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Postby Jolthig » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:20 pm

Not wanting to threadjack other threads with this subject since it is a relevant topic to today's world, and something I've thought about for years, let's discuss the isolation of ethnic and cultural communities in the US, and why it's a problem that should be solved.

Regarding the communities of African Americans, this seems to be an issue that stems from the days of slavery and the Jim Crox laws. Even though we now have laws that have given the African American community better civil rights, the racist bias of many people among the higher ups within Caucasian communities, still remains, and it is due to this biased view that both the Causcasian and African communities remain isolated from one another. My suggestion is that the African American community, especially the poorer ones should be progressively integrated anti the greater society through education of the youth, helping out those who are addicted to drugs, discouraging the joining of gangs, and educating the Caucasian populace to remove the racial bias in their minds. No groups should illogically fear one another, but they should work with one another for the progress of a nation.

The same can be extended to communities other ethnic and cultural groups as well such as Hispanics.

With that said, may the discussion begin.
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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:27 pm

Jolthig wrote:Not wanting to threadjack other threads with this subject since it is a relevant topic to today's world, and something I've thought about for years, let's discuss the isolation of ethnic and cultural communities in the US, and why it's a problem that should be solved.

Regarding the communities of African Americans, this seems to be an issue that stems from the days of slavery and the Jim Crox laws. Even though we now have laws that have given the African American community better civil rights, the racist bias of many people among the higher ups within Caucasian communities, still remains, and it is due to this biased view that both the Causcasian and African communities remain isolated from one another. My suggestion is that the African American community, especially the poorer ones should be progressively integrated anti the greater society through education of the youth, helping out those who are addicted to drugs, discouraging the joining of gangs, and educating the Caucasian populace to remove the racial bias in their minds. No groups should illogically fear one another, but they should work with one another for the progress of a nation.

The same can be extended to communities other ethnic and cultural groups as well such as Hispanics.

With that said, may the discussion begin.


There is generally no isolation of Hispanics beyond linguistical self-segregation common in other communities that do not originally speak English.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:53 pm

You don't get it, they are segregated and poor on purpose. How is the private prison industry or drug agencies keep their presence strong? Think of the profits!

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:54 pm

Africans who immigrate to the US preform better than African-Americans. The problem with black communities is that they have a rather self-defeating culture.
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Postby Drystar » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:02 pm

Jolthig wrote:Not wanting to threadjack other threads with this subject since it is a relevant topic to today's world, and something I've thought about for years, let's discuss the isolation of ethnic and cultural communities in the US, and why it's a problem that should be solved.

Regarding the communities of African Americans, this seems to be an issue that stems from the days of slavery and the Jim Crox laws. Even though we now have laws that have given the African American community better civil rights, the racist bias of many people among the higher ups within Caucasian communities, still remains, and it is due to this biased view that both the Causcasian and African communities remain isolated from one another. My suggestion is that the African American community, especially the poorer ones should be progressively integrated anti the greater society through education of the youth, helping out those who are addicted to drugs, discouraging the joining of gangs, and educating the Caucasian populace to remove the racial bias in their minds. No groups should illogically fear one another, but they should work with one another for the progress of a nation.

The same can be extended to communities other ethnic and cultural groups as well such as Hispanics.

With that said, may the discussion begin.


That’s a rather large leap, assuming all Caucasians have a racial bias. If I said any other group and tied some imagined stereotypes to it, I’d be rightfully be scolded.

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Postby Jolthig » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:04 pm

Drystar wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Not wanting to threadjack other threads with this subject since it is a relevant topic to today's world, and something I've thought about for years, let's discuss the isolation of ethnic and cultural communities in the US, and why it's a problem that should be solved.

Regarding the communities of African Americans, this seems to be an issue that stems from the days of slavery and the Jim Crox laws. Even though we now have laws that have given the African American community better civil rights, the racist bias of many people among the higher ups within Caucasian communities, still remains, and it is due to this biased view that both the Causcasian and African communities remain isolated from one another. My suggestion is that the African American community, especially the poorer ones should be progressively integrated anti the greater society through education of the youth, helping out those who are addicted to drugs, discouraging the joining of gangs, and educating the Caucasian populace to remove the racial bias in their minds. No groups should illogically fear one another, but they should work with one another for the progress of a nation.

The same can be extended to communities other ethnic and cultural groups as well such as Hispanics.

With that said, may the discussion begin.


That’s a rather large leap, assuming all Caucasians have a racial bias. If I said any other group and tied some imagined stereotypes to it, I’d be rightfully be scolded.

I mean I did say higher ups. Also, I'm Caucasian myself so I'm not putting everybody in the same boat.
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Postby Cydalia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:06 pm

Non-white groups and immigrants tend to self-segregate and self-isolate. The fact that they do this is well known.
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Postby Fasma » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:09 pm

Singapore solved this through the Ethnic Integration Policy, combined with the HDB, it turned an ethnically divided country of slums into a modern metropolis of unity and diversity among different ethnic, religious, and income groups. All under the leadership of Lee Kuan Yew. Now, America is obviously a lot larger than Singapore, but surely with American ingenuity, a solution can be adapted to your needs.

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Postby Jolthig » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:09 pm

Cydalia wrote:Non-white groups and immigrants tend to self-segregate and self-isolate. The fact that they do this is well known.

Yet, the majority higher ups also plays a role because they in a way encourage the self-defeating culture on those poorer minorities. I'm not saying the minorities aren't responsible either. It is after all, a problem everyone to and extent, is responsible for. What I'm saying is, everyone should progressively encourage communication and integration of minorities into the greater society through financial, cultural, and educational means.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:47 pm

Jolthig wrote:Not wanting to threadjack other threads with this subject since it is a relevant topic to today's world, and something I've thought about for years, let's discuss the isolation of ethnic and cultural communities in the US, and why it's a problem that should be solved.

