Dating is at a Record Low: Another Dating Thread

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

[edit, quote from OP link]

Meanwhile, sexual activity among 14 and 15-year-olds has dropped by almost 40 per cent since 1991. The average teenager now has had sex for the first time by the time they are 17-years-old, a full year later than the average generation X.

The teenage birth rate hit an all-time low in 2016, down 67 per cent since its modern peak in 1991.

“Teens are spending an enormous amount of time, primarily on their smart phones and communicating with their friends electronically,” Prof Twenge told BBC Radio Four’s Today programme

Not saying that the younger generation's rapid change in means of communication probably doesn't have concerning implications for their mental health, but this made me snort out loud. This is objectively a win, and I question that all of this change is purely because young people "can't" make something that older generations lived to do, or are choosing technology over in-person relationships.

This seems like, despite the fact that young people have thrown out all of the dogma of abstinence-based thinking of sex, they're accessing facts and trends and coming to the same conclusion (just, again, without the dogma). It's not a good idea to have sexual relationships in high school, nothing is fail safe, and having a child before you are ready to support said child is the number 1 decision that leads to poverty.

We as a society yelled that very idea at these kids for hours while thumping a bible and when they start doing it verbatim but without the bible we're like... WTF, damn phones did this.

Huh, almost as if religion is a parasite on every idea to which it attaches itself or something.

[Greed and Death]

Chicks dig tanks.



Just get a tank.

Chicks dig Amex Platinum cards.

What are we poor ? Who doesn't have a black card ?

[Novus America]

My steps to getting a new girlfriend are literally as follows:

Step 1. Buy a damn car, preferably a 65 chevelle or 73 gran torino.

Step 2. Tell a girl she's cute and maybe we could hang out sometime

Step 3. Hopefully it works

Step 4. That's it, there's no more steps

If that sounds awkward as hell, it's because it is and the only reason I've honestly had girlfriends is probably because of divine intervention of some kind. I'm a somewhat shy and awkward person in real life and when I plan out what I'm gonna say in my head, it comes out horrible

My pick up line: my beautiful sweetheart, come with me back to the casbar

What I actually end up saying: so uh y-you wanna go out and see a film some time maybe like you know uh er deh uh y-y-y-you sshejdiejnekdkchabne"

Most basic bitches don't give a shit about old cars, my guy.

Well not yet specific car, but having a car certainly helps make dating easier.

[First American Empire]

Agreed. 90% of professional porn is run by an incredibly unethical monopoly called MindGeek. Banning it all is worth it just to bankrupt them.

Does that count professionally drawn porn, or just professionally acted porn?

Live-action porn. I don't watch any of it because I really don't want to give MindGeek any money, even advertising revenue. (And because I'm married, but MindGeek took over before that.) They own basically every porn video site you can think of, and it makes it virtually impossible to ethically consume porn.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Does that count professionally drawn porn, or just professionally acted porn?

Live-action porn. I don't watch any of it because I really don't want to give MindGeek any money, even advertising revenue. (And because I'm married, but MindGeek took over before that.) They own basically every porn video site you can think of, and it makes it virtually impossible to ethically consume porn.

What about hentai videos?

[First American Empire]

Live-action porn. I don't watch any of it because I really don't want to give MindGeek any money, even advertising revenue. (And because I'm married, but MindGeek took over before that.) They own basically every porn video site you can think of, and it makes it virtually impossible to ethically consume porn.

What about hentai videos?

I don't know for sure, they probably aren't involved in making them but they may be involved in distributing and streaming them. IIRC, if you're looking for ethical porn, the best format would probably be written stuff since MindGeek has basically no presence in that market. They mainly own live-action porn studios and streaming sites.

[Nakena]

What about hentai videos?

I don't know for sure, they probably aren't involved in making them but they may be involved in distributing and streaming them. IIRC, if you're looking for ethical porn, the best format would probably be written stuff since MindGeek has basically no presence in that market. They mainly own live-action porn studios and streaming sites.

I would not have expected to have MindGeek mentioned here on NSG and least by you... their influence and other things are vastly overestimated.

Which being said xvideos and xhamster aren't owned by them.

[Cappuccina]

I don't know for sure, they probably aren't involved in making them but they may be involved in distributing and streaming them. IIRC, if you're looking for ethical porn, the best format would probably be written stuff since MindGeek has basically no presence in that market. They mainly own live-action porn studios and streaming sites.

