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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:40 pm

Aureumterra wrote:I doubt the GOP is “doomed”, it’s just going to adapt to the newer political climate, in fact, the younger GOP politicians like Crenshaw are increasingly becoming classical liberals rather than full on conservatives, I think classical liberalism is where the party is headed


I both agree and disagree - the GOP certainly isn't due for collapse, that said, there is a stark divide in the party between the establishment, run of the mill laissez-faire conservatives such as Crenshaw and the Trumpian, nativist, protectionist and borderline alt-right wing. It's going to be an ideological battle between the party in coming years, and I may be pessimistic to assume this, but I think that for the next decade or so, the latter side is going to win.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:48 pm

Thyrgga wrote:
Ruffletrump wrote:The GOP has been doomed since 2016. By getting into bed with some of the worst elements of American society, he has essentially forever tarred the party of Lincoln as the party of racists, xenophobes, and those who are out of touch with reality. As much as I hate to admit it , he has cemented the GOP's reliance on a potent, albeit rapidly fading voter base(one which will inevitably fade into irrelevance over the coming decades). He's effectively ensured that no sane/self respecting person will want to associate with the Republican party in the near future.


Completely untrue. If the GOP manages to close the border, they'll secure victory forever, because abortion and birth control will cause demographic collapse of Democrat-voting populations. Also, the people of Lincoln's party were more ethnocentrist than most Republicans today.

You are aware that closing the border would crash the economy hence why they haven't done it.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:52 pm

Ruffletrump wrote:
Tornado Queendom wrote:Trust me, the Electoral college exists. Also, even if the republicans die out, some other party WILL take its place. You cannot stop "hateful" dicks.


Irrelevant. The electoral college will not necessarily favor the republican party/their successors in every election. If you would bother to look at recent demographic data you would notice that in key states such as Texas, Florida, Georgia(etc) the demographic makeup of those states is shifting from majority white to either majority minority or one that is more favorable to democrats(which means they will capture the electoral votes of those states.)

I'm too lazy to check right now, but isn't there data to suggest that majority minority states actually tend to favor republicans because whites consider themselves threatened by the dems?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:53 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then why are Republicans freaking out over the prospect?

They mostly aren't.
Why are Democrats investing heavily in a ground game and field organizers.
Because democrats are delusional and can't learn from their mistakes.
One of the primary reasons Texas is a red state is because its a non voting state. If people in the urban areas and Latino voters came out the state would be purple at minimum.

This is at best a half truth. Texas is red because of the southern-ness/intrinsic cultural conservatism, large military population, large population of republican voting seniors, and large energy sector that backs republican candidates out of economic self interest. It's true that higher Latin turnout would probably help the democrats, but Latinos is Texas vote more republican than in the rest of the state, so that alone is probably not enough to turn Texas purple.


If El Paso County had a higher turnout rate its very possible Beto could have won. If Harris County (Houston) started to vote more like Dallas and Travis(Austin) counties victory statewide for Republicans would no longer be assured. Tarrant County which is Fort Worth is beginning to shift as well. It was once a Republican stronghold.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:They mostly aren't.
Because democrats are delusional and can't learn from their mistakes.

This is at best a half truth. Texas is red because of the southern-ness/intrinsic cultural conservatism, large military population, large population of republican voting seniors, and large energy sector that backs republican candidates out of economic self interest. It's true that higher Latin turnout would probably help the democrats, but Latinos is Texas vote more republican than in the rest of the state, so that alone is probably not enough to turn Texas purple.


If El Paso County had a higher turnout rate its very possible Beto could have won. If Harris County (Houston) started to vote more like Dallas and Travis(Austin) counties victory statewide for Republicans would no longer be assured. Tarrant County which is Fort Worth is beginning to shift as well. It was once a Republican stronghold.

So, in other words, if more people would vote democrat Texas would be purple.
This is a tautology.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:56 pm

Diopolis wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If El Paso County had a higher turnout rate its very possible Beto could have won. If Harris County (Houston) started to vote more like Dallas and Travis(Austin) counties victory statewide for Republicans would no longer be assured. Tarrant County which is Fort Worth is beginning to shift as well. It was once a Republican stronghold.

So, in other words, if more people would vote democrat Texas would be purple.
This is a tautology.

