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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:38 pm

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Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Were not sadly.

Just another day in America, m'right? :/

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:39 pm

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Were not sadly.

Just another day in America, m'right? :/


Nope, you would be wrong.

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Postby Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:39 pm

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Jolthig wrote:Just another day in America, m'right? :/

“That Government of Wall Street, by Wall Street, for Wall Street shall not be allowed to perish from the earth.”

And so it is.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:39 pm

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Kannap wrote:Sad news, once again.

When are we going to do something about the mass shooting problem?


Were not sadly.


Well, not with any defeatist attitude and certainly not with our current government, at any rate. If we could nip in the bud the bullshit that's driving people into the dredges of far-right ideologies and the bullshit that turns normal people to crime, such as poverty, then we could.
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:39 pm

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Jolthig wrote:Just another day in America, m'right? :/


Nope, you would be wrong.

Sadly, that's how the politicians will treat it as until they finally decide to do something.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:41 pm

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Jolthig wrote:Just another day in America, m'right? :/

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Postby Highever » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:41 pm

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Highever wrote:One of the most common rifles on the market that is also relatively inexpensive were used by two separate people? Cant be a coincidence!

You mean terrorist attacks that happened in mere days of each other and where the attackers had a shared ideology? Can't ever be related!

I mean the shared ideology is a far bigger indicator of relation than just two people using a pretty common weapon, which is what I interpreted as your first post. But I could have been mistaken.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:42 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Were not sadly.


Well, not with any defeatist attitude and certainly not with our current government, at any rate. If we could nip in the bud the bullshit that's driving people into the dredges of far-right ideologies and the bullshit that turns normal people to crime, such as poverty, then we could.


We could, but we won't. California's absolutely laughable amounts of poverty despite it's economy while it's leadership vacations in foreign countries just to troll Trump instead of addressing actual issues is a pretty fine example of why shit's not going anywhere anytime soon.

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Nope, you would be wrong.

Sadly, that's how the politicians will treat it as until they finally decide to do something.


Still doesn't make it "just another day in America".
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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:43 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Nope, you would be wrong.

Sadly, that's how the politicians will treat it as until they finally decide to do something.

Completely off topic, but I almost expected you to have one of those “Und Doch” flags but Ahmadiyya.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:46 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:We could, but we won't. California's absolutely laughable amounts of poverty despite it's economy while it's leadership vacations in foreign countries just to troll Trump instead of addressing actual issues is a pretty fine example of why shit's not going anywhere anytime soon.


Lower than Texas. Where this happened.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us- ... -rate.html

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:46 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Well, not with any defeatist attitude and certainly not with our current government, at any rate. If we could nip in the bud the bullshit that's driving people into the dredges of far-right ideologies and the bullshit that turns normal people to crime, such as poverty, then we could.


We could, but we won't. California's absolutely laughable amounts of poverty despite it's economy while it's leadership vacations in foreign countries just to troll Trump instead of addressing actual issues is a pretty fine example of why shit's not going anywhere anytime soon.


Unironically that's just another reason among many why we need some form of non-authoritarian Socialism in America. The sheer amount of shit that could be solved by having the economy's means of production and resources shared in common rather than held in the hands of a few - such as the systemic problems currently plaguing society that drive a good deal of people toward hateful ideologies that eventually compel a number of them to eventually commit shit like mass-murder - is tremendous.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:47 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
We could, but we won't. California's absolutely laughable amounts of poverty despite it's economy while it's leadership vacations in foreign countries just to troll Trump instead of addressing actual issues is a pretty fine example of why shit's not going anywhere anytime soon.


Unironically that's just another reason among many why we need some form of non-authoritarian Socialism in America. The sheer amount of shit that could be solved by having the economy's means of production and resources shared in common rather than held in the hands of a few - such as the systemic problems currently plaguing society that drive a good deal of people toward hateful ideologies that eventually compel a number of them to eventually commit shit like mass-murder - is tremendous.


Fuck Socialism in America.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:49 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Unironically that's just another reason among many why we need some form of non-authoritarian Socialism in America. The sheer amount of shit that could be solved by having the economy's means of production and resources shared in common rather than held in the hands of a few - such as the systemic problems currently plaguing society that drive a good deal of people toward hateful ideologies that eventually compel a number of them to eventually commit shit like mass-murder - is tremendous.


Fuck Socialism in America.

Yeah, how dare we attempt to fix our problems. ‘Cause clearly, neoliberalism isn’t doing jack shit.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
We could, but we won't. California's absolutely laughable amounts of poverty despite it's economy while it's leadership vacations in foreign countries just to troll Trump instead of addressing actual issues is a pretty fine example of why shit's not going anywhere anytime soon.


Unironically that's just another reason among many why we need some form of non-authoritarian Socialism in America. The sheer amount of shit that could be solved by having the economy's means of production and resources shared in common rather than held in the hands of a few - such as the systemic problems currently plaguing society that drive a good deal of people toward hateful ideologies that eventually compel a number of them to eventually commit shit like mass-murder - is tremendous.


