Do Schools Have Liberal Bias?

[Tobleste]

Also, in an American context, facts have a left wing bias so any organisation that's concerned with facts (e.g. schools, think-tanks, media) and does it's job properly will be accused of being biased.

[Bastion Remnant]

Schools do have a left bias. Where I went to high school, I was taught about social Justice, and racial "discussions" were mandatory, where they would pack everyone in the 2900 student school and let PoC talk about how much White People sucked. However, my school absolutely hated Slavs, and even showed a sympathetic light to Nazi Germany on the Eastern Front. (Not saying the Soviets were innocent, but they didn't kill 6 million Jews for nothing) For example, the teacher would say

"The Germans, who had preemptively invaded the Soviet Union out of fear of being Killed, were pushed back to Germany by the ruthless Soviet advances, killing men, women, and children indiscriminately."

[Highever]

Schools do have a left bias. Where I went to high school, I was taught about social Justice, and racial "discussions" were mandatory, where they would pack everyone in the 2900 student school and let PoC talk about how much White People sucked. However, my school absolutely hated Slavs, and even showed a sympathetic light to Nazi Germany on the Eastern Front. (Not saying the Soviets were innocent, but they didn't kill 6 million Jews for nothing) For example, the teacher would say

"The Germans, who had preemptively invaded the Soviet Union out of fear of being Killed, were pushed back to Germany by the ruthless Soviet advances, killing men, women, and children indiscriminately."

I may be misinterpreting but what exactly do you mean when they saidthey didnt commit the holocaust for nothing?

[Bastion Remnant]

Schools do have a left bias. Where I went to high school, I was taught about social Justice, and racial "discussions" were mandatory, where they would pack everyone in the 2900 student school and let PoC talk about how much White People sucked. However, my school absolutely hated Slavs, and even showed a sympathetic light to Nazi Germany on the Eastern Front. (Not saying the Soviets were innocent, but they didn't kill 6 million Jews for nothing) For example, the teacher would say

"The Germans, who had preemptively invaded the Soviet Union out of fear of being Killed, were pushed back to Germany by the ruthless Soviet advances, killing men, women, and children indiscriminately."

I may be misinterpreting but what exactly do you mean when they saidthey didnt commit the holocaust for nothing?

I mean that there was no legitimate reason. The Jews were not revolting, they were not committing genocide on the German people (So the Germans were not committing counter-genocide), Jewish people were not overly militant or murderous on any sizable scale (Individuals, sure, but the whole race cannot be blamed for the actions of one awful individual person), and the Jews were not aiding enemies of Germany until they themselves became the enemies of Nazi Germany. I guess I wanted to point out that the Holocaust and Jew-hatred was extreme racism, rather than a defensive stand against a conqueror.

[Farnhamia]

I may be misinterpreting but what exactly do you mean when they saidthey didnt commit the holocaust for nothing?

I mean that there was no legitimate reason. The Jews were not revolting, they were not committing genocide on the German people (So the Germans were not committing counter-genocide), Jewish people were not overly militant or murderous on any sizable scale (Individuals, sure, but the whole race cannot be blamed for the actions of one awful individual person), and the Jews were not aiding enemies of Germany until they themselves became the enemies of Nazi Germany. I guess I wanted to point out that the Holocaust and Jew-hatred was extreme racism, rather than a defensive stand against a conqueror.

Okay, so now bring it back to the topic, do schools have a liberal bias?

[Strahcoin]

1. John Stossel disagrees with the "detrimental" part. So do four climate scientists. And non-human species (like krill) die all the time - it's called "evolution by natural selection". (Granted, one may consider it unnatural, yet one must consider all possibilities before jumping into conclusions - what if it isn't climate change, but something else?).

John Stossel is a pundit. Why would I give a shit about what he has to say on this matter?
Four entire climate scientists. Jeez, you sure convinced me.
Natural selection is not inherently a force for good, and our contributions to that process are the reason that krill are losing their success. That should be minimized if we don't want ourselves to get caught in the same situation of going to extinction.

True, but at least there will be a job for me to find and get.

One might exist, but the American (assuming you are, since you've used American political terminology) economy is fucked up right now. It is much more difficult to find a job that pays well and that you enjoy or tolerate than it is to find just any job, unless you're friendly with the idea of flipping burgers or cleaning toilets for a living.

The problem with such benefits (such as higher minimum wages) is that it costs money for the entrepreneurs and business owners, meaning they won't be able to hire more workers and will have to be more selective in choosing workers.

