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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Really? Because it's the exact same line the Democrats use constantly.

Also, Democrats get told to leave not because they are brown, but because the Democratic party has an inherent issue with disloyalty. They don't like America.


Disloyalty? How do they not like America?


Statistically speaking, The Democrats are less likely to be patriotic. In fact, the rampant LACK of Patriotism in the Democratic Party has driven lack of Patriotism to all time lows because almost none of them are patriotic.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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I would hate to live in whatever world you live in.

This is why your party did badly in the midterms and in several key states. It’s also why they got reamed in California


They got reamed in California because the population of Republican voters is very small and declining there. Elections in the US are basically a demographic war because it is not common for people to frequently switch sides. They just aren't that many swing voters in the country.
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Postby Strahcoin » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ilefeb wrote:Again, the Civil Rights Act had bipartisan support, both parties agreed to end segregation. So saying that the Republican Party is racist because they were the popular party in the south after the Civil Rights Act is also a silly argument.

We are not talking about Trump, we are talking about the Republican Party, if Republicans showed little concerns for the American people, no one would be Republican (because knock on wood, we are American), and it seems that more Democrats are taking more of a radical stance on immigration.

Once again, we are talking about the Republican Party, not Donald Trump. If the Democrats really thought the bill didn't do enough, they should've ammended it. They did not, they just voted it down and and continued to shout and complain about it and not do anything about immigration crisis.

No, it's because Kapernick knelt for the National Anthem and called all law enforcement officers pigs and Omar called the terrorist attacks on 9/11 just simply "someone who did something for our rights." Both are very disrespectful to our troops and first responders. Sure, it's free speech, but it's also free speech to call them out for those actions.

The Republican Party is not racist. You've yet to give me one Republican policy that is racist. There are racist Democrats. Do think the Democratic Party is racist because of it?

Well for one thing Republicans dont believe in equal access to the polls and want to prevent as many non whites from voting as they can.

The Democrats tried to do that during the Jim Crow era. It was later repealed. And many Republicans are not "white".

So, no.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:37 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Disloyalty? How do they not like America?


Statistically speaking, The Democrats are less likely to be patriotic.

you have provided no statistics so i assume you're using "statistically" in some ritualistic or slang sense
In fact, the rampant LACK of Patriotism in the Democratic Party has driven lack of Patriotism to all time lows because almost none of them are patriotic.

Lack of patriotism being at an all time low would mean patriotism is at an all time high, no? help me square this circle of meaningless garbage please
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:38 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well for one thing Republicans dont believe in equal access to the polls and want to prevent as many non whites from voting as they can.

The Democrats tried to do that during the Jim Crow era.

it is no longer that era, if you hadn't noticed
It was later repealed.

wdym by "it" lol
And many Republicans are not "white".

quote marks for some reason?
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Postby Strahcoin » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:54 pm

Senkaku wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Statistically speaking, The Democrats are less likely to be patriotic.

you have provided no statistics so i assume you're using "statistically" in some ritualistic or slang sense
In fact, the rampant LACK of Patriotism in the Democratic Party has driven lack of Patriotism to all time lows because almost none of them are patriotic.

Lack of patriotism being at an all time low would mean patriotism is at an all time high, no? help me square this circle of meaningless garbage please

1. Read/watch the news. Here's a poll. I have yet to see a Republican who says that America is racist, the American flag represents racism, etc.
2. I think it was a typo. The Emerald Legion likely meant "In fact, the rampant LACK of Patriotism in the Democratic Party has driven Patriotism (within the party) to all time lows because almost none of them are patriotic.

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Strahcoin wrote:The Democrats tried to do that during the Jim Crow era.

it is no longer that era, if you hadn't noticed
It was later repealed.

wdym by "it" lol
And many Republicans are not "white".

quote marks for some reason?

1. I know. I was just pointing that out to refute San Luman's idea that Republicans are trying to do it.
2. Preventive measures taken to "prevent as many non whites from voting as they can".
3. "White" indicates of European descent. However, we all likely descended from a common ancestor who originated in Africa. Just saying.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:30 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So anyone who didnt vote republican believes in unreasonable policy? Talk like this is why your party is on the verge of irrelevance in your state


Yes, the irrelevance is because we call the bad people bad, not because they're actually bad.

what does that mean?
The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Disloyalty? How do they not like America?


