Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Nea Byzantia]

They used to be the most Conservative (and Catholic) Province in Canada - before the 1960s, that is.

I'm sure the scandals the Catholic Church got caught up in did not help things.

No, actually. What happened is the Strongman Premier (the Canadian equivalent of a Governor), Maurice Duplessis, who kept Quebec conservative and Catholic, died in 1959, which destabilized the Provincial Government; and the Province was seized by a group of secularist liberals who turned the Province into a Socialist and secular nightmare. In Quebec, we call it "La Revolution Tranquile" (The Quiet Revolution). Quebec up until that time was a very powerful bastion of Catholicism in North America.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm sure the scandals the Catholic Church got caught up in did not help things.

No, actually. What happened is the Strongman Premier (the Canadian equivalent of a Governor), Maurice Duplessis, who kept Quebec conservative and Catholic, died in 1959, which destabilized the Provincial Government; and the Province was seized by a group of secularist liberals who turned the Province into a Socialist and secular nightmare. In Quebec, we call it "La Revolution Tranquile" (The Quiet Revolution). Quebec up until that time was a very powerful bastion of Catholicism in North America.

I'm not disputing the name, but it seems less like a revolution, and more like an election that the theocrats lost. I'm not supportive of social democratic economic policies, but the secularization of government is a good thing.

Also, the Quebec Liberal Party does not even seem close to being communist. It's a social democratic party at most, and it is considered center-right in Canadian politics.

[Bienenhalde]

No, actually. What happened is the Strongman Premier (the Canadian equivalent of a Governor), Maurice Duplessis, who kept Quebec conservative and Catholic, died in 1959, which destabilized the Provincial Government; and the Province was seized by a group of secularist liberals who turned the Province into a Socialist and secular nightmare. In Quebec, we call it "La Revolution Tranquile" (The Quiet Revolution). Quebec up until that time was a very powerful bastion of Catholicism in North America.

I'm not disputing the name, but it seems less like a revolution, and more like an election that the theocrats lost. I'm not supportive of social democratic economic policies, but the secularization of government is a good thing.

Also, the Quebec Liberal Party does not even seem close to being communist. It's a social democratic party at most, and it is considered center-right in Canadian politics.

It might not have been a "revolution" in the most literal sense, but their was a dramatic shift in the province's political landscape. Nowadays, Quebec only has secular left-wing parties and secular classical liberal parties in its legislature and no Catholic or socially conservative party.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm not disputing the name, but it seems less like a revolution, and more like an election that the theocrats lost. I'm not supportive of social democratic economic policies, but the secularization of government is a good thing.

Also, the Quebec Liberal Party does not even seem close to being communist. It's a social democratic party at most, and it is considered center-right in Canadian politics.

It might not have been a "revolution" in the most literal sense, but their was a dramatic shift in the province's political landscape. Nowadays, Quebec only has secular left-wing parties and secular classical liberal parties in its legislature and no Catholic or socially conservative party.

Considering the fact that those Catholic parties might protect the pedophiles hiding within the church, that is a good thing.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

And why is it inherently immoral?

Because banning personal beliefs is immoral.

Don’t hate me, alright?

I'll try not to.

[Totally Not OEP]

The Revolutionary War saved America from having bad teeth and saying queer words like “blimey” and “bloke.”

Had the Proto-United States remained in the British Empire, it's quite incredible to speculate what would've happened. For example, in the decades leading up to the Revolution the Monarchy had been rather firm in retaining the Slave trade despite the movement even among the Southern colonies to retain it; had it been extended throughout the entirety of George III and George IV's reigns, slavery would've definitely become entrenched in the Midwest and even among the Northeast, such as in New York and New Jersey.

[Kowani]

And why is it inherently immoral?

Because banning personal beliefs is immoral.

Because?

Don’t hate me, alright?

I'll try not to.

I suppose that’s all I can hope for.

[Salus Maior]

Considering the fact that those Catholic parties might protect the pedophiles hiding within the church, that is a good thing.

I see anti-Catholic bigotry is still alive and well in America.

[Salus Maior]

Because?

Because there is a concept called "basic respect for your fellow man".

I find it ironic that I, the trad-Catholic, has to tell you this.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Because?

Because there is a concept called "basic respect for your fellow man".

I find it ironic that I, the trad-Catholic, has to tell you this.

