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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Sure, if you're angry at the right thing. Not so much so if you outright identify one of the systemic issues that outright causes shit like the mass-shooting at El Paso to happen but then get furious when somebody brings up the obvious solution to that.


He was tho.


So how exactly is Socialism causing these mass-shootings, then, if you think Paddy was angry at the right thing?
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:01 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Kowani wrote:I will never understand this logic.


It's easy enough. If it was a terrorist attack, right wingers would demand changes to prevent more of them, which is understandable, and crackdowns on Muslims, which is also understandable given their Islamaphobia. After shootings, they demand some unique type of timeout before anyone talks about this sort of thing because they don't want to do anything about it. They don't really care about the victims, they just want to avoid losing their precious 17 guns.

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:02 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
It's easy enough. If it was a terrorist attack, right wingers would demand changes to prevent more of them, which is understandable, and crackdowns on Muslims, which is also understandable given their Islamaphobia. After shootings, they demand some unique type of timeout before anyone talks about this sort of thing because they don't want to do anything about it. They don't really care about the victims, they just want to avoid losing their precious 17 guns.

Therm’s a Socialist.


And I'm the Queen of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:02 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Kowani wrote:I will never understand this logic.


It's easy enough. If it was a terrorist attack, right wingers would demand changes to prevent more of them, which is understandable, and crackdowns on Muslims, which is also understandable given their Islamaphobia. After shootings, they demand some unique type of timeout before anyone talks about this sort of thing because they don't want to do anything about it. They don't really care about the victims, they just want to avoid losing their precious 17 guns.


:roll:

Kindly refrain from spewing flat out bigoted lies about people you know nothing about, would you please?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:02 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He was tho.


So how exactly is Socialism causing these mass-shootings, then, if you think Paddy was angry at the right thing?


It isn't at least, not directly. But there is a bigger picture.
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Postby Vetalia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:03 pm

Tobleste wrote:It's easy enough. If it was a terrorist attack, right wingers would demand changes to prevent more of them, which is understandable, and crackdowns on Muslims, which is also understandable given their Islamaphobia. After shootings, they demand some unique type of timeout before anyone talks about this sort of thing because they don't want to do anything about it. They don't really care about the victims, they just want to avoid losing their precious 17 guns.


Gun ownership laws were much more lax or even nonexistent in years past and yet there were few, if any, mass shootings. There's a deeper problem here and all the gun control in the world isn't going to stop it.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:03 pm

Cerinda wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You think that these are coordinated attacks?

Might be, I guess we'll have to find out and see.

Not necessarily coordinated, but this might be a copycat.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:03 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:Therm’s a Socialist.


And I'm the Queen of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

Well, he is.


Telconi wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So how exactly is Socialism causing these mass-shootings, then, if you think Paddy was angry at the right thing?


It isn't at least, not directly. Bit there is a bigger picture.

And that picture is?
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So how exactly is Socialism causing these mass-shootings, then, if you think Paddy was angry at the right thing?


It isn't at least, not directly. Bit there is a bigger picture.


"Not directly". So basically you're saying Socialism has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with these mass-shootings, but you're just acting like it is so you can avoid being wrong. Gotcha.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:03 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
And I'm the Queen of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

Well, he is.


Telconi wrote:
It isn't at least, not directly. Bit there is a bigger picture.

And that picture is?


The overall welfare of the American people.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:04 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
And I'm the Queen of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

Well, he is.


I'll take that with a metric ton of salt, considering how much Tel shits on Socialism.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He was tho.


So how exactly is Socialism causing these mass-shootings, then, if you think Paddy was angry at the right thing?


I never made the claim that they were in the first place. I do firmly believe that it isn't the magical cure all answer to them that you think it is.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, he is.


I'll take that with a metric ton of salt, considering how much Tel shits on Socialism.


You do realize that different people are different right?
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:05 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again- the only way to curtail mass shootings is to ban all reporting of them, and enforce the ban.
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:05 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
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Well, not with any defeatist attitude and certainly not with our current government, at any rate. If we could nip in the bud the bullshit that's driving people into the dredges of far-right ideologies and the bullshit that turns normal people to crime, such as poverty, then we could.


We could, but we won't. California's absolutely laughable amounts of poverty despite it's economy while it's leadership vacations in foreign countries just to troll Trump instead of addressing actual issues is a pretty fine example of why shit's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Jolthig wrote:Sadly, that's how the politicians will treat it as until they finally decide to do something.


Still doesn't make it "just another day in America".

That's literally what they treat it as though.
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“Und Mirza”

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Postby Diopolis » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:Well, he is.


I'll take that with a metric ton of salt, considering how much Tel shits on Socialism.

IIRC, Therm is a Titoist.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:06 pm

Diopolis wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again- the only way to curtail mass shootings is to ban all reporting of them, and enforce the ban.


Fist Amendment is less important than the second amendment?

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:06 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Still doesn't make it "just another day in America".

That's literally what they treat it as though.


And?

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Postby Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Sadly, that's how the politicians will treat it as until they finally decide to do something.

Completely off topic, but I almost expected you to have one of those “Und Doch” flags but Ahmadiyya.

Lol why

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Jolthig wrote:That's literally what they treat it as though.


And?

There is no "and".
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Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

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Fartsniffage wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again- the only way to curtail mass shootings is to ban all reporting of them, and enforce the ban.


Fist Amendment is less important than the second amendment?

I don't think either of them apply to obvious dangers to the public.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:07 pm

How is it that with innocent civilians, the police are all trigger happy, but with an active shooter, he gets arrested?
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
So how exactly is Socialism causing these mass-shootings, then, if you think Paddy was angry at the right thing?


I never made the claim that they were in the first place.


And I never said that you did.

I do firmly believe that it isn't the magical cure all answer to them that you think it is.


I don't think it's a magical cure-all, which is specifically why I said in my very first post in this thread "Something needs to be done to put a stop to this shit as much as is possible." I think Socialism's the closest thing to being able to put a stop to shit like this as much as is possible, on account of how it can solve many of the systemic problems in America that directly or indirectly lead to this kind of shit.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Jolthig wrote:That's literally what they treat it as though.


And?


And that's how it is treated by those in power. Regardless of what people think will be a solution, none of the solutions ever seem to materialise. It's just another day.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:09 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:And?

There is no "and".


Clearly... :roll:

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:09 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I'll take that with a metric ton of salt, considering how much Tel shits on Socialism.

IIRC, Therm is a Titoist.


Therm and Tel are different people.
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"When the people are being hit with a stick, they are not happier if the stick is called “the stick of the people”. The State is an oppression that must be abolished."
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