multiple women, people think of him as more of a man for it. 3. I think that a man having sex with multiple women is a sign of great cowardice, in that he is afraid to fulfill his obligation towards one or all of these women, while a woman having sex with multiple men is often in our modern society simply in search of a man who will truly be a man, even if she doesn't say so.

1. What if she did something shitty and pretends to be the victim?
2. I agree, but that belief stems from the double standard your pedaling that men have to be everything a woman wants while women just have to exist and be there.
3. This doesn't make what your claiming any less backwards or sexist, it just shows a different type of sexism.

If it's sexist to believe that a man has an obligation to treat his girlfriend better than she treats him, than I suppose I can't escape the label.

[Neko-koku]

odd way to spell "Greece"



Using cheerleaders as a bar standard for society shows how much we've fallen. Also, replace "black bf" with Latino, since that's how I saw it in suburban NYC.

Tbh latinos in NYC are basically black, even the ones who don't look black. I mean for starters Puerto Rican and Dominicans have a lot of African genes but beyond that a lot of Nuyoricans basically speak AAVE, listen to rap, play basketball and live in areas with a lot of black folks.

Yep. Barbarian - Fellahin spectrum.

Neko Law: In any society with two tribes, A and B. If A is more barbarian than B then A tends to be poorer and more violent than B. Without any socioeconomic pressure AMBF relationships will be more common than BMAF relationships.

[Bienenhalde]

What do you mean by unhealthy expectations?

First of all, the expectation that if she’s suspected of cheating, she’ll have to drink a potion to get an abortion in front of her husband and a levite.

First of all, the potion was not an abortifacient. Secondly, I do not think even Orthodox Jews practice that ritual nowadays.

[New haven america]

1. What if she did something shitty and pretends to be the victim?
2. I agree, but that belief stems from the double standard your pedaling that men have to be everything a woman wants while women just have to exist and be there.
3. This doesn't make what your claiming any less backwards or sexist, it just shows a different type of sexism.

If it's sexist to believe that a man has an obligation to treat his girlfriend better than she treats him, than I suppose I can't escape the label.

Relationships should be equal partnerships unless talked about beforehand or during, so yeah, it is sexist.

You're heart's in the right place (Partners should treat each other well), but putting all that responsibility onto the male isn't going to help the relationship. He's her partner, not her therapist.