Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVII: The Snark Enlightenment

[Novus America]

Well one can not predict the future, and sure things can change.
Yes it will put one such power at our door, it already has.

Things will change.

That is the struggle for this century, the US vs the PRC.
We might lose, but we should try our best not to,
https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/US-and- ... ips-to-5th

The current estimations about India put them above the US in terms of GDP by 2050-2070. The reality is that economic power will be concentrated in South-East Asia, especially with the emergence of Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam too.

I also call into question the source who extrapolate that diminished population will hamper growth of the Chinese economy by 2060, however the Chinese will not be idle in promoting childbirth for further economic expansion. It seems shallow that they would not think to do such a thing

And you should hope so as well, a PRC victory is not to your advantage.

I don’t hope for China, if the EU continues to expand and then federalises, it will by one of the largest economies. We also have to remember the EU has far more potential for growth, especially seeing the least developed eastern states of the Union. It will put my country at a better position being part of one of the largest economies.

Until 2060 at least that will be the competition barring some revolutionary changes.
Beyond that who knows?

The competition involves all the countries I mentioned, GDP growth is tied to population, the US is not excelled in that department.

But until 2060 the US vs PRC is the name of the game. Even by then the other trees are small.

And India and more than likely the EU. India’s GDP growth is 6% with little sign of slowing down, while the EU will likely, by 2050, expand to include Turkey, The Balkan states, Ukraine, and maybe even Russia (in a far more distant future). It seems unlikely that the EU has reached peak power at the moment.

Of course we should continually reassess and make changes as necessary but we have pretty good data predictions up until that point.

China is already growing more rapidly than the US it certainly won’t be long before they outstrip the US in GDP - let alone 2060.

In terms of population the US is expected to remain number 3 until at least past mid century.
And population growth is rapidly slowing most places.

The US does not vastly outperform other countries in terms of population compared to GDP.

Actually demographically the US is doing better than most developed countries, though we should take actions to increase our birth rate, immigration and so on as well as seeing if we can incorporate some new states ideally. We can increase our population. Pretty much on demand via immigration.

Sure we absolutely may fall behind, and will not last forever. So we should seek to do what we can to ensure we remain competitive.

Of course, we wouldn’t want the US to lose its edge.

Well if we are alive we shall see.
But I think you grossly overestimate the EU (which you may not be part of) and grossly underestimate the middle income trap.

Most countries will not escape the trap. There is no reason to believe the PRC will.
And Indian economic growth is already slowly too.

[Fahran]

You can't leave the South, not when it lives in your heart.

Please don't actually take that seriously.

It’s lodged in your heart, clogging it up.

I should put that in a country song that I'm totally not writing in the hopes of becoming a brunette Taylor Swift. Speaking of, I should look into how her political remarks are going. Country artists get pretty interesting reactions when they go political.

[Kowani]

You can't leave the South, not when it lives in your heart.

Please don't actually take that seriously.

It’s lodged in your heart, clogging it up.

That’s just the cooking.

[Old Tyrannia]

To prevent it from ever posing a threat again. A united Germany is as for Britain. Militarily and economically.

So we should dismantle China and Russia?

Assist the descendants of the Ming dynasty in regaining their former throne and in return secure a promise from them to return to their historic policy of isolationism once they have been restored. About as achievable as partitioning China and much fairer to the Chinese.

[North German Realm]

To prevent it from ever posing a threat again. A united Germany is as for Britain. Militarily and economically.

So we should dismantle China and Russia?

Preferably. Especially on China (Russia's going towards that route itself, China requires a bit of pushing).

[Novus America]

So we should dismantle China and Russia?

Preferably. Especially on China (Russia's going towards that route itself, China requires a bit of pushing).

Yes, Russia is annoying but not a peer competitor and it has a grim future.

The PRC is the real threat. It seeks to overthrow a and replace the west, it has no interest in peaceful coexistence. But we should give it the Soviet treatment.

Containment and work to undermine it politically both within and without.

Also demography. That is our real advantage. The PRC has horrible demographics.
We should use that to our advantage.

[Totally Not OEP]

In other news, I'm moving into my dorm in about... two to three hours. It's a mildly jarring process, I must admit.

Also, I'd like to apologize for if my rhetoric yesterday was acrid/boorish/harsh/uncouth. I know I shouldn't apologize excessively, but I found this situation to necessitate one. In a way, I almost view it as my fault for starting the "Brit v. Yank" pissing match, given that I was the one who brought up the topic of monarchy.

So... yeah. That's all for now.