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San Lumen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:So, in other words, if more people would vote democrat Texas would be purple.
This is a tautology.

what is a tautology?

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Tobleste wrote:
I went to reply to this after the other post I responded to. When I clicked on this tab and saw your last line, I've decided not to really bother or even read the full thing because I'm talking to a wall. I've explained why people view Republicans as racist and you're either not listening or don't care. I've explained why it's more than a few bad apples (it's the actual Republicans president ffs) and you respond the way most Republicans do; with a few talking points that wouldn't convince anyone with more than a 12 year olds education who didn't already agree with you because you don't seem to care about the truth. This is how you wound up with someone like trump (how can you be surprised that people think Republicans are idiotic bigots when they cheer the idiotic bigotry of an idiotic bigot?), why millions of Americans hate your party and why Republican presidents are frequently treated with either bemusement or contempt outside of America. Your party either doesn't think or doesn't care.

Next time someone calls Republicans bigots, don't ask them to explain why because you obviously don't really care why they think that or if it's true.

You know what, this is just bullshit. I'm not going to argue this anymore. You are probably also one of those people who said Trump is the reason why the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton happened instead of white supremacy.

You've pointed out a racism issue in America, and you should, there is no place for racism in America but, screaming Republicans are racist off of false primises and lies is just ridiculous. I assume you don't know anyone who has a conservative ideology because you obviously do not know who we are as people. I live in one of the most diverse places in America, I know many people that lean on both sides of the political spectrum. Not one of my friends who have liberal idealologies think that conservatives are racists, bigots, or sexists. It's disappointing that you believe that all Republicans are racist. Heck, you don't even know why I'm Republican yet you make that assumption that I'm a racist? Or a bigot? Or a sexiest? Or homophobic?

I don't know how you got to this extreme point. If you had a bad experience with someone who was a racist and associated himself as a Republican, then all I can say is sorry that happened to you, but it does not represent the Republican party. The main belief of the conservative ideology is to keep the government as traditional as possible and to keep the government as close as to how our Founding Fathers envisioned America. There is nothing racist about that.

George Washington called for the American people to remain independent to avoid exactly what is happening today. Whenever a problem arises, Washington wanted the American people to fix the problem as Americans and not blame the opposite party for it. Many of America's problems are caused by not enough unity. I would be happy to fight racism with you, but to start, we will need to put our differences aside. If we do that, and are not blinded by our political beliefs, we just might get to the heart of the issue.

Great speech. Unfortunately, due to human nature, you likely won't get along.

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Thyrgga wrote:
Completely untrue. If the GOP manages to close the border, they'll secure victory forever, because abortion and birth control will cause demographic collapse of Democrat-voting populations. Also, the people of Lincoln's party were more ethnocentrist than most Republicans today.


That's a mighty big if, bud. Trump and his ilk have had two years to try and close the border, yet they have failed at every opportunity. What makes you so sure that they will succeed if they were to try again?

The wall is currently being built.

Major-Tom wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I doubt the GOP is “doomed”, it’s just going to adapt to the newer political climate, in fact, the younger GOP politicians like Crenshaw are increasingly becoming classical liberals rather than full on conservatives, I think classical liberalism is where the party is headed


I both agree and disagree - the GOP certainly isn't due for collapse, that said, there is a stark divide in the party between the establishment, run of the mill laissez-faire conservatives such as Crenshaw and the Trumpian, nativist, protectionist and borderline alt-right wing. It's going to be an ideological battle between the party in coming years, and I may be pessimistic to assume this, but I think that for the next decade or so, the latter side is going to win.

Last time I've heard (in the numerous Trump campaigns), Trump supported legal immigration. Ergo, I find it difficult to believe he would be "nativist" or "borderline alt-right".

You could make an argument about his protectionism, although Trump mainly uses tariffs on nations that have exploited America in previous trade deals.

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Thyrgga wrote:
Completely untrue. If the GOP manages to close the border, they'll secure victory forever, because abortion and birth control will cause demographic collapse of Democrat-voting populations. Also, the people of Lincoln's party were more ethnocentrist than most Republicans today.

You are aware that closing the border would crash the economy hence why they haven't done it.

I'm not sure where you got that. A wall on the U.S./Mexico border (which is what we mean) would protect our economy from crashing due to the illegal immigration.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:58 pm

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Ilefeb wrote:You know what, this is just bullshit. I'm not going to argue this anymore. You are probably also one of those people who said Trump is the reason why the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton happened instead of white supremacy.