They also have more productive and motivated workers, which increases sales and efficiency. This allows them to pay workers more while maintaining a similar number of workers.

Hopefully, none actually do this in their extremes. However, it seems that some are close...

• "Harvard withdraws admission from Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv after his enemies unearth old racist social media posts"
• Ben Shapiro barred from entering DePaul University
• Anti-Trump homework assignment
• "Privelege" assignment
• According to a former Antifa member: "Antifa will only grow more aggressive if it is not stopped, and we must target it where is has found fertile ground—our college and university campuses. The seeds of this violence have been planted and are encouraged by leftist professors in the classroom. Over the last few years, there has been a growing trend of extremist professors advocating for violence and intimidation to force leftist ideology onto society."
• I'm sure there are more in the World Wide Web.

Some of these are slightly concerning. Most are not. I certainly don't see evidence of a widespread academic conspiracy in favor of US liberalism.

But anyways, I should probably amend my statement. Probably (hopefully), only very few schools actually support (or condone) physically assaulting so-called "bigots". But that's a few too many. A 3-4 year old short satirical clip exaggurates, yet still adequately illustrates, the leftist extremism seen in some (not all, obviously) schools.

Still no actual examples of this, just a shitty "parody" video. Nice work. 6 out of 10.

1. If you refuse to listen to John Stossel (or anybody with different ideologies) with an open mind, then you already lost the debate. And, with innovation fueled by free-market capitalism, humanity will not go extinct for a long, long, long time.
2. Umm... the GDP is rising, unemployment is at an all-time low, numerous jobs have been created, etc... doesn't seem like the economy is in a state of disaster.
3. Then why force them to do so? If paying the workers more is in the interests of the entrepreneurs, then a minimum wage would be unnecessary.
4. I'd say more than "slightly concerning".
5. The list contained the examples. And I liked the video.

Anyways, the point of schools is to expose students to different ideas, including to those some would deem "wrong". After all, if you want to convince students that you are correct and that I am not, then you will have to reasonably explain/show why you are correct and I am not. Otherwise, the students have no reason not to dismiss your ideas.

[Telconi]

Also, in an American context, facts have a left wing bias so any organisation that's concerned with facts (e.g. schools, think-tanks, media) and does it's job properly will be accused of being biased.

This is perhaps the most idiotic one liner ever created.

[Saiwania]

Are you a fan of doctors? Probably not, I presume?

I'm most definitely not, and I'll tell you why.

For the US anyways, most doctors are way too expensive for people who have crappy health insurance or no insurance at all. They can complain all they want about trying to keep their practice "financially in the black" but I've seen the houses medical professionals live in and the cars that they drive, generally speaking- it is all upscale. We are far removed from the days when doctors were paid unfair wages, the situation now is that perhaps they're paid too much for what they do- which often doesn't amount to much in terms of the patient actually benefiting. You often have way better luck diagnosing yourself and doing things your own way, than to allow a medical professional to give you too many "tests" to run up your bill just to see them.

The people that doctors try to gouge for money usually make only a fraction of what doctors make, but they try to justify it in saying that insurance should pay whatever it is that they want to charge patients but this is why everyone's health insurance premiums are so sky high to begin with. The prices medical providers want to charge is driving private insurers into the ground. A single MRI test doesn't cost no $2,000+ but they price it that way because they can.

[Kowani]

Also, in an American context, facts have a left wing bias so any organisation that's concerned with facts (e.g. schools, think-tanks, media) and does it's job properly will be accused of being biased.

This is perhaps the most idiotic one liner ever created.

At least when it comes to economics, even within a capitalist context, the American right is, for the most part, out of fucking whack.

[Telconi]

This is perhaps the most idiotic one liner ever created.

At least when it comes to economics, even within a capitalist context, the American right is, for the most part, out of fucking whack.

Facts are facts, they don't adhere to ideology.

[Cekoviu]

John Stossel is a pundit. Why would I give a shit about what he has to say on this matter?
Four entire climate scientists. Jeez, you sure convinced me.
Natural selection is not inherently a force for good, and our contributions to that process are the reason that krill are losing their success. That should be minimized if we don't want ourselves to get caught in the same situation of going to extinction.

One might exist, but the American (assuming you are, since you've used American political terminology) economy is fucked up right now. It is much more difficult to find a job that pays well and that you enjoy or tolerate than it is to find just any job, unless you're friendly with the idea of flipping burgers or cleaning toilets for a living.

They also have more productive and motivated workers, which increases sales and efficiency. This allows them to pay workers more while maintaining a similar number of workers.