I'm moving into a house in about four hours; yah boi is living with three sorority girls this year lmao.

[Totally Not OEP]

She says, despite the Great Migration being an effort to get away from the south.

You can't leave the South, not when it lives in your heart.

Please don't actually take that seriously.

If Dixie had won, we'd a have it made, as Willie once said.

To prevent it from ever posing a threat again. A united Germany is as for Britain. Militarily and economically.

So we should dismantle China and Russia?

Yes.

[Bear Stearns]

You can't leave the South, not when it lives in your heart.

Please don't actually take that seriously.

If Dixie had won, we'd a have it made, as Willie once said.

If ya'll had won us Yankees might still find it safe to live in inner cities. Curse you Lincoln. I would have let the South go.

[Totally Not OEP]

If Dixie had won, we'd a have it made, as Willie once said.

If ya'll had won us Yankees might still find it safe to live in inner cities. Curse you Lincoln. I would have let the South go.

Ya'll probably would've nabbed West Canada as well, while we would've moved into Mexico. It'd have been interesting to have two powerful North American Republics going into the 20th Century.

[Bear Stearns]

If ya'll had won us Yankees might still find it safe to live in inner cities. Curse you Lincoln. I would have let the South go.

Ya'll probably would've nabbed West Canada as well, while we would've moved into Mexico. It'd have been interesting to have two powerful North American Republics going into the 20th Century.

The Anschluss of Anglo-Canada and Yankeedom is a dream of mine.

I'd like to think we'd be very cordial allies, with free trade, continent-spanning sports leagues, and common defense pacts. Even if we're separate countries we'd still have common interests in engaging with the rest of the world.

[Totally Not OEP]

Ya'll probably would've nabbed West Canada as well, while we would've moved into Mexico. It'd have been interesting to have two powerful North American Republics going into the 20th Century.

The Anschluss of Anglo-Canada and Yankeedom is a dream of mine.

I'd like to think we'd be very cordial allies, with free trade, continent-spanning sports leagues, and common defense pacts. Even if we're separate countries we'd still have common interests in engaging with the rest of the world.

The Confederate leadership early in the war made it clear they'd allow free access to the Mississippi, so in that sense yes; there was plans for tariffs on Yankee products, however. I'd imagine the United States would focus on the Pacific, eschewing European ties in favor of becoming a power naval and trading state, while the Confederates would become a "Prussia-lite" due to the Gentry functioning like the Junkers in Germany; they'd move into Mexico and Cuba, favoring limited expansion. I could see a joint project to develop the Panama Canal, as that would benefit both.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

If ya'll had won us Yankees might still find it safe to live in inner cities. Curse you Lincoln. I would have let the South go.

Ya'll probably would've nabbed West Canada as well, while we would've moved into Mexico. It'd have been interesting to have two powerful North American Republics going into the 20th Century.

Don't mind me, I'm just borrowing this idea for my alternate history worldbuilding project.

[Totally Not OEP]

In other news, I'm moving into my dorm in about... two to three hours. It's a mildly jarring process, I must admit.

Also, I'd like to apologize for if my rhetoric yesterday was acrid/boorish/harsh/uncouth. I know I shouldn't apologize excessively, but I found this situation to necessitate one. In a way, I almost view it as my fault for starting the "Brit v. Yank" pissing match, given that I was the one who brought up the topic of monarchy.

So... yeah. That's all for now.

I'm moving into a house in about four hours; yah boi is living with three sorority girls this year lmao.

They've made 100 Jell-o shots for tonight and apparently installed a stripper pole; please pray for me and forgive me if I get on here drunk at 4 AM in advance.

[Fahran]

They've made 100 Jell-o shots for tonight and apparently installed a stripper pole; please pray for me and forgive me if I get on here drunk at 4 AM in advance.

I pray for you pretty much everyday because I know you need it. lol

[Bear Stearns]

The Anschluss of Anglo-Canada and Yankeedom is a dream of mine.

I'd like to think we'd be very cordial allies, with free trade, continent-spanning sports leagues, and common defense pacts. Even if we're separate countries we'd still have common interests in engaging with the rest of the world.

The Confederate leadership early in the war made it clear they'd allow free access to the Mississippi, so in that sense yes; there was plans for tariffs on Yankee products, however. I'd imagine the United States would focus on the Pacific, eschewing European ties in favor of becoming a power naval and trading state, while the Confederates would become a "Prussia-lite" due to the Gentry functioning like the Junkers in Germany; they'd move into Mexico and Cuba, favoring limited expansion. I could see a joint project to develop the Panama Canal, as that would benefit both.