Don’t bother, Salus; Kowani seemingly denies even that most basic of ethical concepts, for to Kowani only the self has intrinsic value. Trying to convince Kowani is an exercise is futility, since you lack a shared metaphysics from which an ethical framework would flow.

[Kowani]

Because there is a concept called "basic respect for your fellow man".

I find it ironic that I, the trad-Catholic, has to tell you this.

Don’t bother, Salus; Kowani seemingly denies even that most basic of ethical concepts, for to Kowani only the self has intrinsic value. Trying to convince Kowani is an exercise is futility, since you lack a shared metaphysics from which an ethical framework would flow.

Thank you for saving us all time.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Because?

Because banning someone's personal beliefs forces them to hide or change them inorganically. And it effectively criminalizes their most basic sense of self.

[Salus Maior]

Don’t bother, Salus; Kowani seemingly denies even that most basic of ethical concepts, for to Kowani only the self has intrinsic value. Trying to convince Kowani is an exercise is futility, since you lack a shared metaphysics from which an ethical framework would flow.

Thank you for saving us all time.

Well, if you want to add credence to the Evangelical claim that Atheists can't form a morality, well done.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Thank you for saving us all time.

Well, if you want to add credence to the Evangelical claim that Atheists can't form a morality, well done.

See, Kowani? You're making me look bad!

[Jolthig]

Well, I was probably the one who was able to even have a conversation with Kowani on this topic given that I can be flexible in debates and rhetoric.

[Jolthig]

The inherent immorality in forcing people to stop believing in god.

And why is it inherently immoral?

Well, appealing to your philosophy again, it isn't moral or immoral, but change. Personally, I don't believe that personal beliefs regardless if it's state atheism or theocracy should be forcefully given up as everyone has the ability to decide for themselves even if not outwardly. This is human nature.

[Kowani]

Because?

Because banning someone's personal beliefs forces them to hide or change them inorganically. And it effectively criminalizes their most basic sense of self.

Okay. And?

Thank you for saving us all time.

Well, if you want to add credence to the Evangelical claim that Atheists can't form a morality, well done.

I am a moral nihilist...

Well, if you want to add credence to the Evangelical claim that Atheists can't form a morality, well done.

See, Kowani? You're making me look bad!

This was an unintended consequence.

Well, I was probably the one who was able to even have a conversation with Kowani on this topic given that I can be flexible in debates and rhetoric.

Hey, don’t be mean. They’re trying.

[Jolthig]

Because banning someone's personal beliefs forces them to hide or change them inorganically. And it effectively criminalizes their most basic sense of self.

Okay. And?

What do you think of state atheism?

Well, I was probably the one who was able to even have a conversation with Kowani on this topic given that I can be flexible in debates and rhetoric.

Hey, don’t be mean. They’re trying.

Yes, but I can easily appeal to your rhetoric and use your rhetoric and explain my perspective.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Okay. And?

And that's bad because people should live in a manner that is true to themselves and free insofar as they don't hurt anyone.

[Kowani]

Okay. And?

What do you think of state atheism?

Depends on how it’s enacted. China style? Nope.

Hey, don’t be mean. They’re trying.

Yes, but I can easily appeal to your rhetoric and use your rhetoric and explain my perspective.

Okay, that’s true.

[Kowani]

Okay. And?

And that's bad because people should live in a manner that is true to themselves and free insofar as they don't hurt anyone.

Because?

[Salus Maior]

I am a moral nihilist...

Which believes that there is no morality, and the belief of right and wrong is subjective and based on the self (which is to say, no morality).

And apparently your self is frankly totalitarian and hates the fact that there are people that believe differently from you.

[Jolthig]

What do you think of state atheism?

Depends on how it’s enacted. China style? Nope.

Okay, cool for China-style. As for other ways of being enacted, if you believe in state atheism, how should this policy be enacted?

[Farnhamia]

So why do you guys hate the French?

Because they're lazy, smelly, and pretentious.

*** Warned for trolling ***

[Kowani]

I am a moral nihilist...

Which believes that there is no morality, and the belief of right and wrong is subjective and based on the self (which is to say, no morality).

And apparently your self is frankly totalitarian and hates the fact that there are people that believe differently from you.

Well, no. Only certain ideologies are intolerable.