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Postby Ghost Land » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:13 am

Anecdotally I believe there is a bias. I have lived in Wisconsin all my life and found there to be a definite leftist slant in what we were taught and in general what we experienced at school. We spent untold hours obsessing over the atrocities of the Holocaust, even having a two-month unit on it in seventh-grade English (seriously), and the actions of types like Stalin and Mao were glossed over almost completely. In my 11th-grade government class, I was one of only two (class size 15) who weren't Democrats, which led me to be quite outspoken whenever we'd have a class discussion. Don't even get me started on all the pro-liberal or pro-socialist comments made subtly by teachers throughout their lessons. As a right-wing libertarian, I usually found myself surrounded by the exact opposite of my beliefs; heck, even a lot of my friends were hardcore Democrats. It was crazy!
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Postby Chiapo » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:40 am

I won't say the modern schools have a liberal bias.
Fact is, since we live in a modern world with modern values, it is imperative that this generation teachers and professors speak and approach about contemporary subjects and issues with a more humane stance. Contemporaneous politics have a heavy emphasis on social issues. Things changed, fortunately.
If many believe that 21st century education institutes are biased, than I say in the past there was a conservative bias. And thank goodness this conservative, self-righteous, racist old bias is withering away.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:51 am

Hakons wrote:It depends on the school, in aggregate they have a liberal bias, but not every school does. My university has mostly left wing professors, staff, and students, but my high school had mostly right wing professors, staff, and students. So far neither viewpoints have created much explicit bias in my education. It's not that hard to not let biased teachers influence you. What IS a bit scary is what Education schools are like, especially for primary education. Those are formative years for children, so teachers that have clear bias then are pretty dangerous.


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Postby Tombradyonia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:16 am

Valrifell wrote:
Hakons wrote:It depends on the school, in aggregate they have a liberal bias, but not every school does. My university has mostly left wing professors, staff, and students, but my high school had mostly right wing professors, staff, and students. So far neither viewpoints have created much explicit bias in my education. It's not that hard to not let biased teachers influence you. What IS a bit scary is what Education schools are like, especially for primary education. Those are formative years for children, so teachers that have clear bias then are pretty dangerous.


"Alright kids, after recess we do finger painting and then story time. Today we're reading Das Kapital! Hooray!"


Not nearly as bad as say, forcing the bible on innocent young minds.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:17 am

Tombradyonia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
"Alright kids, after recess we do finger painting and then story time. Today we're reading Das Kapital! Hooray!"


Not nearly as bad as say, forcing the bible on innocent young minds.

I mean, it's the same general idea.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:18 am

Valrifell wrote:
Hakons wrote:It depends on the school, in aggregate they have a liberal bias, but not every school does. My university has mostly left wing professors, staff, and students, but my high school had mostly right wing professors, staff, and students. So far neither viewpoints have created much explicit bias in my education. It's not that hard to not let biased teachers influence you. What IS a bit scary is what Education schools are like, especially for primary education. Those are formative years for children, so teachers that have clear bias then are pretty dangerous.


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Postby Ghost Land » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:08 pm

Chiapo wrote:I won't say the modern schools have a liberal bias.
Fact is, since we live in a modern world with modern values, it is imperative that this generation teachers and professors speak and approach about contemporary subjects and issues with a more humane stance. Contemporaneous politics have a heavy emphasis on social issues. Things changed, fortunately.
If many believe that 21st century education institutes are biased, than I say in the past there was a conservative bias. And thank goodness this conservative, self-righteous, racist old bias is withering away.

Accusing conservatism of being "self-righteous" and "racist", and saying liberalism is "more humane" than conservatism.

Nope, not a bit of (ironically intolerant) rhetoric anybody hasn't heard before. :roll:
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:19 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
"Alright kids, after recess we do finger painting and then story time. Today we're reading Das Kapital! Hooray!"

Class, we'll sing pop goes the weasel, london bridge is falling down, and The Internationale today.

"London Bridge Is Falling Down?" Must be anti-UK sentiment disguised as a critique of flawed engineering. :p
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:23 pm

Many times yes. Public schools should be gutted tbh.

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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:09 pm

Arlenton wrote:Many times yes. Public schools should be gutted tbh.