I would not have expected to have MindGeek mentioned here on NSG and least by you... their influence and other things are vastly overestimated.

Which being said xvideos and xhamster aren't owned by them.

Wtf, why are we talking about porno sites?

[Nakena]

I would not have expected to have MindGeek mentioned here on NSG and least by you... their influence and other things are vastly overestimated.

Which being said xvideos and xhamster aren't owned by them.

Wtf, why are we talking about porno sites?

I dont know. I prefer european (or sometimes brazilian) productions though.

[Juristonia]

I would not have expected to have MindGeek mentioned here on NSG and least by you... their influence and other things are vastly overestimated.

Which being said xvideos and xhamster aren't owned by them.

Wtf, why are we talking about porno sites?

Have you looked around this place?
Porn is the closest some of us will ever get to a relationship.

[First American Empire]

Wtf, why are we talking about porno sites?

Have you looked around this place?
Porn is the closest some of us will ever get to a relationship.

Not me, I already have a relationship.

[ImperialRussia]

I focus on the military who needs dating any way that’s an emotion that will thrive you to lust and it’s completely useless cause your persona will weaken after so dating require loyalty and restrictions you can’t not remarry you can marry once which better suits the population dispute

[Juristonia]

Not me, I already have a relationship.

Hell, I've been married, but I'm trying to be nice to these schmucks.
You just ruined it.

I focus on the military who needs dating any way that’s an emotion that will thrive you to lust and it’s completely useless cause your persona will weaken after so dating require loyalty and restrictions you can’t not remarry you can marry once which better suits the population dispute

..Riiight

[Kowani]

I focus on the military who needs dating any way that’s an emotion that will thrive you to lust and it’s completely useless cause your persona will weaken after so dating require loyalty and restrictions you can’t not remarry you can marry once which better suits the population dispute

I think that’s bad? If I’m understanding this right?

[First American Empire]

I don't know for sure, they probably aren't involved in making them but they may be involved in distributing and streaming them. IIRC, if you're looking for ethical porn, the best format would probably be written stuff since MindGeek has basically no presence in that market. They mainly own live-action porn studios and streaming sites.

I would not have expected to have MindGeek mentioned here on NSG and least by you... their influence and other things are vastly overestimated.

Which being said xvideos and xhamster aren't owned by them.

I get that a lot. Nobody expects a prude like me to be the most knowledgeable about anything in the porn industry.

The economics of porn are very unique due to the fact that porn is essentially a post-scarcity commodity and has both a very large amount of producers and a very high level of product differentiation, but also has network effects that lead to high concentration among porn distributors. This is compounded by antitrust regulators basically sleeping and allowing MindGeek to buy up most of the competing distributors.

This is all extremely interesting from an economic perspective, as there aren't any other markets with similar* circumstances, even though I find both the subject matter and MindGeek abhorrent for different reasons. (MindGeek because they consider "laws**", "ethics***", "consent****", and "internet security*****" to be more like guidelines, and porn in general because it's icky and I don't like it.)

*The closest market is probably phone apps, but even then there are still huge differences.

**MindGeek does literally nothing to stop minors from seeing porn. And almost nothing to stop teens from publishing porn.

***MindGeek routinely lets pirates upload porn from its paid sites to its free sites and intentionally delays any attempt to remove them for as long as possible, to avoid paying its actors royalties.

****MindGeek doesn't do anything to stop revenge porn.

*****MindGeek puts basically puts no effort into screening out malware, especially in ads. Since Pornhub has almost as much traffic as Netflix, this hurts the security of the entire internet. They're also probably selling everyone's porn history to advertisers.

[Kowani]

I would not have expected to have MindGeek mentioned here on NSG and least by you... their influence and other things are vastly overestimated.

Which being said xvideos and xhamster aren't owned by them.

I get that a lot. Nobody expects a prude like me to be the most knowledgeable about anything in the porn industry.

The economics of porn are very unique due to the fact that porn is essentially a post-scarcity commodity and has both a very large amount of producers and a very high level of product differentiation, but also has network effects that lead to high concentration among porn distributors. This is compounded by antitrust regulators basically sleeping and allowing MindGeek to buy up most of the competing distributors.

