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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:48 pm

I hope Imperial Japan can be restored for they showed how strong the NE Asian race is even when we were in trouble. The speedy conquest of Malaya, Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, Gilbert Islands (Kiribati), half of Solomon Islands etc despite only sending the Southern Army there (note that more than 1 million IJA soldiers were tied down in the absurd fraticidal Second Sino-Japanese War which shows what Chinese folks are capable of despite ridiculously awful weaponry) proves how great the NE Asian race is.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:48 pm

Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:49 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.


Unit 731 is actual nightmare fuel.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:49 pm

Neko-koku wrote:I hope Imperial Japan can be restored for they showed how strong the NE Asian race is even when we were in trouble. The speedy conquest of Malaya, Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, Gilbert Islands (Kiribati), half of Solomon Islands etc despite only sending the Southern Army there (note that more than 1 million IJA soldiers were tied down in the absurd fraticidal Second Sino-Japanese War which shows what Chinese folks are capable of despite ridiculously awful weaponry) proves how great the NE Asian race is.

...I thought you were the same person who didn't want people to reproduce anymore, you do realize this would require for the Japanese to raise birth rates right?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:49 pm

Fahran wrote:
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Ya'll didn't have to @ me this hard.

If the shoe fits... :p


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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:49 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.


didnt the germans pump oxygen into a commandos bloodstream once or twice?
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.

I mean Joseph Mengele also did some freaky experiments, which were well-known by the Nazis.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.


Unit 731 is actual nightmare fuel.

say what you want about the nazis, im pretty sure that in a warped sense that they had standards.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.


Unit 731 is actual nightmare fuel.


I've known of more than a few cases where Vets came back wishing we had done more than just drop two bombs on them. When you begin to research this shit, you start to realize why the Chinese feel the way they do.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 pm

Luminesa wrote:
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It says nothing about genocide, but it does bring up that democide was committed on a mass-scale which, yeah, those atrocities definitely were.

It literally states that the Japanese went after specific races. Indonesians, Dutch, Australians, anyone who was not Japanese. They literally instilled into their armies that they were racially superior to the people around them. What did the Nazis do?


I just read it, and it states nothing about the Japanese going after specific ethnicities.

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At least you're quick to make it clear you're talking outta your ass.



I mean, yeah, there's some shred of credibility you could give to an argument about the randomness of Imperial Japan's atrocities being worse than Germany's planned maliciousness, but it's very slim and quickly falls on its face when you factor in the exact extent of the Nazi plans of genocide in Eastern Europe.

Google "Three Alls Policy"


I know about the Three Alls Policy, but I've never seen anything on it that claims it was a genocidal policy. Again, that's why I keep asking for some fucking sources here.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:50 pm

Neko-koku wrote:I hope Imperial Japan can be restored for they showed how strong the NE Asian race is even when we were in trouble. The speedy conquest of Malaya, Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, Gilbert Islands (Kiribati), half of Solomon Islands etc despite only sending the Southern Army there (note that more than 1 million IJA soldiers were tied down in the absurd fraticidal Second Sino-Japanese War which shows what Chinese folks are capable of despite ridiculously awful weaponry) proves how great the NE Asian race is.

:rofl:
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:51 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.


didnt the germans pump oxygen into a commandos bloodstream once or twice?

They killed St. Maximillian Kolbe by injecting him with carbolic acid. Imagine the fact that he was probably not the only one killed in this fashion.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:51 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Luminesa wrote:It literally states that the Japanese went after specific races. Indonesians, Dutch, Australians, anyone who was not Japanese. They literally instilled into their armies that they were racially superior to the people around them. What did the Nazis do?


I just read it, and it states nothing about the Japanese going after specific ethnicities.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Google "Three Alls Policy"


I know about the Three Alls Policy, but I've never seen anything on it that claims it was a genocidal policy. Again, that's why I keep asking for some fucking sources here.



what do you think the "kill all" part of the policy entailed? poking a motherfucker with a stick?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:51 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.

I mean Joseph Mengele also did some freaky experiments, which were well-known by the Nazis.


Mengele was actually tame compared to 731. They did some truly horrific shit, iirc there's even a few very graphic pictures out there.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:52 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unit 731 is actual nightmare fuel.