...Why? If anything they should be given more funding.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:14 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Many times yes. Public schools should be gutted tbh.


...Why? If anything they should be given more funding.

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Postby Strahcoin » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:03 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Many times yes. Public schools should be gutted tbh.


...Why? If anything they should be given more funding.

No. It would mean a greater strain on the taxpayers.
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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:12 am

There is only one main problem with social liberalism, namely it is nice while the universe is cruel. To be a soc lib is to defy the dark nature of the universe. That's of course fine. It just requires extra resources. That's why only those who aren't starving can afford to be soc libs and that soc libs are perpetually in danger of barbarian invasions, or more accurately, trad oppression.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:16 am

Strahcoin wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
...Why? If anything they should be given more funding.

No. It would mean a greater strain on the taxpayers.


Not necessarily.

Neko-koku wrote:There is only one main problem with social liberalism, namely it is nice while the universe is cruel. To be a soc lib is to defy the dark nature of the universe. That's of course fine. It just requires extra resources. That's why only those who aren't starving can afford to be soc libs.


Careful with the edge, buddy.
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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:23 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:No. It would mean a greater strain on the taxpayers.


Not necessarily.

Neko-koku wrote:There is only one main problem with social liberalism, namely it is nice while the universe is cruel. To be a soc lib is to defy the dark nature of the universe. That's of course fine. It just requires extra resources. That's why only those who aren't starving can afford to be soc libs.


Careful with the edge, buddy.

I'm just speaking the truth. What if we become nice and humane while aliens suddenly arrive and kill us all? We don't want to be Morioris, do we?
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:37 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
Not necessarily.



Careful with the edge, buddy.

I'm just speaking the truth. What if we become nice and humane while aliens suddenly arrive and kill us all? We don't want to be Morioris, do we?


I find it vastly more likely that any alien race that has achieved interstellar travel would be at a technological level that would render any reason for a hostile invasion moot.

What if nice and humane (aliene?) aliens find us, but do not initiate contact upon finding a species that cannot even treat its own kind in any respectable manner?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:39 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:I'm just speaking the truth. What if we become nice and humane while aliens suddenly arrive and kill us all? We don't want to be Morioris, do we?


I find it vastly more likely that any alien race that has achieved interstellar travel would be at a technological level that would render any reason for a hostile invasion moot.

What if nice and humane (aliene?) aliens find us, but do not initiate contact upon finding a species that cannot even treat its own kind in any respectable manner?


Then we are better off. Nothing good can come from Aliens.
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Postby Tombradyonia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:40 am

Strahcoin wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
...Why? If anything they should be given more funding.

No. It would mean a greater strain on the taxpayers.


The military is a far greater strain. Also, corporate welfare.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:41 am

Tombradyonia wrote:
Strahcoin wrote:No. It would mean a greater strain on the taxpayers.


The military is a far greater strain. Also, corporate welfare.


The military is not a strain at all. It's the purpose of our taxes to begin with. Everything else is just fluff.
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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:42 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:I'm just speaking the truth. What if we become nice and humane while aliens suddenly arrive and kill us all? We don't want to be Morioris, do we?


I find it vastly more likely that any alien race that has achieved interstellar travel would be at a technological level that would render any reason for a hostile invasion moot.

What if nice and humane (aliene?) aliens find us, but do not initiate contact upon finding a species that cannot even treat its own kind in any respectable manner?


The Dark Forest. Social norms require prolonged social contact to be stable. The more sparsely populated the universe is the more likely that aliens we will encounter don't have good interspecies, let alone interstellar/intergalactic norms.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:47 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
I find it vastly more likely that any alien race that has achieved interstellar travel would be at a technological level that would render any reason for a hostile invasion moot.

What if nice and humane (aliene?) aliens find us, but do not initiate contact upon finding a species that cannot even treat its own kind in any respectable manner?


Then we are better off. Nothing good can come from Aliens.


Intercultural exchanges of ideas are necessary to avoid stagnation. Besides, they could share technology, art, cuisine if we're lucky...also they might be hot, just sayin'

But this is starting to drift from the topic, I think.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:51 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
The military is a far greater strain. Also, corporate welfare.


The military is not a strain at all. It's the purpose of our taxes to begin with. Everything else is just fluff.


