Dating is at a Record Low: Another Dating Thread

[Saiwania]

I've not even been able to find a job to apply to that paid more than $10 an hour. I've applied to 20 places and didn't even receive a call back. I'm not a college graduate yet, but still. My brother is a college grad and only makes $24,000 a year.

Was it in a worthless degree or just didn't know how to apply it like was the case with me?

To get the big money in the most locations, you probably need to be useful everywhere, such as if someone becomes a Dentist, Tax Accountant, or Lawyer. Those are all safe bets if people need those services.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Bullshit. Average starting salaries are way down and most opportunities are for minimum wage jobs, which isn't enough to pay the rent.

Average starting salaries are stagnant, but still there are plenty of jobs, not just minimum wage ones out there. Yes you are again not likely to get the perfect job and get super rich, but you can find a job. Again cast a wide net. If you have not sent out hundreds of applications you are doing it wrong.

Your defeatism is why you are defeated.

Again, not everyone has time to send out hundreds of applications, it's not practical for someone who is busy with other things, and the job market really isn't good for disabled people.

[Novus America]

Source: trust me bro

I've not even been able to find a job to apply to that paid more than $10 an hour. I've applied to 20 places and didn't even receive a call back. I'm not a college graduate yet, but still. My brother is a college grad and only makes $24,000 a year.

And yes you might have to start at $10 an hour.
Also only 20 applications? That is nothing.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I've not even been able to find a job to apply to that paid more than $10 an hour. I've applied to 20 places and didn't even receive a call back. I'm not a college graduate yet, but still. My brother is a college grad and only makes $24,000 a year.

And yes you might have to start at $10 an hour.
Also only 20 applications? That is nothing.

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And yes you might have to start at $10 an hour.
Also only 20 applications? That is nothing.

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

Work. Save money. Find a better job, move.

[Novus America]

Average starting salaries are stagnant, but still there are plenty of jobs, not just minimum wage ones out there. Yes you are again not likely to get the perfect job and get super rich, but you can find a job. Again cast a wide net. If you have not sent out hundreds of applications you are doing it wrong.

Your defeatism is why you are defeated.

Again, not everyone has time to send out hundreds of applications, it's not practical for someone who is busy with other things, and the job market really isn't good for disabled people.

And what are you so busy with?

Also you can send out applications quite quickly if you get a good system down.
Yes the job market is never great for disabled people, but now is a better time than most other times even for that.

[Great Minarchistan]

Source: trust me bro

I've not even been able to find a job to apply to that paid more than $10 an hour. I've applied to 20 places and didn't even receive a call back. I'm not a college graduate yet, but still. My brother is a college grad and only makes $24,000 a year.

n=2 (me and my brother) to represent a nearly 200mln people labor market is as much of a meme as this:

[Novus America]

And yes you might have to start at $10 an hour.
Also only 20 applications? That is nothing.

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

And $0 is?

It is just a starting wage anyways.
You do not make a career out of it.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Again, not everyone has time to send out hundreds of applications, it's not practical for someone who is busy with other things, and the job market really isn't good for disabled people.

And what are you so busy with?

Also you can send out applications quite quickly if you get a good system down.
Yes the job market is never great for disabled people, but now is a better time than most other times even for that.

I'm busy with college right now.

[Vetalia]

And yes you might have to start at $10 an hour.
Also only 20 applications? That is nothing.

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

A job at a factory nearby pays $16/hr for unskilled labor. What are you looking for, exactly?

[United Muscovite Nations]

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

And $0 is?

It is just a starting wage anyways.
You do not make a career out of it.

I'm able to afford to live right now because I live in the sticks and live with my parents, but I need to get a job in the city to get out of here.

[Nakena]

And what are you so busy with?

Also you can send out applications quite quickly if you get a good system down.
Yes the job market is never great for disabled people, but now is a better time than most other times even for that.

I'm busy with college right now.

Maybe after you're done with it, things will look different for you than now.

[Great Minarchistan]

I'm busy with college right now.

Maybe after you're done with it, things will look different for you than now.

Geography matters too, most good job offers are around urban centers

[Luminesa]

I’m not dating rn because:

1. It’s a distraction from my studies. I don’t want romance taking away my attention from what really matters, and last time I let my feelings for a guy get in the way, I wound up getting hurt in the end, so I’m not letting that happen again.
2. I’m just not interested atm. Maybe later in life. Idk.
3. Like any guy is gonna be interested in me even if I was looking for love. I’m honestly rather plain and homely in appearance, and quite boring, and I don’t foresee any man really wanting to pursue a relationship with me.