How is a hateful ideology a cure to hateful ideologies?
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:49 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Unironically that's just another reason among many why we need some form of non-authoritarian Socialism in America. The sheer amount of shit that could be solved by having the economy's means of production and resources shared in common rather than held in the hands of a few - such as the systemic problems currently plaguing society that drive a good deal of people toward hateful ideologies that eventually compel a number of them to eventually commit shit like mass-murder - is tremendous.


Fuck Socialism in America.


Well, that attitude's certainly not how you're gonna cure the systemic problems that drive people to shit like what just happened in El Paso.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:49 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Unironically that's just another reason among many why we need some form of non-authoritarian Socialism in America. The sheer amount of shit that could be solved by having the economy's means of production and resources shared in common rather than held in the hands of a few - such as the systemic problems currently plaguing society that drive a good deal of people toward hateful ideologies that eventually compel a number of them to eventually commit shit like mass-murder - is tremendous.


Fuck Socialism in America.


Compelling argument...

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:52 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:We could, but we won't. California's absolutely laughable amounts of poverty despite it's economy while it's leadership vacations in foreign countries just to troll Trump instead of addressing actual issues is a pretty fine example of why shit's not going anywhere anytime soon.


Lower than Texas. Where this happened.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us- ... -rate.html


Indeed.

Fartsniffage wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Fuck Socialism in America.


Compelling argument...


You are implying that I was trying to make one in the first place, and not just plainly saying fuck no to an absolutely laughable ideology that won't fix shit.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Fuck Socialism in America.


Well, that attitude's certainly not how you're gonna cure the systemic problems that drive people to shit like what just happened in El Paso.


I'm pretty sure anger is a common emotion which drives change.
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Postby United Pishon Edenic Union » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:53 pm

Imperial States America wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/active-shooting-at-walmart-in-el-paso-texas-police-say/ar-AAFhWaz?ocid=spartanntp
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/el-pa ... index.html

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/ ... 910012001/

Multiple people were killed Saturday in a shooting in El Paso, Texas, the chief of staff to the city's mayor said.
Suspects are in custody, Olivia Zepeda said. It wasn't immediately clear how many people were in custody or how many had been killed or hurt.


not much in the media pipe lines but multiple agencies reported that around 18 people injured from the shooting and multiple businesses near the area as well as a school near by were placed on lock down.


Update: Multiple people are dead and three people are in custody after a shooting Saturday morning at an El Paso, Texas Walmart, according to authorities.
"We're searching multiple scenes, but primarily the Walmart," said Sgt. Enrique Carrillo of the El Paso Police Department, pointing to a nearby mall as another area of focus. "There is not an imminent threat. There is no active shooter currently."
Mayor Dee Margo told CNN three people are in custody, but he did not give a number of victims.
"This is a tragedy we would have never ever thought would happen in El Paso," he said.
The police department tweeted to stay away from the Cielo Vista Mall area. The police also said people should avoid the area from Airway Boulevard to Hawkins Boulevard to north of Interstate 10, near the Walmart.
Multiple videos on social media posted by shoppers have shown people fleeing the nearby mall.



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Postby The South Falls » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:53 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Lower than Texas. Where this happened.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us- ... -rate.html


Indeed.

The first step has to be to lower housing costs.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Aren't red states like Texas supposed to be all about Good Guys With Guns and the blue states are the places mass shooters have a field day?

About that…

Quelle surprise.

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Well, that attitude's certainly not how you're gonna cure the systemic problems that drive people to shit like what just happened in El Paso.


I'm pretty sure anger is a common emotion which drives change.


Sure, if you're angry at the right thing. Not so much so if you outright identify one of the systemic issues that outright causes shit like the mass-shooting at El Paso to happen but then get furious when somebody brings up the obvious solution to that.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:56 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm pretty sure anger is a common emotion which drives change.


Sure, if you're angry at the right thing. Not so much so if you outright identify one of the systemic issues that outright causes shit like the mass-shooting at El Paso to happen but then get furious when somebody brings up the obvious solution to that.


He was tho.
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Postby Tobleste » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:58 pm

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh cut it out Gauth. You can go grandstand somewhere else, let the bodies cool will ya though?

I will never understand this logic.


It's easy enough. If it was a terrorist attack, right wingers would demand changes to prevent more of them, which is understandable, and crackdowns on Muslims, which is also understandable given their Islamaphobia. After shootings, they demand some unique type of timeout before anyone talks about this sort of thing because they don't want to do anything about it. They don't really care about the victims, they just want to avoid losing their precious 17 guns.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:00 pm

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Kowani wrote:I will never understand this logic.


It's easy enough. If it was a terrorist attack, right wingers would demand changes to prevent more of them, which is understandable, and crackdowns on Muslims, which is also understandable given their Islamaphobia. After shootings, they demand some unique type of timeout before anyone talks about this sort of thing because they don't want to do anything about it. They don't really care about the victims, they just want to avoid losing their precious 17 guns.


You do realise things can be terrorism without Muslims being involved, right?
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