Some of these are slightly concerning. Most are not. I certainly don't see evidence of a widespread academic conspiracy in favor of US liberalism.

Still no actual examples of this, just a shitty "parody" video. Nice work. 6 out of 10.

1. If you refuse to listen to John Stossel (or anybody with different ideologies) with an open mind, then you already lost the debate. And, with innovation fueled by free-market capitalism, humanity will not go extinct for a long, long, long time.

I mean, I'll listen to him. I'm just not going to trust barely substantiated babble, which is apparently problematic.

2. Umm... the GDP is rising, unemployment is at an all-time low, numerous jobs have been created, etc... doesn't seem like the economy is in a state of disaster.

For whom, though? Those jobs aren't going to young people.

3. Then why force them to do so? If paying the workers more is in the interests of the entrepreneurs, then a minimum wage would be unnecessary.

Two reasons: misconceptions among employers and politicians ignoring reality because "free markets".

4. I'd say more than "slightly concerning".

Maybe I would be more worried about it if I hadn't actually been in higher education. Out of the several dozen professors I've had, one mentioned political opinions in anything more than an off-hand remark, and she was a lab professor whom we saw for two hours once a week. Incidents like this once in a while aren't even slightly worrying to me because I know vastly more academics who are professional and have students' best interests at heart.

5. The list contained the examples. And I liked the video.

It contained examples of what could be charitably referred to as censorship and several incidents of political bias. I'm going to assume you merely misinterpreted what I said - I meant that there were no real examples of professors advocating for violence. Your two sources were a parody video and the personal opinions of an ex-antifascist, which are not data.

Anyways, the point of schools is to expose students to different ideas, including to those some would deem "wrong". After all, if you want to convince students that you are correct and that I am not, then you will have to reasonably explain/show why you are correct and I am not. Otherwise, the students have no reason not to dismiss your ideas.

I suggest you start your crusade with primary school math classes, which almost never exhibit proofs for any of the presented theorems. That is a much more pressing concern than earth science and biology teachers discussing the effects of climate change.

[Kowani]

At least when it comes to economics, even within a capitalist context, the American right is, for the most part, out of fucking whack.

Facts are facts, they don't adhere to ideology.

I am aware. It just so happens to be that right-wing American economics are not based around facts.

[Telconi]

Facts are facts, they don't adhere to ideology.

I am aware. It just so happens to be that right-wing American economics are not based around facts.

Economics are ideological, facts aren't.

[Wallenburg]

I am aware. It just so happens to be that right-wing American economics are not based around facts.

Economics are ideological, facts aren't.

Exactly. The right wing of America is totally divorced from any factual foundations. It then falls upon "the left", if you can call it that, to recognize facts as real.

[Telconi]

Economics are ideological, facts aren't.

Exactly. The right wing of America is totally divorced from any factual foundations. It then falls upon "the left", if you can call it that, to recognize facts as real.

How can you agree, and then post so much disagreeing nonsense?

[Metaloidia]

I am aware. It just so happens to be that right-wing American economics are not based around facts.

Economics are ideological, facts aren't.

Then why the hell do right wingers like you try to convince socialist that there economic ideology is wrong by using facts? If economic ideologies were not based on facts then there would be no point debating them using facts.

[Kowani]

I am aware. It just so happens to be that right-wing American economics are not based around facts.

Economics are ideological, facts aren't.

This ignores how economics work, then.

[Duvniask]

Also, in an American context, facts have a left wing bias so any organisation that's concerned with facts (e.g. schools, think-tanks, media) and does it's job properly will be accused of being biased.

This is perhaps the most idiotic one liner ever created.

I find it perplexing how you can pretty much go about flaming people and calling them idiots on this forum, so long as you do it indirectly.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Also, in an American context, facts have a left wing bias so any organisation that's concerned with facts (e.g. schools, think-tanks, media) and does it's job properly will be accused of being biased.

Facts don't have a political bias, or a political ideology. Facts are purely descriptive.=, political ideology necessarily has a prescriptive element.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

This is perhaps the most idiotic one liner ever created.

I find it perplexing how you can pretty much go about flaming people and calling them idiots on this forum, so long as you do it indirectly.

That's not really flaming. "That's dumb," is not flaming.

[Duvniask]

I find it perplexing how you can pretty much go about flaming people and calling them idiots on this forum, so long as you do it indirectly.

That's not really flaming. "That's dumb," is not flaming.