I have friends and family members who seem to think I need to find a guy ASAP. My mom and I went to eat with her best friend from high school and her daughter (who is also one of my friends) and mom’s friend kept trying to tell me that I need to find a man. She also thinks I need to do things like paint my nails and wear makeup to get a guy’s attention. I said I don’t want to get married ever (though that’s not entirely true), but she said that she just knows I’ll change my mind and want to become a wife and mother someday.

A. You're probably much, much prettier than you think you are.
B. Let me tell you a story from high-school. I had a classmate who was what society would say (and who I would say) was gorgeous. Classic features, tall, skinnier than me (and most people can probably pick me up and throw me), all that. We were in Health class waiting in line to take turns with CPR training. She was wearing makeup. She looked good, but she looked good without it. She told her friend, "I'm wearing makeup on the one day my boyfriend's not here." I wanted so badly to tell her, "Your boyfriend should like you even without makeup." I never did (we weren't exactly close friends, or really friends at all), but I'm telling you that anyone you get with should be able to look at you without makeup and to say that you look good. And if they don't like that, then you need to hop. If you're not into those things, then he should understand and love how you look anyway.
C. If you've been hurt by a guy in the past, please talk to someone. Someone who will listen and who will give you the best advice for how to heal. I can't say I would be the best at that, but my TG box is open if you wanna talk.

Please don't beat yourself up, especially not after some jerk guy beat you up and made you feel bad. You are better than you think you are.

[Saiwania]

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

Rent is a waste of money for the most part. You'd be better off going homeless, but only if you don't have to go homeless homeless

Such as if you can stop by your parents place everyday to sleep and get cleaned up before leaving again. If you can save that money for investing in assets or other stuff, you can maybe grow your way out of needing a wage if you're lucky, even if you never land a good job.

[Nova Cyberia]

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

Rent is a waste of money for the most part. You'd be better off going homeless, but only if you don't have to go homeless homeless

Such as if you can stop by your parents place everyday to sleep and get cleaned up before leaving again. If you can save that money for investing in assets or other stuff, you can maybe grow your way out of needing a wage if you're lucky, even if you never land a good job.

That sounds like a horrible life. What the fuck?

[Luminesa]

They are honest. Which I truly advice you to be, with yourself. Sooner rather than later. *shrug*

OK let's be specific here.

I'm a dude with age above 25 and absolutely no dating or sexual experience. In fact I have almost no experience dealing with young women at all. This is fairly unusual in the West. However NE Asia tends to produce a ton of guys like that.

Dating and marriage are actually dangerous for me because I'm simply not emotionally and sociosexually equipped to spot malicious women. There has been numerous examples of STEM nerds ending up marrying and getting divorced by cunning former prostitutes in China because these STEM nerds are just totally unequipped to deal with ladies. That's an important personal reason not to get in at all in addition to the general reasons.

I'm in my first ever relationship and I wanted to tell you that it is scary, but make sure that you also love yourself first before you jump in. And not in the sense of, "Oh I'm #1, I'm the best and hottest guy ever, every girl should wanna get with me." I mean find what's positive and beautiful about yourself, because it's there.

Malicious people are scary, but from what I can tell you from my limited experience, get to know someone you like first before you date them. Look for genuine compassion, funniness, honesty, and warmth. You can often tell when someone is playing and when someone is not. And if you can't sometimes...that's okay. You're human. But the thing is you're an innocent person who wants to find love, be patient with yourself and pray, if you pray.

[Nakena]

Rent is a waste of money for the most part. You'd be better off going homeless, but only if you don't have to go homeless homeless

Such as if you can stop by your parents place everyday to sleep and get cleaned up before leaving again. If you can save that money for investing in assets or other stuff, you can maybe grow your way out of needing a wage if you're lucky, even if you never land a good job.

That sounds like a horrible life. What the fuck?

Thats called the Sai-life.

[Saiwania]

That sounds like a horrible life. What the fuck?

It saves a ton of money that otherwise wouldn't be possible if you can secure free housing of some sort. Some people even live at their place of employment with their bosses' permission. Just do whatever it takes for a few years and you'll climb your way out if you're starting from nothing. You have to have the guts to never give up though. People and things will try to prevent your future success but you gotta push past it all or bypass it to eventually get to nicer things.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That sounds like a horrible life. What the fuck?

