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How does the Supreme Court make sense?

Postby Ghosteria » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:31 am

The Supreme Court makes decisions on laws and/or policies that have fallen into constitutional question and may in fact be violating the amendments outlined in Bill of Rights and/or the later amendments that were ratified. However, the Bill of Rights were created to defend the rights of the people from a potentially tyrannical government. So how does it make sense that the head of the judicial branch of that same government makes decisions regarding those rights? Not to mention that the people in that branch were all appointed by the executive branch of the same government!



Now let me explain my position:

In my opinion I believe that this could lead to horrific abuses of power should all of the seats of the Supreme Court ever need to be populated by one president. Say he/she appoints only people that support him/her. What happens then? Well I'll tell you; the president then controls 2/3's of the government. He/she could have the court decide that certain clauses within different amendments are unconstitutional and just like that we would start losing freedoms at an extremely fast pace. It's because of this I believe we need to replace the Supreme Court with a non-government, civilian controlled, Citizens Supreme Court.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:33 am

Ghosteria wrote:The Supreme Court makes decisions on laws and/or policies that have fallen into constitutional question and may in fact be violating the amendments outlined in Bill of Rights and/or the later amendments that were ratified. However, the Bill of Rights were created to defend the rights of the people from a potentially tyrannical government. So how does it make sense that the head of the judicial branch of that same government makes decisions regarding those rights? Not to mention that the people in that branch were all appointed by the executive branch of the same government!



Now let me explain my position:

In my opinion I believe that this could lead to horrific abuses of power should all of the seats of the Supreme Court ever need to be populated by one president. Say he/she appoints only people that support him/her. What happens then? Well I'll tell you; the president then controls 2/3's of the government. He/she could have the court decide that certain clauses within different amendments are unconstitutional and just like that we would start losing freedoms at an extremely fast pace. It's because of this I believe we need to replace the Supreme Court with a non-government, civilian controlled, Citizens Supreme Court.

No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:36 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Ghosteria wrote:The Supreme Court makes decisions on laws and/or policies that have fallen into constitutional question and may in fact be violating the amendments outlined in Bill of Rights and/or the later amendments that were ratified. However, the Bill of Rights were created to defend the rights of the people from a potentially tyrannical government. So how does it make sense that the head of the judicial branch of that same government makes decisions regarding those rights? Not to mention that the people in that branch were all appointed by the executive branch of the same government!



Now let me explain my position:

In my opinion I believe that this could lead to horrific abuses of power should all of the seats of the Supreme Court ever need to be populated by one president. Say he/she appoints only people that support him/her. What happens then? Well I'll tell you; the president then controls 2/3's of the government. He/she could have the court decide that certain clauses within different amendments are unconstitutional and just like that we would start losing freedoms at an extremely fast pace. It's because of this I believe we need to replace the Supreme Court with a non-government, civilian controlled, Citizens Supreme Court.

No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

I happen to think his proposal is ingenious

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

I happen to think his proposal is ingenious


Ingenious until the next Republican president does it and strikes down everything you care about lol
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I happen to think his proposal is ingenious


Ingenious until the next Republican president does it and strikes down everything you care about lol

And then we’d be in civil war by then lol
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:38 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Ghosteria wrote:The Supreme Court makes decisions on laws and/or policies that have fallen into constitutional question and may in fact be violating the amendments outlined in Bill of Rights and/or the later amendments that were ratified. However, the Bill of Rights were created to defend the rights of the people from a potentially tyrannical government. So how does it make sense that the head of the judicial branch of that same government makes decisions regarding those rights? Not to mention that the people in that branch were all appointed by the executive branch of the same government!



Now let me explain my position:

In my opinion I believe that this could lead to horrific abuses of power should all of the seats of the Supreme Court ever need to be populated by one president. Say he/she appoints only people that support him/her. What happens then? Well I'll tell you; the president then controls 2/3's of the government. He/she could have the court decide that certain clauses within different amendments are unconstitutional and just like that we would start losing freedoms at an extremely fast pace. It's because of this I believe we need to replace the Supreme Court with a non-government, civilian controlled, Citizens Supreme Court.

No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

Sauce?
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:41 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Ghosteria wrote:The Supreme Court makes decisions on laws and/or policies that have fallen into constitutional question and may in fact be violating the amendments outlined in Bill of Rights and/or the later amendments that were ratified. However, the Bill of Rights were created to defend the rights of the people from a potentially tyrannical government. So how does it make sense that the head of the judicial branch of that same government makes decisions regarding those rights? Not to mention that the people in that branch were all appointed by the executive branch of the same government!



Now let me explain my position:

In my opinion I believe that this could lead to horrific abuses of power should all of the seats of the Supreme Court ever need to be populated by one president. Say he/she appoints only people that support him/her. What happens then? Well I'll tell you; the president then controls 2/3's of the government. He/she could have the court decide that certain clauses within different amendments are unconstitutional and just like that we would start losing freedoms at an extremely fast pace. It's because of this I believe we need to replace the Supreme Court with a non-government, civilian controlled, Citizens Supreme Court.