You've pointed out a racism issue in America, and you should, there is no place for racism in America but, screaming Republicans are racist off of false primises and lies is just ridiculous. I assume you don't know anyone who has a conservative ideology because you obviously do not know who we are as people. I live in one of the most diverse places in America, I know many people that lean on both sides of the political spectrum. Not one of my friends who have liberal idealologies think that conservatives are racists, bigots, or sexists. It's disappointing that you believe that all Republicans are racist. Heck, you don't even know why I'm Republican yet you make that assumption that I'm a racist? Or a bigot? Or a sexiest? Or homophobic?

I don't know how you got to this extreme point. If you had a bad experience with someone who was a racist and associated himself as a Republican, then all I can say is sorry that happened to you, but it does not represent the Republican party. The main belief of the conservative ideology is to keep the government as traditional as possible and to keep the government as close as to how our Founding Fathers envisioned America. There is nothing racist about that.

George Washington called for the American people to remain independent to avoid exactly what is happening today. Whenever a problem arises, Washington wanted the American people to fix the problem as Americans and not blame the opposite party for it. Many of America's problems are caused by not enough unity. I would be happy to fight racism with you, but to start, we will need to put our differences aside. If we do that, and are not blinded by our political beliefs, we just might get to the heart of the issue.

Great speech. Unfortunately, due to human nature, you likely won't get along.

Ruffletrump wrote:
That's a mighty big if, bud. Trump and his ilk have had two years to try and close the border, yet they have failed at every opportunity. What makes you so sure that they will succeed if they were to try again?

The wall is currently being built.

Major-Tom wrote:
I both agree and disagree - the GOP certainly isn't due for collapse, that said, there is a stark divide in the party between the establishment, run of the mill laissez-faire conservatives such as Crenshaw and the Trumpian, nativist, protectionist and borderline alt-right wing. It's going to be an ideological battle between the party in coming years, and I may be pessimistic to assume this, but I think that for the next decade or so, the latter side is going to win.

Last time I've heard (in the numerous Trump campaigns), Trump supported legal immigration. Ergo, I find it difficult to believe he would be "nativist" or "borderline alt-right".

You could make an argument about his protectionism, although Trump mainly uses tariffs on nations that have exploited America in previous trade deals.

San Lumen wrote:You are aware that closing the border would crash the economy hence why they haven't done it.

I'm not sure where you got that. A wall on the U.S./Mexico border (which is what we mean) would protect our economy from crashing due to the illegal immigration.

A wall would do nothing. Plus in some areas geography prevents it. It would also harm wildlife migration. Plus there are these things called ships and planes perhaps you’ve heard of them?

This is getting off topic though

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Postby Ilefeb » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:35 am

Fasma wrote:
Ilefeb wrote:You know what, this is just bullshit. I'm not going to argue this anymore. You are probably also one of those people who said Trump is the reason why the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton happened instead of white supremacy.

You've pointed out a racism issue in America, and you should, there is no place for racism in America but, screaming Republicans are racist off of false primises and lies is just ridiculous. I assume you don't know anyone who has a conservative ideology because you obviously do not know who we are as people. I live in one of the most diverse places in America, I know many people that lean on both sides of the political spectrum. Not one of my friends who have liberal idealologies think that conservatives are racists, bigots, or sexists. It's disappointing that you believe that all Republicans are racist. Heck, you don't even know why I'm Republican yet you make that assumption that I'm a racist? Or a bigot? Or a sexiest? Or homophobic?

I don't know how you got to this extreme point. If you had a bad experience with someone who was a racist and associated himself as a Republican, then all I can say is sorry that happened to you, but it does not represent the Republican party. The main belief of the conservative ideology is to keep the government as traditional as possible and to keep the government as close as to how our Founding Fathers envisioned America. There is nothing racist about that.

George Washington called for the American people to remain independent to avoid exactly what is happening today. Whenever a problem arises, Washington wanted the American people to fix the problem as Americans and not blame the opposite party for it. Many of America's problems are caused by not enough unity. I would be happy to fight racism with you, but to start, we will need to put our differences aside. If we do that, and are not blinded by our political beliefs, we just might get to the heart of the issue.