It saves a ton of money that otherwise wouldn't be possible if you can secure free housing of some sort. Some people even live at their place of employment with their bosses' permission. Just do whatever it takes for a few years and you'll climb your way out if you're starting from nothing. You have to have the guts to never give up though. People and things will try to prevent your future success but you gotta push past it all or bypass it to eventually get to nicer things.

Man if you wanna save money to build up just keep living with your parents lol, don't go fucking homeless. Like I'm not ashamed I'm still living with my mom for that exact reason. I can actually put money away and try to build up some savings before I head out on my own.

[Novus America]

And $0 is?

It is just a starting wage anyways.
You do not make a career out of it.

I'm able to afford to live right now because I live in the sticks and live with my parents, but I need to get a job in the city to get out of here.

Well yes, you probably need to finish college first.
That is to be expected.
Presumably your college has women though.

But after college you probably will have to move closer to a job center.
Not in it but within commuting distance.

[Nova Cyberia]

That sounds like a horrible life. What the fuck?

It saves a ton of money that otherwise wouldn't be possible if you can secure free housing of some sort. Some people even live at their place of employment with their bosses' permission. Just do whatever it takes for a few years and you'll climb your way out if you're starting from nothing. You have to have the guts to never give up though. People and things will try to prevent your future success but you gotta push past it all or bypass it to eventually get to nicer things.

And have you ever actually been homeless before?

[Great Minarchistan]

I like it how the central idea of the thread is so sleep pill tier that it has moved on to job opportunities and life hacks on money

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm able to afford to live right now because I live in the sticks and live with my parents, but I need to get a job in the city to get out of here.

Well yes, you probably need to finish college first.
Presumably your college has women though.

Yes, that's where the other issues come in. There was a girl my second year that things were going really well with, but she moved away for reasons I'd rather not go into, and I haven't really had any friends or acquaintances since then.

[Aguaria Major]

And yes you might have to start at $10 an hour.
Also only 20 applications? That is nothing.

$10 an hour is not enough to pay the rent.

You do have a point about this. It has been proven time and again that status (namely salary) is attractive to women. I'm personally a male enrolled in a US university, and where I am at least, women are namely looking for one of 2 things when it comes to even semi-romantic relations:

1) Sex. The rise of Tinder is what I blame for this fact. Casual sex has always been a thing at colleges here, but Tinder has thrown a drum of gasoline onto an already not-indignifucantly sized fire. However, these women are not the majority.

2) The true majority are looking for status. They want someone with a nice job, and a big house. Women looking for older men, is thus actually a pretty common thing where I go to school.

This second fact makes it almost impossible for any man of my age to be with anyone who matches his age. And it's not like we have any other options since dating high-schoolers is out of the question for numerous moral and legal reasons, and using the same trick and going older doesn't work since women mature faster than men, and older women thus don't want to be with someone who they view as a child.

It is a very real phenomenon.

As for my personal story/frustrations:

I am someone who is not bad-looking, but I am also not a 10. I am a fit man who regularly works out, and who was a varsity swimmer in high school. But, I am not completely shredded, and I have what I describe as a British smile, since my family couldn't afford braces for a long time when I was young. And I refuse to get them now because they screw with the way you play your instruments, should you play a wind instrument (of which I play 5). My friend convinced me to get Tinder once, and the fact I'm not a supermodel was an immediate handicap. Women don't want someone, even for a relationship, who is not a 10. I very much blame the culture of Tinder for this attitude. It's objectifying and dehumanizing, and it conditions people to judge each other based on looks above all else.

The above financial predicament is also something I've experienced.

Another fact is that for whatever reason, women seem to like quiet, soft-spoken, emotional men, of which I am not. I am never mean, and am very friendly in person, but I am also loud and opinionated. I have been told my personal mannerisms are very strident, and can border on aggressiveness sometimes. If someone pisses me off, I very loudly tell them off. And no woman, in my experience, wants someone like that. They want softer guys.

Whenever I go into romantic mode, I am relentlessly gunned down.

I once was told that I come on too strong, and that I need to take things slow, so I asked a girl I liked if she wanted to hang out one night. Apparently, she could tell where I was going, and responded with, "no, I don't want to hang out. I can't see us as friends, or as being compatible".

Dating is a nightmare.

NOTE: these are only my experiences as seen from my perspective, and nothing here is meant to be a general or universal rule on how women behave, for any women who read this.