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Has Shinzo Abe's leadership been good for Japan?

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:47 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:I’ve been invited to some such parties in London. Not quite WWS level but still a lot of carnage.

I personally find such financial matters pretty sinful and indeed usury was banned for a long time.


Worst I've seen is your usually drunken tomfoolery (getting kicked out of bars, lots of cocaine, hedonistic sex), but the difference is that everything is more expensive and there are grown adults doing it.


Sounds completely degenerate to me.

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Postby Diopolis » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:48 am

Neko-koku wrote:
Diopolis wrote:You know, I’ve often wondered how hbd theorists reconcile their ‘executing violent criminals and dissolving family ties breeds a law abiding and nonviolent tendency into the populace’ thesis with the observed behavior American negros, taken as a whole.


They are compatible. Sub-Saharan Africans are among the least pacified peoples on this planet. The genetic impact of either Islam or the West on them is almost trivial.

The genetic impact of two centuries of violently uprooting extended families and executing anyone who even thinks about a violent crime is not negligible.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:56 am

Diopolis wrote:
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They are compatible. Sub-Saharan Africans are among the least pacified peoples on this planet. The genetic impact of either Islam or the West on them is almost trivial.

The genetic impact of two centuries of violently uprooting extended families and executing anyone who even thinks about a violent crime is not negligible.


KKK and white militias in the South do not have a significant evolutionary impact on Africans simply because the amount of Africans killed by them is minor compared to the total amount of Africans in America.

I also need to mention that Sub-Saharan Africans are at least 60,000 years away from the rest of humanity genetically. You can't undo tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution within several hundred years.

If the difference between Germans and Japanese in terms of economic production and work ethics is comparable to the distance between Manhattan and Newark then the difference between both and Sub-Saharan Africans is comparable to the distance between Manhattan and San Francisco. Moving from San Francisco to Berkeley doesn't really reduce the distance much..
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:59 am

Wow. A lot of genetic determinism going on in this thread.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:12 am

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Yes.

A decently long lasting one too.

It's not impressive to me.

During late Antiquity, Aksum was considered one of the world's great powers alongside Rome and the Sassanians, so I don't know why you wouldn't think it impressive. At one point they conquered parts of Yemen. It sounds to me like you just can't accept that any black civilization had merits.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:19 am

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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:21 am

Peak Civilisation are the Aztecs, building pyramids to sacrifice people (who thought it an honour to be sacrificed) which had special canals for blood to run down.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:22 am

Greater Loegria wrote:Peak Civilisation are the Aztecs, building pyramids to sacrifice people (who thought it an honour to be sacrificed) which had special canals for blood to run down.

The Aztecs were probably worshipping demons, and weren't as impressive when you realize that the valley of Mexico was a paradise on Earth that didn't actually require that much organization for civilization to flourish.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:29 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Peak Civilisation are the Aztecs, building pyramids to sacrifice people (who thought it an honour to be sacrificed) which had special canals for blood to run down.

The Aztecs were probably worshipping demons, and weren't as impressive when you realize that the valley of Mexico was a paradise on Earth that didn't actually require that much organization for civilization to flourish.


Uh..

To give Aztecs some credit I think the valley of Mexico really sucked in terms of crops and animals before Spaniards brought Old World crops & livestock there. I don't blame them for cannibalism.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:32 am

Neko-koku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Aztecs were probably worshipping demons, and weren't as impressive when you realize that the valley of Mexico was a paradise on Earth that didn't actually require that much organization for civilization to flourish.


Uh..

To give Aztecs some credit I think the valley of Mexico really sucked in terms of crops and animals before Spaniards brought Old World crops & livestock there. I don't blame them for cannibalism.

No, the Valley supported multiple cities with hundreds of thousands of inhabitants without much trouble, it was extremely fertile ground.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:35 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
Uh..

To give Aztecs some credit I think the valley of Mexico really sucked in terms of crops and animals before Spaniards brought Old World crops & livestock there. I don't blame them for cannibalism.

No, the Valley supported multiple cities with hundreds of thousands of inhabitants without much trouble, it was extremely fertile ground.

Yes, but with what crops? Corn is not that nutritious, its domestication was hard and Native Americans at least found a way to make it less bad (nixtamalization). There were not many domesticable animals larger than dogs and turkeys either. No cows, no horses, no pigs. Life in the Valley of Mexico WAS HARSH. That's why regular cannibalism happened. The people really lacked protein.