The Founding Fathers were slave owners (4 out of 7 I think if you want to get technical), the United States was founded on the forced assimilation and widespread murder of the indigenous peoples of North America. You literally had to have a Civil War just to end slavery. And then even that wasn't enough and blacks to this day in your country face systemic discrimination by the majority white population who some of whom like to pretend racism is no longer a problem because some magic piece of paper says all men are born equal, etcetera, etcetera.

Yeah, everyone owned slaves. I was talking about the Bill of Rights. See this is the problem, you twist literally everything to make it racist.
Fasma wrote:Your Founding Fathers represent the past, their ideas are outdated and inappropriate. Same goes with both Republicans and Democrats who are constantly playing tug-of-war with each other and getting the country nowhere.

Democracy is outdated and inappropriate now? You've got to be kidding. Come back when you actually know what you are talking about.
Fasma wrote:If you want to solve racism in America, let's start by acknowledging that by and large, being a black person in the United States is a disadvantage compared to being white. Donald Trump and some other members of the Republican Party have helped fuel the fires of the current rising racial tensions in your country. It's the Southern strategy repackaged, except this time the big bad boogeyman is the illegal Latino.

Income inequality is a thing in America because we are a Capitalist. I understand that there is a higher percentage of blacks living below the poverty line than whites. I will acknowledge that, I will not acknowledge that the color of your skin is a direct effect of your economic class. You make money by going to school and getting a job in a Capitalist system. If you believe that there is discrimination in the workforce, then I would be happy to fight it with you like many Americans who lean on both sides of the political spectrum.

As for your second point "the big bad boogeyman" is the MS-13 and the drug cartels who has murdered many Americans on American soil.
Fasma wrote:Trump is and always will be an opportunist, I don't think he even has an ideology, he's just exploiting xenophobic fears that already existed.

I'm talking about the Republican Party, not Donald Trump. You don't have to like Trump to be Republican. Again I urge all of you to look up Ben Sasse. He is the Junior Senator of Nebraska and a Republican. He has said publicly that he does not like Trump.

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Postby Tobleste » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:57 am

Ilefeb wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I went to reply to this after the other post I responded to. When I clicked on this tab and saw your last line, I've decided not to really bother or even read the full thing because I'm talking to a wall. I've explained why people view Republicans as racist and you're either not listening or don't care. I've explained why it's more than a few bad apples (it's the actual Republicans president ffs) and you respond the way most Republicans do; with a few talking points that wouldn't convince anyone with more than a 12 year olds education who didn't already agree with you because you don't seem to care about the truth. This is how you wound up with someone like trump (how can you be surprised that people think Republicans are idiotic bigots when they cheer the idiotic bigotry of an idiotic bigot?), why millions of Americans hate your party and why Republican presidents are frequently treated with either bemusement or contempt outside of America. Your party either doesn't think or doesn't care.

Next time someone calls Republicans bigots, don't ask them to explain why because you obviously don't really care why they think that or if it's true.

You know what, this is just bullshit. I'm not going to argue this anymore. You are probably also one of those people who said Trump is the reason why the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton happened instead of white supremacy.

You've pointed out a racism issue in America, and you should, there is no place for racism in America but, screaming Republicans are racist off of false primises and lies is just ridiculous. I assume you don't know anyone who has a conservative ideology because you obviously do not know who we are as people. I live in one of the most diverse places in America, I know many people that lean on both sides of the political spectrum. Not one of my friends who have liberal idealologies think that conservatives are racists, bigots, or sexists. It's disappointing that you believe that all Republicans are racist. Heck, you don't even know why I'm Republican yet you make that assumption that I'm a racist? Or a bigot? Or a sexiest? Or homophobic?

I don't know how you got to this extreme point. If you had a bad experience with someone who was a racist and associated himself as a Republican, then all I can say is sorry that happened to you, but it does not represent the Republican party. The main belief of the conservative ideology is to keep the government as traditional as possible and to keep the government as close as to how our Founding Fathers envisioned America. There is nothing racist about that.

George Washington called for the American people to remain independent to avoid exactly what is happening today. Whenever a problem arises, Washington wanted the American people to fix the problem as Americans and not blame the opposite party for it. Many of America's problems are caused by not enough unity. I would be happy to fight racism with you, but to start, we will need to put our differences aside. If we do that, and are not blinded by our political beliefs, we just might get to the heart of the issue.


