Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Salus Maior]

Yes, and everyone knows about both of those.

That's why I'm posting something else that just goes to show how evil and, frankly, savage they were.

There's not a lot of Natsocs on NSG. And by that I mean people who are into the actual ideology.

Sure, but there are plenty of people who follow totalitarian beliefs.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

There's not a lot of Natsocs on NSG. And by that I mean people who are into the actual ideology.

Sure, but there are plenty of people who follow totalitarian beliefs.

If I may, and feel free to be honest, would you consider me to fall under that category? I admit that I have been described as such in the past, but I've tried to work to change in that regard.

[Salus Maior]

Sure, but there are plenty of people who follow totalitarian beliefs.

If I may, and feel free to be honest, would you consider me to fall under that category? I admit that I have been described as such in the past, but I've tried to work to change in that regard.

I don't know? I don't think so.

[Jolthig]

There are more productive uses of resources.

Such as?

[Jolthig]

Wait, you didn’t know?

Ah, well, that explains it.

Here's hoping you grow out of it.

In the meantime, I literally grew out of my teenage years last January.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The irony is that I was raised Catholic, and opposing theocracy and corruption hardly counts as bigotry.

Oh good, you were "raised Catholic". That doesn't really mean much when more than half of Catholics in this country get barely any education on Catholic doctrine or practice at all.

And a Catholic Party is not Theocracy (a good number of them have existed in Europe and still do), and I was calling you a bigot because you apparently believe that a Catholic Party would be interested in covering up clergy scandals. It's such a fucking stereotype.

No Catholic wants what happened with the clergy scandals to have happened, nobody thinks that covering up the scandals was right, and we want justice for the victims as much as anyone does. We're well aware of what a bloody disgrace it is.

My family are for the most part are deeply involved with the practices that are Catholicism. I'm also not accusing individual Average Joe Catholics themselves of attempting to protect pedophiles, I'm accusing your church as an organization of doing so. Considering the fact that a Catholic party would be very close to the clergy and quite possibly taking orders from them, it is not far fetched for them to assist in obfuscating criminal investigations. Law enforcement and the government should not have to deal with a conflict of interest when investigating a religious organization, and that is why church and state must remain separate.

I'm not saying all of your religious leaders are bad, but you have enough to cause a problem.

Proof that elements inside the Church hierarchy protected pedos.

[Nakena]

Sure, but there are plenty of people who follow totalitarian beliefs.

If I may, and feel free to be honest, would you consider me to fall under that category? I admit that I have been described as such in the past, but I've tried to work to change in that regard.

No. Not as far as I know you.

Theres a also a difference between ideas that may be totalitarian if taken on face value, but are in fact the result of fleeting pipedreams and those that come out from deeply rooted ideological beliefs and essence.

[Kowani]

There are more productive uses of resources.

Such as?

Creation of a system that address the physical needs of all the citizens.

[Salus Maior]

Oh good, you were "raised Catholic". That doesn't really mean much when more than half of Catholics in this country get barely any education on Catholic doctrine or practice at all.

And a Catholic Party is not Theocracy (a good number of them have existed in Europe and still do), and I was calling you a bigot because you apparently believe that a Catholic Party would be interested in covering up clergy scandals. It's such a fucking stereotype.

No Catholic wants what happened with the clergy scandals to have happened, nobody thinks that covering up the scandals was right, and we want justice for the victims as much as anyone does. We're well aware of what a bloody disgrace it is.

My family are for the most part are deeply involved with the practices that are Catholicism. I'm also not accusing individual Average Joe Catholics themselves of attempting to protect pedophiles, I'm accusing your church as an organization of doing so. Considering the fact that a Catholic party would be very close to the clergy and quite possibly taking orders from them, it is not far fetched for them to assist in obfuscating criminal investigations. Law enforcement and the government should not have to deal with a conflict of interest when investigating a religious organization, and that is why church and state must remain separate.

I'm not saying all of your religious leaders are bad, but you have enough to cause a problem.

Proof that elements inside the Church hierarchy protected pedos.

Like I said, I'm well aware of what happened in the Church. Funnily enough us Catholics have to keep explaining how bad it was over and over, and it keeps being thrown at us again and again.

I am fairly certain that Catholic parties that exist in Europe don't take orders from the Vatican. Nor would they have to in necessity, and nor would they have any reason to be any closer to the clergy than any other laity.

Catholic parties exist to represent Catholics and Catholic principles and are made up of laypeople in politics, same as any other Christian party. And I don't appreciate the insinuation that any Catholic organization or Catholics in any kind of power would help cover up criminality by principle of being Catholics.

[Rodekiya]

Is there any way I can save this thread somewhere to not lose track of it? That would be helpful.

Very bottom > bookmark topic

It's also likely to show up highly on "View your posts"

Cheers, thanks for that.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yes, and everyone knows about both of those.

That's why I'm posting something else that just goes to show how evil and, frankly, savage they were.

I feel obligated to point out that I don’t support the Nazis.

I think you doth protest too much.

[Salus Maior]

Yes, and everyone knows about both of those.