No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

Bernie’s idea is fucking terrible. If anyone is still thinking of voting for Sanders, I’d urge them to consider Warren instead.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:42 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

Bernie’s idea is fucking terrible. If anyone is still thinking of voting for Sanders, I’d urge them to consider Warren instead.

He literally admitted he wanted to rig the Supreme Court how do people support him?
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:43 am

Scomagia wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

Sauce?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/bernie-sande ... t-justices
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... ustices-if
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:44 am

it was at the democrat debate in Miami
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Postby Drystar » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:50 am

Why do people feel this insatiable desire to reform the court. Maybe if they don’t like the decisions it makes, they should ask themselves if the law they’re writing is constitutional before hand, like they used to. There’s this idea to just pass something and let the courts work it out rather then do the job according to the job description. And on a side note, I don’t think you can impeach a Supreme Court Justice, who would preside at the trial? Death or retirement is the only way I know for them to get off the court.

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Postby Pacomia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

I happen to think his proposal is ingenious
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Postby Page » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:51 am

I would be in favor of in changing the confirmation process, so that nominated judges must be confirmed by both the Senate and House with a supermajority vote, I would suggest 75% in each chamber. That would be adequate to strip the President and majority party of power to ideologically influence the SCOTUS.
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Postby Metaloidia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:54 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Bernie’s idea is fucking terrible. If anyone is still thinking of voting for Sanders, I’d urge them to consider Warren instead.

He literally admitted he wanted to rig the Supreme Court how do people support him?

You clearly don't know how politics works then. One bad idea a politician has is not going to make their supporters not support him.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:55 am

Metaloidia wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:He literally admitted he wanted to rig the Supreme Court how do people support him?

You clearly don't know how politics works then. One bad idea a politician has is not going to make their supporters not support him.

It’s not a bad idea, it’s catastrophic. It’s the end of American democracy.
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Postby Metaloidia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:57 am

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Metaloidia wrote:You clearly don't know how politics works then. One bad idea a politician has is not going to make their supporters not support him.

It’s not a bad idea, it’s catastrophic. It’s the end of American democracy.

Please explain to me how this one idea will somehow make democracy magically go away.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:58 am

Page wrote:I would be in favor of in changing the confirmation process, so that nominated judges must be confirmed by both the Senate and House with a supermajority vote, I would suggest 75% in each chamber. That would be adequate to strip the President and majority party of power to ideologically influence the SCOTUS.

One person had a proposal that we have 4 partisan seats and the 5 other seats have to be confirmed by all 4
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Interesting. So much for the whole "Democratic" Socialism thing, huh? Just another Authoritarian in sheep's clothing.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:03 am

Page wrote:I would be in favor of in changing the confirmation process, so that nominated judges must be confirmed by both the Senate and House with a supermajority vote, I would suggest 75% in each chamber. That would be adequate to strip the President and majority party of power to ideologically influence the SCOTUS.

No, that's silly. As it is "Conservative" and "Liberal" in judicial parlance is not the same thing as in political parlance. Merely appointing a judge does fuck all to guarantee that they're ideologically in line with one party or the other. Many surprise judgements have happened specifically because of this.

Pass. Keep SCOTUS how it is.
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Postby Jean-Paul Sartre » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:09 am

Metaloidia wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:It’s not a bad idea, it’s catastrophic. It’s the end of American democracy.

Please explain to me how this one idea will somehow make democracy magically go away.

Imagine you have a body that can hypothetically declare any law unconstitutional. Now give one party full control over that whole body for 4 years.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:10 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Metaloidia wrote:Please explain to me how this one idea will somehow make democracy magically go away.

Imagine you have a body that can hypothetically declare any law unconstitutional. Now give one party full control over that whole body for 4 years.

I mean, that's almost close to what currently exists, except they get control over it for much longer.

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Alvecia wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:Imagine you have a body that can hypothetically declare any law unconstitutional. Now give one party full control over that whole body for 4 years.

I mean, that's almost close to what currently exists, except they get control over it for much longer.

Kek. Is this your legitimate take? Because nothing like this exists.
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Postby Cydalia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:12 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

I happen to think his proposal is ingenious

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Postby Purgatio » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:12 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:No, the senate must confirm them and they can be impeached.

However, Bernie wants to do this, and he has a dangerous proposal. He literally said he wants to “rotate” the conservative justices to lower courts, and the new Supreme Court (populates by him) will say its constitutional

I happen to think his proposal is ingenious


Genius? More like constitutionally-dangerous. What Sanders would propose would essentially neuter the Supreme Court into being beholden wholly to whoever controls the executive branch at any point in time, and SCOTUS would see to be an independent branch of the government. Sanders and his ideas are hugely dangerous and an existential threat to the rule of law.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:14 am

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I mean, that's almost close to what currently exists, except they get control over it for much longer.

Kek. Is this your legitimate take? Because nothing like this exists.

All it takes is a few key justices dying or retiring while one party has the power to force their candidates through. Just look at the current court.

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