If I said "everything Xenopolis says is idiotic", would you not take that to mean that I'm essentially calling you an idiot? Because I'd take it that way. At the very least it's highly suggestive of having that meaning. It's just a way of getting around the rules, or at least their enforcement, and you can really push the boundaries of what's acceptable to say with it.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

That's not really flaming. "That's dumb," is not flaming.

If I said "everythong Xenopolis says is idiotic", would you not take that to mean that I'm essentially calling you an idiot? Because I'd take it that way. At the very least it's highly suggestive of having that meaning. It's just a way of getting around the rules, or at least their enforcement, and you can really push the boundaries of what's acceptable to say with it.

Telconi didn't say that though, as far as I'm aware. Maybe he did say that, or he says "that's extremely idiotic" on a lot of their posts in a targeted way. But I don't see him saying that, in that way.

[Tombradyonia]

The schools I went to all preached this free-for-all all-out free market nonsense. I wish I could talk to some of those teachers today and tell them how wrong they were.
The thing is, the reason conservatives perceive schools to have "moved left" is not because schools actually did move left. It's because conservatism moved to the right and into conspiraloonland.

Conservatives have increasingly adopted conspiracy theories and double down on them again and again even in the face of evidence that disproves them outright. According to them, the left is to blame for everything. They even try to suggest that fascism was a left wing ideology despite fascism closely collaborating with conservative politicians and businessmen to try and destroy communism and socialism.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/ ... -are-evil/

If you spend any time consuming right-wing media in America, you quickly learn the following: Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.

Conservatives love to ignore that the slaveholders in the antebellum south and the southern democrats were nearly all conservative. They love to ignore that Hitler only came to power in a coalition with conservative politicians and businessmen based on his pledge to destroy communism and drive out socialists (one of the first things he did in power is eliminate the individuals in his party that actually seemed to believe in socialism, and he did so when his conservative allies demanded it).

This belief in a broad liberal conspiracy is standard in the highest echelons of the conservative establishment and right-wing media. The Russia investigation is dismissed, from the president on down, as a politicized witch hunt. George Soros supposedly paid $300 to each participant in the “March for Our Lives” in March. (Disclosure: I marched that day, and I’m still awaiting my check.) What is less well appreciated by liberals is that the language of conspiracy is often used to justify similar behavior on the right. The Russia investigation is not just a witch hunt, it’s the product of the real scandal, which is Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate that. Soros funds paid campus protestors, so Turning Point USA needs millions of dollars from Republican donors to win university elections. The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs, so the Koch Foundation needs to give millions of dollars to universities with strings very much attached.

Conservative snowflakes are so scared of these imaginary conspiracies that only exist in their heads, that they openly say they need to do the very things that they falsely accuse the left of doing in order to 'level the playing field'. I mean, talk about a massive persecution complex.

This is also where the 27 year anti Clinton witch hunt/conspiracy theories come from. When the special prosecutor for Whitewater and the Vince Foster case filed his report, conservatives were irate that he dared to suggest that the facts were not what conservatives wanted them to be, and they demanded (and got) another prosecutor, Ken Starr. Starr also never found anything and is chiefly known for going after Clinton for adultery and lying about it.
And a GOP controlled congressional committee did the same. And that committee turned out to be consisting of a who's who of Republican adulterers (including Gingrich himself) and pederast Dennis Hastert (whom Fox tried to claim was secretly a democrat, just like they later did when GOP congressman Mark Foley was caught making moves on young male congressional pages).

Remember when molester Roy Moore lost the election in Alabama? Conservatives immediately claimed that Soros was bussing in illegals from other states to vote against Moore. This went unchallenged on Fox.
Remember how Trump lost the national popular vote (even if that is irrelevant)? Conservatives still claim millions of illegals voted and are yet to provide any evidence for this.
Remember how that immigrant caravan in Mexico (that's what they called it) was a clear and present danger for the USA? After the midterms they stopped peddling this nonsense.

And that's the main point, conservatives tend to lack in the department of providing the evidence for many of these ridiculous accusations they readily throw around.

This did not begin with Donald Trump. The modern Republican Party may be particularly apt to push conspiracy theories to rationalize its complicity with a staggeringly corrupt administration, but this is an extension of, not a break from, a much longer history. Since its very beginning, in the 1950s, members of the modern conservative movement have justified bad behavior by convincing themselves that the other side is worse. One of the binding agents holding the conservative coalition together over the course of the past half century has been an opposition to liberalism, socialism, and global communism built on the suspicion, sometimes made explicit, that there’s no real difference among them.