I've known of more than a few cases where Vets came back wishing we had done more than just drop two bombs on them. When you begin to research this shit, you start to realize why the Chinese feel the way they do.

Japanese militarism has always been psychopathic and hate driven
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:52 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
didnt the germans pump oxygen into a commandos bloodstream once or twice?

They killed St. Maximillian Kolbe by injecting him with carbolic acid. Imagine the fact that he was probably not the only one killed in this fashion.


Poor bastard.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:52 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Fun fact: The Japanese used chemical and biological weapons during the war to slaughter Chinese civilians; the Germans never did in the same context.

Fun fact: The German experimentation on Camp inmates, but in general respected at least Western PoWs; we have verified examples of the Japanese, among various horrors, killing Americans via replacing their blood with salt water for one particularly horrid example. Disembowling and deformity surgeries, always fatal, were also performed.

I mean Joseph Mengele also did some freaky experiments, which were well-known by the Nazis.


Without a doubt, but it's not meant to be whataboutism. I'll give Hitler credit where credit is due, as for example the man was serious about not using Chemical weapons at all even at the end when the Reich was collapsing; the Japanese were using those from 1942 onward against Chinese civilians.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Luminesa wrote:It literally states that the Japanese went after specific races. Indonesians, Dutch, Australians, anyone who was not Japanese. They literally instilled into their armies that they were racially superior to the people around them. What did the Nazis do?


I just read it, and it states nothing about the Japanese going after specific ethnicities.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Google "Three Alls Policy"


I know about the Three Alls Policy, but I've never seen anything on it that claims it was a genocidal policy. Again, that's why I keep asking for some fucking sources here.

But you know what genocide is. So you can make the deduction without someone spelling it out to you.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:52 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I mean Joseph Mengele also did some freaky experiments, which were well-known by the Nazis.


Mengele was actually tame compared to 731. They did some truly horrific shit, iirc there's even a few very graphic pictures out there.

This video pretty much sums it up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnAC-Y9p_sY
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Postby Fahran » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:53 pm

Torrocca wrote:It says nothing about genocide, but it does bring up that democide was committed on a mass-scale which, yeah, those atrocities definitely were.

The ideology of supremacy, the systematic employment of war rape in Korea, China, Vietnam, and the Philippines, the widespread employment of mass extrajudicial executions, etc. are consistent with many of the terms we set for genocide as a point of international law. The crimes were more than enough to warrant a more robust punishment on members of the government and military - and, honestly, the German government and military should have been punished more severely as well. They only got lenient treatment because we didn't want the Soviets to be able to steam-roll them.

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:53 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Luminesa wrote:They killed St. Maximillian Kolbe by injecting him with carbolic acid. Imagine the fact that he was probably not the only one killed in this fashion.


Poor bastard.

That was also after putting him into a starvation chamber for roughly two weeks, also. Again, probably not the only one.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:53 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I just read it, and it states nothing about the Japanese going after specific ethnicities.



I know about the Three Alls Policy, but I've never seen anything on it that claims it was a genocidal policy. Again, that's why I keep asking for some fucking sources here.



what do you think the "kill all" part of the policy entailed? poking a motherfucker with a stick?

It was just incidentally targeting Chinese.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:54 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I mean Joseph Mengele also did some freaky experiments, which were well-known by the Nazis.


Without a doubt, but it's not meant to be whataboutism. I'll give Hitler credit where credit is due, as for example the man was serious about not using Chemical weapons at all even at the end when the Reich was collapsing; the Japanese were using those from 1942 onward against Chinese civilians.

They were trying hard to develop nuclear weapons, though. I believe that was the reason Einstein left Germany, they wanted his expertise and he refused. Well...that and he was Jewish.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:You could also, imo, make an argument that Japan was worse because while Germany did industrialize genocide they at least had an end goal with it. The atrocities committed by Imperial Japan were just.. wanton.

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Postby Fahran » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:54 pm

Luminesa wrote:They killed St. Maximillian Kolbe by injecting him with carbolic acid. Imagine the fact that he was probably not the only one killed in this fashion.

I really try not to hate people, but, when I read about such cruelty or reflect on the cruelties of which I've read, I often find that difficult.

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