Infrastructure? Educating the youth? Laws? Pfff. All we need is the boys to go pew-pew at whoever has oil the dirty commies the enemies of the greatest nation on earth!!!!
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Perhaps this is just my anecdote and nothing more, but even in the conservative Southern United States, the public schools and universities here regularly plaster the walls with liberal messages advertising things like seminars on racialized emotions and celebrations of Hispanic LGBTQ+ students. Students at my university have to go through mandatory courses before attending college on "sexual harassment and consent," which is a complete joke that tries to sterilize every normal interaction between couples and friends in a manner directly akin to what many SJWs encourage. Whenever relevant, anything from humanities courses to life science courses will inevitably force the progressive view on things like history, sociology, and the environment on students because of public academia's rich, well-documented ties to progressive politicians who advocate stuffing these schools and universities with cash. Public education has become a joke, and anything connected to government-funded academia (including scientific associations and journals) has been politicized thanks to the Establishment's rampant cronyism.

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Postby Tombradyonia » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:12 am

Cruciland wrote:Perhaps this is just my anecdote and nothing more, but even in the conservative Southern United States, the public schools and universities here regularly plaster the walls with liberal messages advertising things like seminars on racialized emotions and celebrations of Hispanic LGBTQ+ students. Students at my university have to go through mandatory courses before attending college on "sexual harassment and consent," which is a complete joke that tries to sterilize every normal interaction between couples and friends in a manner directly akin to what many SJWs encourage. Whenever relevant, anything from humanities courses to life science courses will inevitably force the progressive view on things like history, sociology, and the environment on students because of public academia's rich, well-documented ties to progressive politicians who advocate stuffing these schools and universities with cash. Public education has become a joke, and anything connected to government-funded academia (including scientific associations and journals) has been politicized thanks to the Establishment's rampant cronyism.


Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Which is exactly why the right wing created phrases like "fake news" and "alternative facts". And then proceed to lie to your face without blinking.
"This crowd is the biggest ever"! Then you show them pictures of actual bigger crowds. "Fake news!"
"Trump is so badass, he never settles court cases". Then you show them the court record of 1,200+ settlements. "Fake news!"

It's gotten so bad they just flat out deny easily provable facts.

Anyway, back to schools. So the CCVWs* encourage private schools so they can force the contents of the Wholly Babble™ on impressionable kids.

* conservative christian value warriors

Just think at how science keeps disagreeing with conservatives. Hell, just the theory of evolution alone has and continues to cause bitterness in the right wing because their Wholly Babble™ stories such as Genesis are essentially being mocked for the contradictory nonsense it really is.

Sorry conservatives, facts don't care about your feelings.
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Postby Neko-koku » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:14 am

Tombradyonia wrote:
Cruciland wrote:Perhaps this is just my anecdote and nothing more, but even in the conservative Southern United States, the public schools and universities here regularly plaster the walls with liberal messages advertising things like seminars on racialized emotions and celebrations of Hispanic LGBTQ+ students. Students at my university have to go through mandatory courses before attending college on "sexual harassment and consent," which is a complete joke that tries to sterilize every normal interaction between couples and friends in a manner directly akin to what many SJWs encourage. Whenever relevant, anything from humanities courses to life science courses will inevitably force the progressive view on things like history, sociology, and the environment on students because of public academia's rich, well-documented ties to progressive politicians who advocate stuffing these schools and universities with cash. Public education has become a joke, and anything connected to government-funded academia (including scientific associations and journals) has been politicized thanks to the Establishment's rampant cronyism.


Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Which is exactly why the right wing created phrases like "fake news" and "alternative facts".

So the CCVW*s encourage private schools so they can force the contents of the Wholly Babble™ on impressionable kids.

* conservative christian value warriors

Just think at how science keeps disagreeing with conservatives. Hell, just the theory of evolution alone has and continues to cause bitterness in the right wing because their Wholly Babble™ stories such as Genesis are essentially being mocked for the contradictory nonsense it really is.

Sorry conservatives, facts don't care about your feelings.

This also applies to soc lib claims such as blank slatism. Yes, facts don't care about your feelings.

See? We have to unpack "conservatives" and "liberals". They are just unclear terms.
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