This is all extremely interesting from an economic perspective, as there aren't any other markets with similar* circumstances, even though I find both the subject matter and MindGeek abhorrent for different reasons. (MindGeek because they consider "laws**", "ethics***", "consent****", and "internet security*****" to be more like guidelines, and porn in general because it's icky and I don't like it.)

*The closest market is probably phone apps, but even then there are still huge differences.

**MindGeek does literally nothing to stop minors from seeing porn. And almost nothing to stop teens from publishing porn."

***MindGeek routinely lets pirates upload porn from its paid sites to its free sites and intentionally delays any attempt to remove them for as long as possible, to avoid paying its actors royalties.

****MindGeek doesn't do anything to stop revenge porn.

*****MindGeek puts basically puts no effort into screening out malware, especially in ads. Since Pornhub has almost as much traffic as Netflix, this hurts the security of the entire internet. They're also probably selling everyone's porn history to advertisers.

While I’m not going to dispute the other stuff, there’s not really much they can do to prevent minors from accessing their sites.

[Nakena]

I get that a lot. Nobody expects a prude like me to be the most knowledgeable about anything in the porn industry.

No, Its because I saw it countless times brought up by the Alt-Right who claim that MindGeek is controlled by "the Zionist jews". (which is nonsense) Thats why I was surprised.

Also I didn thought of you as prude or so.

The economics of porn are very unique due to the fact that porn is essentially a post-scarcity commodity and has both a very large amount of producers and a very high level of product differentiation, but also has network effects that lead to high concentration among porn distributors. This is compounded by antitrust regulators basically sleeping and allowing MindGeek to buy up most of the competing distributors.

This is all extremely interesting from an economic perspective, as there aren't any other markets with similar* circumstances, even though I find both the subject matter and MindGeek abhorrent for different reasons. (MindGeek because they consider "laws**", "ethics***", "consent****", and "internet security*****" to be more like guidelines, and porn in general because it's icky and I don't like it.)

*The closest market is probably phone apps, but even then there are still huge differences.

**MindGeek does literally nothing to stop minors from seeing porn. And almost nothing to stop teens from publishing porn."

***MindGeek routinely lets pirates upload porn from its paid sites to its free sites and intentionally delays any attempt to remove them for as long as possible, to avoid paying its actors royalties.

****MindGeek doesn't do anything to stop revenge porn.

*****MindGeek puts basically puts no effort into screening out malware, especially in ads. Since Pornhub has almost as much traffic as Netflix, this hurts the security of the entire internet. They're also probably selling everyone's porn history to advertisers.

It does fit their business model of minimized effort for maximized profits. Porn streaming put alot of studios in Europe out of business or minimized their revenues. Private and a few others were only able to keep up due powerful backers. During my own time when I was working with the business this became already a rising issue, from what i had been told.

[First American Empire]

I get that a lot. Nobody expects a prude like me to be the most knowledgeable about anything in the porn industry.

No, Its because I saw it countless times brought up by the Alt-Right who claim that MindGeek is controlled by "the Zionist jews". (which is nonsense) Thats why I was surprised.

That part is nonsense. MindGeek did used to have a Jewish CEO, but he left years ago after being extradited for tax evasion, and the company is controlled by a bunch of Canadians now. I didn't realize the Alt-Right even knew about MindGeek, let alone brought it up "countless times".

[New haven america]

Wtf, why are we talking about porno sites?

Have you looked around this place?
Porn is the closest some of us will ever get to a relationship.

Delete this.

[Nakena]

No, Its because I saw it countless times brought up by the Alt-Right who claim that MindGeek is controlled by "the Zionist jews". (which is nonsense) Thats why I was surprised.

That part is nonsense. MindGeek did used to have a Jewish CEO, but he left years ago after being extradited for tax evasion, and the company is controlled by a bunch of Canadians now. I didn't realize the Alt-Right even knew about MindGeek, let alone brought it up "countless times".

According to that neo-nazi conspiracy theory, the company MindGeek is part of jewish/globohomo subversion tactics and they even go as far as claiming as even the very name MindGeek it is in itself a give away of their true intentions, namely to mindfuck white males into porn addiction and the likes...

They probably don't know about the Gooners who actually do have such intentions, to deliberately hook up males to porn addiction and other stuff... (basically the opposite and mortal enemies of the NoFap reddit)

[Washington Resistance Army]

I would not have expected to have MindGeek mentioned here on NSG and least by you... their influence and other things are vastly overestimated.