Statistically speaking, The Democrats are less likely to be patriotic. In fact, the rampant LACK of Patriotism in the Democratic Party has driven lack of Patriotism to all time lows because almost none of them are patriotic.


Please explain how Democrats are not patriotic

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Postby Ilefeb » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:Well for one thing Republicans dont believe in equal access to the polls and want to prevent as many non whites from voting as they can.

Could you please explain this and back it up with some credible information?
Or was this a bluff?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, the irrelevance is because we call the bad people bad, not because they're actually bad.

what does that mean?
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Statistically speaking, The Democrats are less likely to be patriotic. In fact, the rampant LACK of Patriotism in the Democratic Party has driven lack of Patriotism to all time lows because almost none of them are patriotic.


Please explain how Democrats are not patriotic


I think it's pretty self explanatory.
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Postby Crysuko » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:48 pm

As long as there are greedy reactionaries in the US, the GOP will be around to sweep them up
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:55 pm

Ilefeb wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well for one thing Republicans dont believe in equal access to the polls and want to prevent as many non whites from voting as they can.

Could you please explain this and back it up with some credible information?
Or was this a bluff?


Lets see they refuse to fix the voting rights act, close down polling locations, gerrymander so they get the most seats without getting the most votes, engage in voter suppression. They know if more people vote they lose.
Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:what does that mean?

Please explain how Democrats are not patriotic


I think it's pretty self explanatory.

No not really

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Postby Odinburgh » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:56 pm

Surely hope so. Calling Democrats unpatriotic absurd considering who the GOP caters most to are whites, white nationalists, bigots and racists. Even much so having Trump leading them is killing them as they continue to drive more away from the GOP.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:57 pm

Odinburgh wrote:Surely hope so. Calling Democrats unpatriotic absurd considering who the GOP caters most to are whites, white nationalists, bigots and racists. Even much so having Trump leading them is killing them as they continue to drive more away from the GOP.

Exactly they are freaking out about Texas. The state was already changing under Obama but Trump may have accelerated it. It Texas flips Trump and the Party are done. There is no path to 270 without it.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:09 pm

Odinburgh wrote:Surely hope so. Calling Democrats unpatriotic absurd considering who the GOP caters most to are whites, white nationalists, bigots and racists.

Daily reminder the Democrats supported slavery, the Democrats enforced Jim Crowe laws, and Democrats supported the KKK.
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Postby Odinburgh » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Odinburgh wrote:Surely hope so. Calling Democrats unpatriotic absurd considering who the GOP caters most to are whites, white nationalists, bigots and racists. Even much so having Trump leading them is killing them as they continue to drive more away from the GOP.

Exactly they are freaking out about Texas. The state was already changing under Obama but Trump may have accelerated it. It Texas flips Trump and the Party are done. There is no path to 270 without it.


On top of that the damn China tariffs which farmers have gone angry over Trump. How low can Trump go? Seems like nothing surprises me how more bad things have gotten in the USA.

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Postby Odinburgh » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:11 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Odinburgh wrote:Surely hope so. Calling Democrats unpatriotic absurd considering who the GOP caters most to are whites, white nationalists, bigots and racists.

Daily reminder the Democrats supported slavery, the Democrats wanted Jim Crowe laws, and Democrats supported the KKK.


That was a long time ago. Not now. Your not a bit cute pulling this stunt.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:14 pm

Odinburgh wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Exactly they are freaking out about Texas. The state was already changing under Obama but Trump may have accelerated it. It Texas flips Trump and the Party are done. There is no path to 270 without it.


On top of that the damn China tariffs which farmers have gone angry over Trump. How low can Trump go? Seems like nothing surprises me how more bad things have gotten in the USA.


The problem with "XYZ is angry with Trump/Republicans/McConnell/whoever" is that there's a big difference between being angry with him, and being willing to support his opponent, or even stay home.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:17 pm

Odinburgh wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Daily reminder the Democrats supported slavery, the Democrats wanted Jim Crowe laws, and Democrats supported the KKK.


That was a long time ago. Not now. Your not a bit cute pulling this stunt.

Not to mention that in the late 1960s and 1970s, as civil rights legislation outraged those southern Democrats, the GOP deliberately courted them.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:19 pm

Odinburgh wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Daily reminder the Democrats supported slavery, the Democrats wanted Jim Crowe laws, and Democrats supported the KKK.