If life was a game then getting sprawned there is basically Impossible Mode.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:37 am

Neko-koku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No, the Valley supported multiple cities with hundreds of thousands of inhabitants without much trouble, it was extremely fertile ground.

Yes, but with what crops? Corn is not that nutritious, its domestication was hard and Native Americans at least found a way to make it less bad (nixtamalization). There were not many domesticable animals larger than dogs and turkeys either. No cows, no horses, no pigs. Life in the Valley of Mexico WAS HARSH. That's why regular cannibalism happened. The people really lacked protein.

Archaeology and historical records disagree my dude.
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:39 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Yes, but with what crops? Corn is not that nutritious, its domestication was hard and Native Americans at least found a way to make it less bad (nixtamalization). There were not many domesticable animals larger than dogs and turkeys either. No cows, no horses, no pigs. Life in the Valley of Mexico WAS HARSH. That's why regular cannibalism happened. The people really lacked protein.

Archaeology and historical records disagree my dude.

Oh? I got this idea mostly from a book..and I need to find its title.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:41 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:
Only in modern times. Nords were eating dog and living in mud-huts while Titus was building the Colosseum.

Let's be honest, we're all playing catch up to ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, except perhaps the people of the Indus Valley civilisation and the earliest Chinese dynasties.


You will never be this civilized.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:41 am

Neko-koku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Archaeology and historical records disagree my dude.

Oh? I got this idea mostly from a book..and I need to find its title.

I'm getting mine from this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AK78QCW/re ... TF8&btkr=1
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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:41 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:It's not impressive to me.

During late Antiquity, Aksum was considered one of the world's great powers alongside Rome and the Sassanians, so I don't know why you wouldn't think it impressive. At one point they conquered parts of Yemen. It sounds to me like you just can't accept that any black civilization had merits.


Conquering does not make some state a civilization. Do you consider the Mongol Empire to be a civilization? Turco-Mongol cultures are. However the earliest conquering and murderous Mongols were anything but a civilization.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:43 am

Neko-koku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:During late Antiquity, Aksum was considered one of the world's great powers alongside Rome and the Sassanians, so I don't know why you wouldn't think it impressive. At one point they conquered parts of Yemen. It sounds to me like you just can't accept that any black civilization had merits.


Conquering does not make some state a civilization. Do you consider the Mongol Empire to be a civilization? Turco-Mongol cultures are. However the earliest conquering and murderous Mongols were anything but a civilization.

Aksum had agriculture, writing, urbanization, division of labor, and a state. How is it not a civilization?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:45 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm pretty sure Playboi Carti speaks in the tongue of the angels.



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Postby Nea Byzantia » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:50 am

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:I'm pretty sure Playboi Carti speaks in the tongue of the angels.



Case in point.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:51 am

Neko-koku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:During late Antiquity, Aksum was considered one of the world's great powers alongside Rome and the Sassanians, so I don't know why you wouldn't think it impressive. At one point they conquered parts of Yemen. It sounds to me like you just can't accept that any black civilization had merits.


Conquering does not make some state a civilization. Do you consider the Mongol Empire to be a civilization?


Absolutely.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:52 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:

Case in point.

Where did you come from?


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Postby Neko-koku » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:52 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
Conquering does not make some state a civilization. Do you consider the Mongol Empire to be a civilization? Turco-Mongol cultures are. However the earliest conquering and murderous Mongols were anything but a civilization.

Aksum had agriculture, writing, urbanization, division of labor, and a state. How is it not a civilization?

OK. I reluctantly have to agree that it is. However it is not an awesome one.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:53 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:
Conquering does not make some state a civilization. Do you consider the Mongol Empire to be a civilization?


Absolutely.

This too. Who on Earth wouldn't consider the Mongol Empire to be a civilization? Especially once they settled down and held onto their territories.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:53 am

Neko-koku wrote:Conquering does not make some state a civilization. Do you consider the Mongol Empire to be a civilization?


They were one of the most influential powers in Asian history, of course they were.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:54 am

Neko-koku wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Aksum had agriculture, writing, urbanization, division of labor, and a state. How is it not a civilization?

OK. I reluctantly have to agree that it is. However it is not an awesome one.

Few civilizations are "awesome", but Aksum was a wealthy and prosperous civilization that was considered in its day one of the great nations of the world.
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