That's why I'm posting something else that just goes to show how evil and, frankly, savage they were.

I feel obligated to point out that I don’t support the Nazis.

No, you just prefer your own brand of totalitarian misery.

[Kowani]

I feel obligated to point out that I don’t support the Nazis.

I think you doth protest too much.

If anything, I doth protest too little.

I feel obligated to point out that I don’t support the Nazis.

No, you just prefer your own brand of totalitarian misery.

True.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

My family are for the most part are deeply involved with the practices that are Catholicism. I'm also not accusing individual Average Joe Catholics themselves of attempting to protect pedophiles, I'm accusing your church as an organization of doing so. Considering the fact that a Catholic party would be very close to the clergy and quite possibly taking orders from them, it is not far fetched for them to assist in obfuscating criminal investigations. Law enforcement and the government should not have to deal with a conflict of interest when investigating a religious organization, and that is why church and state must remain separate.

I'm not saying all of your religious leaders are bad, but you have enough to cause a problem.

Proof that elements inside the Church hierarchy protected pedos.

You provide no evidence whatsoever that future or current Catholic parties and politicians have been obfusticating investigations on child abuse and covering them up, and then proceeded to slander them all as possible or future pedophile enablers. Do you have no shame? One can support the separation of state or church, or even oppose Catholic political parties without insinuating they're going to cover up pedophilia.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

My family are for the most part are deeply involved with the practices that are Catholicism. I'm also not accusing individual Average Joe Catholics themselves of attempting to protect pedophiles, I'm accusing your church as an organization of doing so. Considering the fact that a Catholic party would be very close to the clergy and quite possibly taking orders from them, it is not far fetched for them to assist in obfuscating criminal investigations. Law enforcement and the government should not have to deal with a conflict of interest when investigating a religious organization, and that is why church and state must remain separate.

I'm not saying all of your religious leaders are bad, but you have enough to cause a problem.

Proof that elements inside the Church hierarchy protected pedos.

Like I said, I'm well aware of what happened in the Church. Funnily enough us Catholics have to keep explaining how bad it was over and over, and it keeps being thrown at us again and again.

I am fairly certain that Catholic parties that exist in Europe don't take orders from the Vatican. Nor would they have to in necessity, and nor would they have any reason to be any closer to the clergy than any other laity.

Catholic parties exist to represent Catholics and Catholic principles and are made up of laypeople in politics, same as any other Christian party. And I don't appreciate the insinuation that any Catholic organization or Catholics in any kind of power would help cover up criminality by principle of being Catholics.

Emphasis mine. Don't feel too offended by it. I'm suspicious of any religious based political party that tries to influence lawmaking.

[Salus Maior]

Emphasis mine. Don't feel too offended by it. I'm suspicious of any religious based political party that tries to influence lawmaking.

So you're not denying stereotyping Catholics as either being pedophiles or covering up for them?

[Jolthig]

Such as?

Creation of a system that address the physical needs of all the citizens.

How will that be so?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Emphasis mine. Don't feel too offended by it. I'm suspicious of any religious based political party that tries to influence lawmaking.

So you're not denying stereotyping Catholics as either being pedophiles or covering up for them?

I'm not stereotyping anyone, so I do in fact deny that.

[Salus Maior]

So you're not denying stereotyping Catholics as either being pedophiles or covering up for them?

I'm not stereotyping anyone, so I do in fact deny that.

Believing that Catholics in power are likely to help cover up criminality is based on a stereotype. There's no reason to believe that, nor do I think you could find any examples of lay Catholics helping corrupt clergy cover up criminality, especially when clergy corruption is almost always at the expense of the laity.

Would you believe that a devout Catholic in a nonreligious party would be willing to coverup clergy criminality? It's not really any different from being in a religious party.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Would you believe that a devout Catholic in a nonreligious party would be willing to coverup clergy criminality?

No, I would not, unless in the rare case he or she is friends with one of the abusers.

It's not really any different from being in a religious party.

Depends on the party actually. If the party establishment and organizations are deeply connected with the local clergy, things can get messy. That is what I'm worried about, NOT lay Catholics.

[Nova Cyberia]

Okay, cool for China-style. As for other ways of being enacted, if you believe in state atheism, how should this policy be enacted?

Schooling, propaganda, fines and curtailing of freedom of speech.

Would it kill you to actually advocate for things that aren't blatantly malicious?

Jesus H Christ.

[Nova Cyberia]

Accidental double post.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Accidental double post.

Now you cannot delete it.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Okay, cool for China-style. As for other ways of being enacted, if you believe in state atheism, how should this policy be enacted?

Schooling, propaganda, fines and curtailing of freedom of speech.

You sound like a tankie.

[Kowani]

Creation of a system that address the physical needs of all the citizens.

How will that be so?

Technology, automation, and proper fuckin’ agriculture.

Schooling, propaganda, fines and curtailing of freedom of speech.

Would it kill you to actually advocate for things that aren't blatantly malicious?

Jesus H Christ.

I could try, but I doubt I would like the outcome.

Schooling, propaganda, fines and curtailing of freedom of speech.

You sound like a tankie.

I knew I forgot something!