Also, a Northern US whose national parties aren't going to be divided by having a Southern branch is going to have a much more cohesive and populist political culture.

It will go nativist and becoming a Germanic Protestant volkstaat

[Totally Not OEP]

Ya'll probably would've nabbed West Canada as well, while we would've moved into Mexico. It'd have been interesting to have two powerful North American Republics going into the 20th Century.

Don't mind me, I'm just borrowing this idea for my alternate history worldbuilding project.

I'm listening....

[Totally Not OEP]

The Confederate leadership early in the war made it clear they'd allow free access to the Mississippi, so in that sense yes; there was plans for tariffs on Yankee products, however. I'd imagine the United States would focus on the Pacific, eschewing European ties in favor of becoming a power naval and trading state, while the Confederates would become a "Prussia-lite" due to the Gentry functioning like the Junkers in Germany; they'd move into Mexico and Cuba, favoring limited expansion. I could see a joint project to develop the Panama Canal, as that would benefit both.

Also, a Northern US whose national parties aren't going to be divided by having a Southern branch is going to have a much more cohesive and populist political culture.

It will go nativist and becoming a Germanic Protestant volkstaat

I'd imagine an SDP type character but with British characteristics.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm moving into a house in about four hours; yah boi is living with three sorority girls this year lmao.

They've made 100 Jell-o shots for tonight and apparently installed a stripper pole; please pray for me and forgive me if I get on here drunk at 4 AM in advance.

Legitimately degenerate.

[Bear Stearns]

Also, a Northern US whose national parties aren't going to be divided by having a Southern branch is going to have a much more cohesive and populist political culture.

It will go nativist and becoming a Germanic Protestant volkstaat

I'd imagine an SDP type character but with British characteristics.

*Yankee characteristics.

We eat hot dogs with baked beans, we are all Presbyterian, Lutheran, or Episcopalian, we are addicted to coffee, we play baseball, and work six days a week. We are so proud when our son becomes a doctor or lawyer.

Sounds like heaven to me.

The question is, what do we do about the borderland areas? You guys can have Kentucky, but we will need to have hard and honest talks about Maryland and Missouri.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Don't mind me, I'm just borrowing this idea for my alternate history worldbuilding project.

I'm listening....

It is the early 21st century, and North America stands on the brink of war. Two power blocs ("Dixie" and "Yankeedom" for lack of a better term) dominate continental affairs, locked in a bitter cold war that's turning hotter and hotter by the hour. As militaries begin preparations for what is to come, the story (or rather, stories) focuses on the residents of a small border town in the Appalachian mountains, and how their lives are changed by the ensuing War.

[Totally Not OEP]

I'm listening....

It is the early 21st century, and North America stands on the brink of war. Two power blocs ("Dixie" and "Yankeedom" for lack of a better term) dominate continental affairs, locked in a bitter cold war that's turning hotter and hotter by the hour. As militaries begin preparations for what is to come, the story (or rather, stories) focuses on the residents of a small border town in the Appalachian mountains, and how their lives are changed by the ensuing War.

Basically Dixie-1 from GURPs.

[Totally Not OEP]

I'd imagine an SDP type character but with British characteristics.

*Yankee characteristics.

We eat hot dogs with baked beans, we are all Presbyterian, Lutheran, or Episcopalian, we are addicted to coffee, we play baseball, and work six days a week. We are so proud when our son becomes a doctor or lawyer.

Sounds like heaven to me.

The question is, what do we do about the borderland areas? You guys can have Kentucky, but we will need to have hard and honest talks about Maryland and Missouri.

British in the sense of a strong navy, lots of trade and a Liberalism bent in outlook.

I'd imagine in everything but a Trent Affair gone hot, the Confederates would willingly or would be forced to concede their claims to Maryland and Missouri due to the military realities of the situation and likely mediation of the Anglo-French.

[Totally Not OEP]

They've made 100 Jell-o shots for tonight and apparently installed a stripper pole; please pray for me and forgive me if I get on here drunk at 4 AM in advance.

Legitimately degenerate.

Mood.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

It is the early 21st century, and North America stands on the brink of war. Two power blocs ("Dixie" and "Yankeedom" for lack of a better term) dominate continental affairs, locked in a bitter cold war that's turning hotter and hotter by the hour. As militaries begin preparations for what is to come, the story (or rather, stories) focuses on the residents of a small border town in the Appalachian mountains, and how their lives are changed by the ensuing War.

Basically Dixie-1 from GURPs.

Yep, pretty much. Tbh, I'm surprised that you're familiar with GURPS.