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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:59 pm

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He's finished Gunboat Diplomacy class and is already starting Divide & Conqour 101, the only sad thing is that...how is he supposed to annex other people's tea when he already grows more tea than he'll ever need?? :(

Plenty of cashmere wool for them to take. ;)
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Postby The Hindustani State » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:29 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Yanitza wrote:Pakistan itself will not be waging war on India over Kashmir, at least not intentionally. But you can bet the various Jihadist networks that operate in Kashmir are going to ramp up their militancy with Pakistan giving them more leeway to act and Kashmiri's likely to more supportive now due to India's actions.

I won't be surprised if Kashmir becomes a magnet for International Jihadism as well given the collapse of other fronts and Kashmir being a globally known issue.

And of course the US, Russia, and China will obviously get involved too. A brand new Syria/Iraq?

Kashmir is as bad as Syria and Iraq already, Pakistani terrorism is rampant

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Heloin wrote:The stupid thing about Kashmir is that Pakistan is the only country in the region that is "in the right" with this one specific situation of ownership, and they're government is still a bunch of raving idiots.

Since the 1970s mullahs have been really controlling Pakistan's politicians which included the ban on ahmadis calling themselves Muslims. Mullahs definitely are influencing the president.

Not the Mullahs, the military, Imran Khan is a smart person, I doubt he is acting in his own will rn
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:54 pm

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They were nationalized with India when their Prince signed the treaty of annexation.

That's not was that word means.

Was Bikini Atoll Ethnic Cleasing I don't think so. If it makes you feel better instead of moving in more behaved residents we could use the area for nuclear testing like with Bikini. I imagine an irradiated area would be difficult for extremist to cross through.

So you are just having a laugh. That was a stupid waste of time.


I am just saying there are plenty of reasons to nationalize land without it being genocide.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:57 pm

it should be divided between india and pakistan
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:09 pm

La xinga wrote:it should be divided between india and pakistan

It was, that's the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir#1947_and_1948
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Postby La Xinga » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:17 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
La xinga wrote:it should be divided between india and pakistan

It was, that's the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir#1947_and_1948





exactly!the problem is that there is a problem!
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Postby Yanitza » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:24 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:
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Kashmir independence would be the most ideal solution

I’m up for the Maharaja to return

Lol I think that ship has sailed

Jolthig wrote:
Yanitza wrote:Pakistan itself will not be waging war on India over Kashmir, at least not intentionally. But you can bet the various Jihadist networks that operate in Kashmir are going to ramp up their militancy with Pakistan giving them more leeway to act and Kashmiri's likely to more supportive now due to India's actions.

I won't be surprised if Kashmir becomes a magnet for International Jihadism as well given the collapse of other fronts and Kashmir being a globally known issue.

And of course the US, Russia, and China will obviously get involved too. A brand new Syria/Iraq?


Oh yes no doubt, especially China and the United States. China would seem to have more to gain in backing Pakistan as a tool of weakening India (although their own claims on Kashmir complicate things) while the United States is in a more tricky position giving its historical ties with Pakistan.

Not quite Syria/Iraq as I very much doubt we will see state collapse and full scale civil war, but I think that Kashmir could see an influx of foriegn militants given its high profile status and lack of other fronts to attract them. I won't be surprised to see an IS affiliate spring up in Kashmir (either under IS Khorasan or a separate Wilayah) but they will likely be very peripheral actors as Kashmir's Jihadi landscape is already dominated by several well entrenched organisations with strong ties to Pakistan.

Jolthig wrote:
Heloin wrote:The stupid thing about Kashmir is that Pakistan is the only country in the region that is "in the right" with this one specific situation of ownership, and they're government is still a bunch of raving idiots.

Since the 1970s mullahs have been really controlling Pakistan's politicians which included the ban on ahmadis calling themselves Muslims. Mullahs definitely are influencing the president.


Pakistan's politics are really complicated and controlled by numerous moving parts and cliques. The Islamisation of Pakistan government and society was a result of Zia al Huq's infuence in the 1970's and 1980s who was politically close many Deobandi, ahl e Hadith and Jamaati Islami organisations and help bring them into power and influence. They certianly influence government decision making but are also depedant on the government for access to political power and patronage as well. It's complicated.

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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:06 am

Yanitza wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:I’m up for the Maharaja to return

Lol I think that ship has sailed

The only way Kashmiri Pandits can return to Kashmir without facing prosecution is through a Dogra restoration
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Postby The Hindustani State » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:54 pm


It’s clear Pakistan is starting to realize that revoking article 370 will allow Kashmiri Pandits to return, so they resort to petty things like egging police officers at independence day celebrations

That and Imran Khan admitting Balakot happened, which is something the government of Pakistan officially denies. This would be akin to Xi Jinping recognizing “Taiwan” as a country
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Postby Heloin » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:59 am

The Hindustani State wrote:
Heloin wrote:I don't think this paints the picture that you think painting.

It’s clear Pakistan is starting to realize that revoking article 370 will allow Kashmiri Pandits to return, so they resort to petty things like egging police officers at independence day celebrations

I don't think Pakistan actually gives two shits about the what the Pandits do as opposed to the fact that revoking article 370 is increasing tensions and the threat of war between the two nations.

That and Imran Khan admitting Balakot happened, which is something the government of Pakistan officially denies. This would be akin to Xi Jinping recognizing “Taiwan” as a country

Pakistan has never denied India bombing Pakistan. It's what they bombed that's up for debate. That and Balakot has none of the same weight as Taiwan.

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Postby Nuclear Wastelands » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:02 am

Can't we just have Kashmir become it's own nation smh
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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:10 pm

Heloin wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:It’s clear Pakistan is starting to realize that revoking article 370 will allow Kashmiri Pandits to return, so they resort to petty things like egging police officers at independence day celebrations

I don't think Pakistan actually gives two shits about the what the Pandits do as opposed to the fact that revoking article 370 is increasing tensions and the threat of war between the two nations.

Allowing Kashmiri Pandits to return to their home is a good thing isn’t it?
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Postby Heloin » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:16 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:
Heloin wrote:I don't think Pakistan actually gives two shits about the what the Pandits do as opposed to the fact that revoking article 370 is increasing tensions and the threat of war between the two nations.

Allowing Kashmiri Pandits to return to their home is a good thing isn’t it?

Risking escalating the war in Kashmir and cracking down on the Kasmiri people isn't.

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Postby The Hindustani State » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:22 pm

Heloin wrote:
The Hindustani State wrote:Allowing Kashmiri Pandits to return to their home is a good thing isn’t it?

Risking escalating the war in Kashmir and cracking down on the Kasmiri people isn't.

Kashmiri Pandits aren’t Kashmiri people?
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Postby Heloin » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:28 pm

The Hindustani State wrote:
Heloin wrote:Risking escalating the war in Kashmir and cracking down on the Kasmiri people isn't.

Kashmiri Pandits aren’t Kashmiri people?

Asking if the Kashmiri Pandits returning home is a good thing is irrelevant to the topic because India doesn't give a fuck about them either. None of this is about that Pandits because they are just being used as a justification for a brutal crackdown of Kashmir and the destruction of the region for the sole benefit of India.

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Samudera Darussalam wrote:There were riots in Srinagar, and Trump offered to mediate.

Oh well, let's look how this will end.


Trump? As mediator of the Kashmiri conflict? Oh dear.
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