Regarding the communities of African Americans, this seems to be an issue that stems from the days of slavery and the Jim Crox laws. Even though we now have laws that have given the African American community better civil rights, the racist bias of many people among the higher ups within Caucasian communities, still remains, and it is due to this biased view that both the Causcasian and African communities remain isolated from one another. My suggestion is that the African American community, especially the poorer ones should be progressively integrated anti the greater society through education of the youth, helping out those who are addicted to drugs, discouraging the joining of gangs, and educating the Caucasian populace to remove the racial bias in their minds. No groups should illogically fear one another, but they should work with one another for the progress of a nation.

The same can be extended to communities other ethnic and cultural groups as well such as Hispanics.

With that said, may the discussion begin.


Interesting you don't mention the large number of black Americans that don't really wanna live around whites. you mention this supposedly huge group of Caucasians that hate black folks but I can tell you from experience that open racism is more accepted in black america than it is in white america. That's some what changing now with Trump but even then, the standards of what is considered offensive speech are different for black and white people in the US
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Postby Fasma » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:53 pm

All races self-segregate, integration must apply universally across all ethnic groups. Unity requires nobody, black or white, to be given a free ticket to form an ethnic ghetto. You need blacks, whites, poor, and rich to live in the same neighbourhoods and go to the same schools. And you need the government to tell the people that this is the way it is. Some will kick and scream, but it'll be better for them and future generations in the end.

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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:29 pm

Fasma wrote:All races self-segregate, integration must apply universally across all ethnic groups. Unity requires nobody, black or white, to be given a free ticket to form an ethnic ghetto. You need blacks, whites, poor, and rich to live in the same neighbourhoods and go to the same schools. And you need the government to tell the people that this is the way it is. Some will kick and scream, but it'll be better for them and future generations in the end.

Are you trying to pull off a Singapore? LOL.

This level of statism may be something neither the soc left nor the soc right can tolerate.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:17 pm

OP, we've been trying this for quite a while and we've had piss poor progress. Maybe it's time for a new approach?
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Postby Fasma » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:45 pm

Neko-koku wrote:
Fasma wrote:All races self-segregate, integration must apply universally across all ethnic groups. Unity requires nobody, black or white, to be given a free ticket to form an ethnic ghetto. You need blacks, whites, poor, and rich to live in the same neighbourhoods and go to the same schools. And you need the government to tell the people that this is the way it is. Some will kick and scream, but it'll be better for them and future generations in the end.

Are you trying to pull off a Singapore? LOL.

This level of statism may be something neither the soc left nor the soc right can tolerate.


That's okay, their toleration is not required.

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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:46 pm

Fasma wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Are you trying to pull off a Singapore? LOL.

This level of statism may be something neither the soc left nor the soc right can tolerate.


That's okay, their toleration is not required.

Do you also happen to be from the Sinosphere?

I think people from any other place does not tend to support this level of statism.

I know. The next step is probably state-enforced intermarrying to the point that almost everyone in the world is about the same in terms of racial origins.
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Postby Fasma » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:48 pm

Neko-koku wrote:
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That's okay, their toleration is not required.

Do you also happen to be from the Sinosphere?

I think people from any other place does not tend to support this level of statism.


Which explains why they have ethnic ghettos.

EDIT: I don't support state-enforced marriages. I support marriage between loving consenting adults. Let's not devolve into slippery slopes. e.g. "First thing they'll want to be able to vote, then rape our daughters! We gotta'send'em back to where they came before it is too late!" The next logical step to integrated communities, where races and different socioeconomic groups live together is social harmony. It won't be easy at first, it never is. Time and time again, history has shown breaking down barriers to communication saves lives.
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Fasma wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Do you also happen to be from the Sinosphere?

I think people from any other place does not tend to support this level of statism.


Which explains why they have ethnic ghettos.

The essence of statism is...."The mighty Leviathan can solve all problems."
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:50 pm

I often feel culturally isolated. However, I’m sure it’s because I live in s small Southern town where the closest group to Spain I have are a few Latinos that live in town. Hopefully when we move to a city or larger urban area, I’ll feel less isolated.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:52 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:OP, we've been trying this for quite a while and we've had piss poor progress. Maybe it's time for a new approach?

Have we? What do you suggest?
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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:54 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:OP, we've been trying this for quite a while and we've had piss poor progress. Maybe it's time for a new approach?

Have we? What do you suggest?

China of course has a solution, namely forcing people to mix. However is this what people outside the Sinosphere can stomach? No.

P.S. This is good evidence that a China-style state is inherently anti-local and anti-identity.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:46 pm

I don't feel culturally isolated myself. I live in an area where a man rides around on a bike with an Iraqi flag, a taqueria is situated on 21 and van dyke, there's a Chaldean church on auburn road, and we got an Albanian mosque not far away from here. I feel at home here, but I do feel like my community is alienated from having actual power or a future, so there is that
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:50 pm

I do not feel isolated, because I've deliberately inserted myself in a situation where I mostly interact with people like myself. So because of that, I feel quite comfortable.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:51 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I do not feel isolated, because I've deliberately inserted myself in a situation where I mostly interact with people like myself. So because of that, I feel quite comfortable.

Considering where I live it'd be impossible for me to do that.
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Nova Cyberia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I do not feel isolated, because I've deliberately inserted myself in a situation where I mostly interact with people like myself. So because of that, I feel quite comfortable.

Considering where I live it'd be impossible for me to do that.


Where do you live?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:27 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Considering where I live it'd be impossible for me to do that.


Where do you live?

Eastern PA. I live in a, as you leftists would say, "ethnically diverse" area.
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