That was a long time ago. Not now. Your not a bit cute pulling this stunt.

You're not cute generalizing the GOP. Might I say that since the two most recent mass shooters in the United States were both Democrats, all Democrats are insane? Of course fucking not, because that isn't true. You painting all GOP supporters and the senior officials of the GOP as bigoted xenophobes is disingenuous as well.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:20 pm

Ilefeb wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well for one thing Republicans dont believe in equal access to the polls and want to prevent as many non whites from voting as they can.

Could you please explain this and back it up with some credible information?
Or was this a bluff?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:18 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Odinburgh wrote:Surely hope so. Calling Democrats unpatriotic absurd considering who the GOP caters most to are whites, white nationalists, bigots and racists.

Daily reminder the Democrats supported slavery, the Democrats enforced Jim Crowe laws, and Democrats supported the KKK.

a complete mischaracterizing of history. There were plenty of Democrats outside who opposed Jim Crow and the KKK. The Democrats main power base was the South for decades a they were conservative and often racist. it took until the 1950s for the more liberal Democrats to overthrow them and pass the Civil Rights Act in 1964.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:19 pm

Telconi wrote:
Odinburgh wrote:
On top of that the damn China tariffs which farmers have gone angry over Trump. How low can Trump go? Seems like nothing surprises me how more bad things have gotten in the USA.


The problem with "XYZ is angry with Trump/Republicans/McConnell/whoever" is that there's a big difference between being angry with him, and being willing to support his opponent, or even stay home.

and that is called voting against your interests or apathy
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The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:Hello all, this is a subject which has interested me for some time.

It is commonly known that America is rapidly becoming more and more diverse. Specifically, during the 2040s white Americans will most likely become a minority.
The Houston Chronicle recently wrote:
Census Bureau projections show that the U.S. population will be “majority-minority” sometime between 2040 and 2050. Our research suggests that this will happen around 2044. Indeed, in 2020, there are projected to be more nonwhite children than white children in the U.S.

See also this Brookings article.

This interested me primarily because of the effects it will have on our elections. It is well known that the voting core of the Republic Party is white; 88% of those who voted for Trump in 2016 were white, and the same is true for Romney's voters in 2012. Only 60% of Hillary Clinton's supporters were white, proving that the Democratic Party is much less dependent on the white vote.

Finally, let me illustrate the failure of the Republican Party when it comes to attracting minority voters. This from the Pew Research Center: 54% of whites vote Republican, compared to 29% of Hispanics, 23% of Asians, and only 9% of African Americans.
Based on this graph:
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and some quick math (hopefully I didn't miscalculate), this means that by 2045, so long as these demographics do not significantly shift, the Republican Party will only be able to muster ~37% of the popular vote, compared to 46% in 2016 and 47% in 2012. This might not seem like much, but it will be compounded by Texas, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania becoming purple and then blue states.

In short, by 2045, unless things drastically change, it will become almost statistically impossible for a Republican candidate to win the Presidency.

What do you make of it, NSG? Do you think that these census projections are just off, or that minorities will begin voting Republican in greater numbers?
Most importantly, how do you think the Republican Party will react to these changing demographics? Will they be able to successfully appeal to minorities or somehow reverse shifting demographics? Do you think that, if the Republican Party begins to collapse, a new party might step up to oppose the Democrats?

I believe that all of this will happen. The Republicans have, time and time again, failed to make inroads with the now minorities, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I think it may be possible for the GOP to win larger portions of the Hispanic vote, but ultimately, I don't see them being able to overcome the demographic shift we're about to see. The GOP's strongest supporters are Christian whites, and that demographic is going to become smaller and smaller as time goes on, so the GOP is essentially stuck between a rock and a hard place. If it wants to attract new voters, it will have to become more progressive, but by doing so, it will betray its core supporters.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The problem with "XYZ is angry with Trump/Republicans/McConnell/whoever" is that there's a big difference between being angry with him, and being willing to support his opponent, or even stay home.

and that is called voting against your interests or apathy


You wouldn't be able to identify my interests if they put you in a concrete box a meter on a side for the rest of your natural life.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:29 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Odinburgh wrote:
That was a long time ago. Not now. Your not a bit cute pulling this stunt.

Not to mention that in the late 1960s and 1970s, as civil rights legislation outraged those southern Democrats, the GOP deliberately courted them.


Hey man, votes is votes.
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