Which being said xvideos and xhamster aren't owned by them.

Wtf, why are we talking about porno sites?

It's actually a pretty apt discussion to have in regards to low amounts of sex and relationships.

[New haven america]

[edit, quote from OP link]

Meanwhile, sexual activity among 14 and 15-year-olds has dropped by almost 40 per cent since 1991. The average teenager now has had sex for the first time by the time they are 17-years-old, a full year later than the average generation X.

The teenage birth rate hit an all-time low in 2016, down 67 per cent since its modern peak in 1991.

“Teens are spending an enormous amount of time, primarily on their smart phones and communicating with their friends electronically,” Prof Twenge told BBC Radio Four’s Today programme

Not saying that the younger generation's rapid change in means of communication probably doesn't have concerning implications for their mental health, but this made me snort out loud. This is objectively a win, and I question that all of this change is purely because young people "can't" make something that older generations lived to do, or are choosing technology over in-person relationships.

This seems like, despite the fact that young people have thrown out all of the dogma of abstinence-based thinking of sex, they're accessing facts and trends and coming to the same conclusion (just, again, without the dogma). It's not a good idea to have sexual relationships in high school, nothing is fail safe, and having a child before you are ready to support said child is the number 1 decision that leads to poverty.

We as a society yelled that very idea at these kids for hours while thumping a bible and when they start doing it verbatim but without the bible we're like... WTF, damn phones did this.

Shockingly, if you educate and give responsibility to a population while still allowing them the freedom to choose how to act, they tend to make better and more well informed decisions.

Who'da thunk it?

[Navarran highlands]

Good, let´s see if "nice guys", incels and other creeps catch the message and leave.
The world is better without them.

[Costa Fierro]

It's actually a pretty apt discussion to have in regards to low amounts of sex and relationships.

What really grates me about this is that they're blaming porn for "changing how the brain functions" or saying that it destroys young men's perceptions of what to expect in a relationship. Which is odd, given where I live, 44% of people who watch or "consume" (not sure how you consume something that's free but whatever) pornography are women. Yet we're not worried about the same for women. Strange that.

Blatant pseudoscience aside, pornography is the symptom of low interest in interpersonal relationships, not the cause. And here's why.

There is a simple equation when it comes to whether or not something is worth doing: expense + time + effort = reward. This is more applicable to men than women because men tend to be very practical and work things out, and this is no exception. Expense doesn't necessarily have to be completely monetary, it can be sacrificing other things in the name of achieving a reward, much like how a man might forego spending time with friends to study for an exam, for example. Time is fairly self explanatory. Ditto for effort. Crucially the reward aspect of this has to make the other three parts of the equation worthwhile, i.e the ends justify the means. Something that requires high expense, effort, and time would therefore need to meet the expense, time, and effort made, or exceed that. And at one point, dating used to be that reward.

However, what is increasingly being discovered by a lot of men is that they are putting a lot of time, effort, and expense into preparing themselves for the dating market and finding the reward for their time, expense, and effort either non-existent, or not worth the amount of time, effort, and expense invested. This is exceptionally pertinent when looking at online dating, less so when it comes to being introduced to someone through friends although that can still result in a net negative. So the question is why continue to invest in time, effort, and expense when the rewards do not justify that investment? Why continue that investment for no reward at all?

And the answer simply is: don't. Why waste all that time, effort, and expense? Of course this applies beyond the dating world, men are increasingly dropping out of the labour market because the rewards do not justify the means.

Where does pornography fit into all this? Well, it's low expense, meaning you have to sacrifice nothing to access it, it doesn't consume a large amount of one's time finding what they want, it's very low-effort, and the rewards are better: you finish, you're satisfied. The reward is higher than the effort, time, and expense put into achieving it.

The answers are staring everyone in the face yet people bury their heads in the sand because it's easy to blame something that can be considered morally ambiguous, or other things like social media, than actually make dating worth the effort.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Good, let´s see if "nice guys", incels and other creeps catch the message and leave.
The world is better without them.

Niceguyism is raising valid concerns about the current dating world's effects on the gene pool, or its incentivizing of the wrong behaviours when they're what impress women. You sure you want them gone?