Except he does because that man is the Republican president.

Agree on the unity part. Once Republicans start to care about racism and stop being it's passive enablers, maybe you'll all get somewhere. Unfortunately, right now you don't give a damn.
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Strahcoin wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
1. It was overwhelmingly opposed by the south which overwhelmingly became GOP. Look into to it and ask historians.
2. He generally proposes restrictions on all immigrants (and refugees), not just illegal. He also demanded a few non white politicians go back to the country's they're "from" because only white can be American apprently. The "oh, he only hates illegals" line is a lie that no one could actually believe unless they weren't paying attention. You're either lying or not paying attention.
3. They oppose abortion for religious reasons and everything else is down to a preference for rich people over the rest.
4. Obama and Clintin are moderates now? Funny. I remember them being America hating socialists. Like Sanders and AOC are. Give it 10 years and when the GOP are running Gamergate morons from 8 chan they'll argue AOC and Sanders are the moderates. Also, I'm pretty sure they supported fencing. Not Trumps Great Wall of Sexual Insecurity.
5. So by your logic, if Republicans offer Democrats a 1% improvement for immigrants and Democrats negotiate for more, Democrats hate immigrants and reoublicans don't? Reasonable.
6. No they haven't. Trump bitched about America for years. Was he told to go away by hundreds at Clinton rallies? No. Because Clinton supporters don't view white Americans as fake non-citizens.
7. I don't even see the point of that one.

1. It does seem strange. Possibly because some who opposed forced segregation also opposed forced integration. Or because the Democrat Party's new ideological base alienated numerous kinds of former Democrat voters.
Either way, it's unlikely, if not impossible, that the Republican Party would adopt a more racist rhetoric.
2. Because we're too lenient with our immigration policy. He told those politicians to go back to their countries not because they're non-white, but because they're unpatriotic. And the "oh, he only hates illegals" line is fairly accurate, although it could be improved by adding "and anti-Americans".
3. I oppose abortion, and I'm an atheist. I'm also middle-class.
4. The Democrat Party is radicalizing. Obama and Clinton are moderate relative to current extreme leftists such as AOC and Bernie Sanders. And fencing, barriers, wall, same concept.
5. Wasn't the bill in question referring to illegal immigrants? Because I'm pretty sure that any benefit for illegal immigrants is unfair for the hard-working American taxpayer (and the legal immigrants waiting in line).
6. Trump stated that he loved the country but not the government. The leftist politicians don't like the country.
7. The radical leftists in the Democrat Party (not all of them, of course) do seem to overuse identity politics and "white privilege" nonsense. Doesn't that seem kind of "racist"?

Tobleste wrote:
I went to reply to this after the other post I responded to. When I clicked on this tab and saw your last line, I've decided not to really bother or even read the full thing because I'm talking to a wall. I've explained why people view Republicans as racist and you're either not listening or don't care. I've explained why it's more than a few bad apples (it's the actual Republicans president ffs) and you respond the way most Republicans do; with a few talking points that wouldn't convince anyone with more than a 12 year olds education who didn't already agree with you because you don't seem to care about the truth. This is how you wound up with someone like trump (how can you be surprised that people think Republicans are idiotic bigots when they cheer the idiotic bigotry of an idiotic bigot?), why millions of Americans hate your party and why Republican presidents are frequently treated with either bemusement or contempt outside of America. Your party either doesn't think or doesn't care.

Next time someone calls Republicans bigots, don't ask them to explain why because you obviously don't really care why they think that or if it's true.

Your reasoning is faulty. Trump is not bigoted. He has made compromises. Also, he had campaigned to stop the prosecution of LGBT people in other nations; that sounds anti-bigoted.

The mainstream media has a reputation amongst conservatives of caring more about advancing their leftist agenda rather than spreading the truth. That's why Republicans have stopped listening to the hundreds/thousands of times CNN/MSNBC/etc. calls them racist/sexist/bigoted/homophobic/transphobic/xenophobic/anti-Semetic/Islamophobic/white nationalist/etc.


1. Agreed. The new black voters Democrats attracted alienated southern white who flocked to the GOP.
2. So he only hates illegals. And hates letting in too many legals. And non white politicians who criticise America. Right.

