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Nakena wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Well I do not think he will knock down the whole thing.
I strongly disagree with his environmental approach but really it changes little.

His predecessors were destroying it while pretending not to.

And to no end pandered and pampered by mainstream media.

Exactly. At least with him the pandering stopped. We see a clearer picture.
Our media was fawning over da Silva and Dilma, they could do no wrong so it was impossible for people to realize there was such a problem.

Surkiea wrote:

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:When one's education is done by a fundamentalist pastor, such ignorance is to be expected.


Those are medieval values, not western values.

Those "medieval" vaules are what made our nation great, look how great things were back then compared to now.

Define 'back then'.

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:love it

A: Vietnam was justifiable
B: No it wasnt, because it was unwinnable!

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Vietnam was entirely winnable. We just did it wrong.

Here I come. Hope that this one will contain less quarrels....

But quarrels will always happen..

Novus America wrote:

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:love it

A: Vietnam was justifiable
B: No it wasnt, because it was unwinnable!

americans.jpg

Vietnam was entirely winnable. We just did it wrong.

Yeah. We hardly knew the terrain over there. Plus, the guerillas used that to their advantage.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Surkiea wrote:I guess it's ignorant for wanting to uphold western values.

Ah yes theocracies and discriminating against gays is totally aligned with western values. I assume you have no problem with Saudi Arabia then.

The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:love it

A: Vietnam was justifiable
B: No it wasnt, because it was unwinnable!

americans.jpg

Vietnam was a hopeless war.

The only way it could have been won would have been if the US would have supported the French in the early 1950s and staged a pincer operation against bolshevism in east asia by attacking from Vietnam and Korea against the fledging Red Chinese with assistance of the KMT remnants in Taiwan and Burma.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Ah yes theocracies and discriminating against gays is totally aligned with western values. I assume you have no problem with Saudi Arabia then.

The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

Hail Satan

Nakena wrote:His VP looks like a crossbreed of General Bison and Manuel Noriega on steroids.

lmao, he has his own "corrosive" opinion on different sorts of stuff but he seems to know how to behave pragmatically when needed

Painisia wrote:Here I come. Hope that this one will contain less quarrels....

But quarrels will always happen..

Especially in this election season + NSG summer.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Surkiea wrote:Iraq and Vietnam were perfectly justified actually.

Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, and Vietnam was unwinnable.

Vietnam was not unwinnable. Iraq was completely unnecessary and we totally botched it to boot though..

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Surkiea wrote:Those "medieval" vaules are what made our nation great, look how great things were back then compared to now.

Define 'back then'.

Pre 1960s. That decade was the start of the morale decay of America.

Great Minarchistan wrote:

Nakena wrote:His VP looks like a crossbreed of General Bison and Manuel Noriega on steroids.

lmao, he has his own "corrosive" opinion on different sorts of stuff but he seems to know how to behave pragmatically when needed

I would not be surprised if he someday emerges as the sucessor to Bolsanaro once the later has memed himself out.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Ah yes theocracies and discriminating against gays is totally aligned with western values. I assume you have no problem with Saudi Arabia then.

The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone" John 8:7

Also you ignored my question. Saudi Arabia good or bad?

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Ah yes theocracies and discriminating against gays is totally aligned with western values. I assume you have no problem with Saudi Arabia then.

The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

However, we have evolved from that. Remaining stagnant on ideals from hundreds of years ago, when society, technology, and progress was way different, is not good. In order to achieve progress, we must leave behind ideals from the past, and look for new ideologies that fit our society as it stands in the modern day.

Nakena wrote:

Great Minarchistan wrote:lmao, he has his own "corrosive" opinion on different sorts of stuff but he seems to know how to behave pragmatically when needed

I would not be surprised if he someday emerges as the sucessor to Bolsanaro once the later has memed himself out.

some lawyers are already tabling impeachment motions after his recent shit spouting episodes

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Surkiea wrote:The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone"

Also you ignored my question. Saudi Arabia good or bad?

I have mixed opinions on them, they're a trusted ally who helps protect us from Iranian backed terrorism and the way they uphold religious values is an inspiration.

I do wish they would modernise and welcome in American companies to invest more.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Ah yes theocracies and discriminating against gays is totally aligned with western values. I assume you have no problem with Saudi Arabia then.

The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

1. The west had a pre-christian past, so our existence is not dependent on Christianity.
2. The U.S. was founded on a secular government, not on Christianity. Our Constitution pretty much says this.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone"

Also you ignored my question. Saudi Arabia good or bad?

I have mixed opinions on them, they're a trusted ally who helps protect us from Iranian backed terrorism and the way they uphold religious values is an inspiration.

I do wish they would modernise and welcome in American companies to invest more.

Ah so dropping JDAMs on Yemeni schoolchildren is perfectly acceptable. Also acceptable is the fact that women have little to no control over their lives from birth because of their male guardianship system. Gotcha.

And Iranian-backed terrorism will never strike the United States. Actually all I've seen is American terrorism against Iran. Did you know America shot down an Iranian passenger jet and killed 290 people? Yeah.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Ah yes theocracies and discriminating against gays is totally aligned with western values. I assume you have no problem with Saudi Arabia then.

The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

The Treaty of Tripoli explicitly says you're wrong.

Jolthig wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Vietnam was entirely winnable. We just did it wrong.

Yeah. We hardly knew the terrain over there. Plus, the guerillas used that to their advantage.

The trick party with Vietnam was that we were fighting a guerrilla war AND a real war against a state actor. The problem is we sat on the defensive, gave the North Vietnamese the imitative.

We should have invade North Vietnam up to the Mu Gia Pass (the key to the whole Ho Chi Minh trail). We should have focused on fighting the North Vietnamese and left the ARVN to fight the Viet Cong, with us providing special operations, air and artillery support, but not our infantry.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone"

Also you ignored my question. Saudi Arabia good or bad?

I have mixed opinions on them, they're a trusted ally who helps protect us from Iranian backed terrorism and the way they uphold religious values is an inspiration.

I do wish they would modernise and welcome in American companies to invest more.

HAHA. they are not a trusted ally lol

They literally are responsible for the rise of terrorists. Not to mention, as brother Cesnica said, they bomb school children.

Irish Socialist Union wrote:

Surkiea wrote:The west was founded on the bible where it says degenerates should be put to death, so yes it does.

However, we have evolved from that. Remaining stagnant on ideals from hundreds of years ago, when society, technology, and progress was way different, is not good. In order to achieve progress, we must leave behind ideals from the past, and look for new ideologies that fit our society as it stands in the modern day.

No, social progress is what destroys nations from the inside as we lose everything our society was founded upon, we must return to the values of the past and reinforce god's law on the land.

Jolthig wrote:

Surkiea wrote:I have mixed opinions on them, they're a trusted ally who helps protect us from Iranian backed terrorism and the way they uphold religious values is an inspiration.

I do wish they would modernise and welcome in American companies to invest more.

HAHA. they are not a trusted ally lol

They literally are responsible for the rise of terrorists. Not to mention, as brother Cesnica said, they bomb school children.

You're thinking of Iran.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Define 'back then'.

Pre 1960s. That decade was the start of the morale decay of America.

We never put people to death for being gay in the 50s.
The 50s were not as ultra conservative as people think.

Surkiea wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone"

Also you ignored my question. Saudi Arabia good or bad?

I have mixed opinions on them, they're a trusted ally who helps protect us from Iranian backed terrorism and the way they uphold religious values is an inspiration.

I do wish they would modernise and welcome in American companies to invest more.

Most of their religious laws would violate the first amendment if they were implemented here. Others would violate the fourteenth amendment.