I agree with this. Trump is not the cause of any of it. He is the logical consequence of this. Trump openly preaches falsehoods that can be easily disproven, sometimes even contradicting readily available court record, and yet conservatives choose to believe him rather than the reality. One of the more innocent examples is when Trump claimed never to settle in court. Then the court record said he settled at least 1,200 cases already, and when confronted with such evidence Trump and his fanboys just keep flat out denying it, calling it 'fake news'.

'Fake news' as a term obviously doesn't mean that something isn't true. What it does mean is that by using the phrase, conservative politicians essentially tell their followers that it can be used to basically deny any reality, any science, any logic, any reason that conservatives don't like. Just dismiss it as 'fake news' and presto you're alright again.

The idea that the left is depraved, corrupt, and ruthless has been an important strain of American conservatism since the movement began. But in the Trump era, it has metastasized. Right-wing policy ideas have been so thoroughly discredited—does anyone even argue anymore that trickle-down economics will ensure mass prosperity?—that the only apparent reason for conservatism’s existence is to fight back against evil liberals. This is, of course, not the sign of a healthy political movement. The right’s support for McCarthy has been a long-standing embarrassment for American conservatism. Its embrace of Trump may be history repeating itself.

While I agree with the idea that much of right wing policy ideas are discredited and that conservatism isn't much more today than 'dem ebil libruls', they do manage to keep convincing just enough people to keep voting for them to allow for the election of a shady dog-whistle carnival barker like Trump (who was front and center of the 'birther conspiracy').

Some conservatives seems to believe that 'dem ebil libruls' will exterminate them and their families, then put them in FEMA camps to be slaves for Soros, then kill them again before indoctrinating them with socialism.

I actually think its kinda sad that conservatism has degenerated into this conspiracy theorist driven ideology today that exists merely to declare that anything that conservatives don't like is 'fake news' and should be dismissed accordingly. Prominent examples of this are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Bill O'Reilly etc are/were allowed to spout lie after lie with impunity, occasionally (like the broken clock) sprinkling in some truth.

Alex Jones, who before Trump certainly wasn't known for support of the GOP, seems to be on board these days too. That is when he isn't smearing the parents of children murdered at Sandy Hook and repeatedly urging his listeners to harass these people as 'government funded actors'. Also he pushed the ridiculous Pizzagate conspiracy over and over again, to the point where some loon decided to actually go there with a gun, thankfully nothing really happened that day in terms of shooting.

[Risottia]

This is just a thought I’d had for a while now, but when I was in (public) school, we learned about all the dangers of fascism, but never about Communist Russia and China, Stalin, and Marxism, or Venezuela and North Korea’s horrible socialism. I also learned things about how Elijah Cummings (who called his district “drug infested zombies” was the ‘moral of congress’ (what’s that supposed to mean)? I was also taught trump was bad, and several other liberal points. This concerns me since I wasn’t taught about the dangers of communism or the good things about conservatives. It wasn’t until I had a conservative teacher that taught us all of these things that I started to wonder: Are schools biased (in general, to any ideology).

So what do you think NSG? Are schools biased?

Yes, yes! Schools are terribly left-wing biased, and most of their focus is making students part of the liberal PC hivemind. That's why sensible, conservative students, who can discern hard fact from socialist propaganda, should leave schools asap and pursue education on their own, so to learn the unbiased truth and actually marketable skills.

[Tombradyonia]

This is just a thought I’d had for a while now, but when I was in (public) school, we learned about all the dangers of fascism, but never about Communist Russia and China, Stalin, and Marxism, or Venezuela and North Korea’s horrible socialism. I also learned things about how Elijah Cummings (who called his district “drug infested zombies” was the ‘moral of congress’ (what’s that supposed to mean)? I was also taught trump was bad, and several other liberal points. This concerns me since I wasn’t taught about the dangers of communism or the good things about conservatives. It wasn’t until I had a conservative teacher that taught us all of these things that I started to wonder: Are schools biased (in general, to any ideology).

So what do you think NSG? Are schools biased?

Yes, yes! Schools are terribly left-wing biased, and most of their focus is making students part of the liberal PC hivemind. That's why sensible, conservative students, who can discern hard fact from socialist propaganda, should leave schools asap and pursue education on their own, so to learn the unbiased truth and actually marketable skills.

I'm doing my part.
I'm a part time/substitute teacher who indoctrinates innocent kids with the liberal agenda every school day... those Soros checks sure come in handy

But nah. Fact over fiction, science over religion, logic and reason over conclusively disproven dogma like 'trickle down'.