I'll stop at two and won't read the rest because I've heard these talking points before and I doubt you're silly enough to believe them but I have to ask, are white people only allowed to criticise America or do non white people who criticise America automatically become America hating?

Also, the mainstream media is hated by conservatives because it reports facts they dislike. That's why they hate every organisation that reports information (from google to the FBI ffs).
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:13 am

Ruffletrump wrote:
Thyrgga wrote:
I assume that your views are backed up by what you saw when you last used your time machine, right?


Nice try in dodging the question. My views are based in part on demographic data that has been produced within the last decade/ observing the ongoing changes in the american political landscape(as well as some inferences based on past events in American political history.)

Tell me...What are your views based on apart from your own gut feelings/desires?

And to head you off...

https://www.axios.com/republican-party-demographics-threat-trump-racism-1524a8a1-c2f1-4183-896f-107420e2d50a.html
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2019/06/27/471487/states-of-change-3/
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/06/14/trump-owns-a-shrinking-republican-party/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/05/21/republican_party_is_headed_for_long_painful_decline_442698.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/the-republican-party-has-an-older-voters-problem.html
https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/11/data-shows-a-downward-demographic-spiral-for-republicans/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/the-changing-demographics-of-america-538284/

Simply put, the GOP in its current form cannot survive unless it adapts to the changing demographic landscape of America.


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Postby Tobleste » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:30 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ruffletrump wrote:
Nice try in dodging the question. My views are based in part on demographic data that has been produced within the last decade/ observing the ongoing changes in the american political landscape(as well as some inferences based on past events in American political history.)

Tell me...What are your views based on apart from your own gut feelings/desires?

And to head you off...

https://www.axios.com/republican-party-demographics-threat-trump-racism-1524a8a1-c2f1-4183-896f-107420e2d50a.html
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2019/06/27/471487/states-of-change-3/
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/06/14/trump-owns-a-shrinking-republican-party/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/05/21/republican_party_is_headed_for_long_painful_decline_442698.html
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/the-republican-party-has-an-older-voters-problem.html
https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/11/data-shows-a-downward-demographic-spiral-for-republicans/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/the-changing-demographics-of-america-538284/

Simply put, the GOP in its current form cannot survive unless it adapts to the changing demographic landscape of America.


A slew of links means nothing and proves nothing.


So links to information mean nothing and prove nothing? What does?
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:33 am

2012: "The GOP is dead"
2016: Trump wins the presidency, and many republicans win smaller seats
2020: "The GOP is dead"
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:06 pm

Joohan wrote:
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The GOP was once the party of cutting spending, Christian values and small government. It now has a president that wants to spend millions on a border wall, cheated on all his wives and clearly has little respect for Christianity (he consistently mocks Mike pence behind closed doors for being an evangelical christian), and seeks to change libel laws to go after "the fake news" (so much for free speech). There also was that time he supported body slamming a reporter.

The Republican party has been taken over by the president. Their principles have been compromised permanently


GOP hasn't been the party of cutting spending, Christian Values, or small government in a very long time - long before trump. They've not been the party of fiscal policy since America's took on the mantle of world police - railing against the social and welfare programs installed by the dems ( social security, medicare, food stamps, etc. ) by they always more than happy to keep them around once they actually get into power. They've not been the party of Christian values since the late 2000's, when their christian moral stance suddenly fell out of the majority, and it was no longer popular to be against abortion or gay marriage - content to just generally avoid questions on social policy, and focus strictly upon the economics. As for small government... well, I don't think I have to go into too much detail, but i'm fairly sure Homeland security is monitoring this site for possible extremists.

The GOP, by 2016, had become the party of Free market fundamentalism and militarism, and nothing else. Trump isn't a good conservative, nor do I think he is an actual Christian - yet he's done more in forwarding the conservative agenda over the last three years, than anyone republican has since Reagan back in the 80's. Mabye he's not the ideal conservative on the personal level - but he is the leader we need.

He's the leader you (America) deserve, rather. It remains to be seen what his long-term legacy will be.

Personally, I always liked the old saying that the Dems are the Evil Party and the Republicans are the Stupid Party (and the Cowardly Party too). In the long-term the American Empire is going down regardless of Trump; all he can maybe influence is the landing.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:18 pm

Tobleste wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
A slew of links means nothing and proves nothing.


So links to information mean nothing and prove nothing? What does?


Links to information that is nonsensical doesn't.
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Postby Ruffletrump » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:23 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
So links to information mean nothing and prove nothing? What does?


Links to information that is nonsensical doesn't.


I would hardly call the Brookings Institute, New York Magazine, The Smithsonian Magazine, and the others nonsensical. I'll humor you though...What information/sources would you consider to be reliable/trustworthy?
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Postby Ilefeb » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:43 pm

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Ilefeb wrote:You know what, this is just bullshit. I'm not going to argue this anymore. You are probably also one of those people who said Trump is the reason why the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton happened instead of white supremacy.

You've pointed out a racism issue in America, and you should, there is no place for racism in America but, screaming Republicans are racist off of false primises and lies is just ridiculous. I assume you don't know anyone who has a conservative ideology because you obviously do not know who we are as people. I live in one of the most diverse places in America, I know many people that lean on both sides of the political spectrum. Not one of my friends who have liberal idealologies think that conservatives are racists, bigots, or sexists. It's disappointing that you believe that all Republicans are racist. Heck, you don't even know why I'm Republican yet you make that assumption that I'm a racist? Or a bigot? Or a sexiest? Or homophobic?

I don't know how you got to this extreme point. If you had a bad experience with someone who was a racist and associated himself as a Republican, then all I can say is sorry that happened to you, but it does not represent the Republican party. The main belief of the conservative ideology is to keep the government as traditional as possible and to keep the government as close as to how our Founding Fathers envisioned America. There is nothing racist about that.

George Washington called for the American people to remain independent to avoid exactly what is happening today. Whenever a problem arises, Washington wanted the American people to fix the problem as Americans and not blame the opposite party for it. Many of America's problems are caused by not enough unity. I would be happy to fight racism with you, but to start, we will need to put our differences aside. If we do that, and are not blinded by our political beliefs, we just might get to the heart of the issue.


Except he does because that man is the Republican president.

Agree on the unity part. Once Republicans start to care about racism and stop being it's passive enablers, maybe you'll all get somewhere. Unfortunately, right now you don't give a damn.

If Donald Trump didn't exist, would you still think that the Republican Party is racist?

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:44 pm

Ilefeb wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Except he does because that man is the Republican president.

Agree on the unity part. Once Republicans start to care about racism and stop being it's passive enablers, maybe you'll all get somewhere. Unfortunately, right now you don't give a damn.

If Donald Trump didn't exist, would you still think that the Republican Party is racist?

They refuse to call out his bigotry and racism and rubber stamp everything he does. That makes them accomplices

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Postby Tobleste » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:39 pm

Ilefeb wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Except he does because that man is the Republican president.

Agree on the unity part. Once Republicans start to care about racism and stop being it's passive enablers, maybe you'll all get somewhere. Unfortunately, right now you don't give a damn.

If Donald Trump didn't exist, would you still think that the Republican Party is racist?


To a lesser extent, yes I would because the things that allowed trump to take over the GOP would still exist. Fox news is the main media arm of the GOP and the daily show just released a video showing how it's rhetoric is a mirror image of the El Paso shooter's manifesto. Talk of "invasions", "replacement" and "floods" are common among Republicans and far right extremists. On that issue at least, they agree.
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Postby Ilefeb » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ilefeb wrote:If Donald Trump didn't exist, would you still think that the Republican Party is racist?

They refuse to call out his bigotry and racism and rubber stamp everything he does. That makes them accomplices

Yes they have.
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Postby Tobleste » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:47 pm

Ilefeb wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They refuse to call out his bigotry and racism and rubber stamp everything he does. That makes them accomplices

Yes they have.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... k-comments


Impressive. I'm sure they'll do something of substance and not join with him in ranting about immigrants come the next election. ;)
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Postby Ilefeb » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:09 pm

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Impressive. I'm sure they'll do something of substance and not join with him in ranting about immigrants come the next election. ;)

Probably not this group.
They will more than likely talk about ways to bring immigrants in the United States, improve conditions at immigration facilities, and discuss more effective ways of keeping gangs and smugglers out when it comes to immigration. Something that I think both Republicans and Democrats who are decent minded can agree on.

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Postby Hatterleigh » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:05 pm

Probably not. Political parties change. The GOP is not here to make a statement, it is here to survive and spread. It will pander to minorities.
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