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Greater Loegria wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:How very Catholic of you to want to plunge people into "horrific war."

Better them than us. Had Germany ceased to exist WW2 when it came would have played out much different.

Britain has always benefited from division in Europe and its recent acceptance of a single bloc in Europe is a catastrophe for its foreign policy. Sure, folks will die. But not us, we’re an island and can choose whether or not we such to intervene.

How very Christian of you, I'm sure the Lord approves.

Greater Loegria wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:How very Catholic of you to want to plunge people into "horrific war."

Better them than us. Had Germany ceased to exist WW2 when it came would have played out much different.

Britain has always benefited from division in Europe and its recent acceptance of a single bloc in Europe is a catastrophe for its foreign policy. Sure, folks will die. But not us, we’re an island and can choose whether or not we such to intervene.

I think you're looking for a different religion.

Cappuccina wrote:

Benuty wrote:I mean a certain french political party might be able to (Action Francaise) had it ever gained power. They already drew up plans as early as 1915 to turn Germany into a war riddled hellhole and keep them so focused on fighting each other they wouldn't be a threat for some time.

I'm just curious about how these people magically would've made Germans fight eachother.

You don't get a name like French Action without wanting to screw someone else over. The theory was that the people would be so busy trying to reunite the various German states that quite a few million would die. Its not the worst plan those in the intellectual circle came up with regarding the Germans. The U.S had someone advocate the complete sterilization of every German, and the division of the now childless Germany into land for the Dutch, Polish, and others.

Greater Loegria wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:How very Catholic of you to want to plunge people into "horrific war."

Better them than us. Had Germany ceased to exist WW2 when it came would have played out much different.

Britain has always benefited from division in Europe and its recent acceptance of a single bloc in Europe is a catastrophe for its foreign policy. Sure, folks will die. But not us, we’re an island and can choose whether or not we such to intervene.

The unification of Europe into a single bloc is a good thing because it prevents wars between European powers and makes it easier for Europe to stand up to tyrannical foreign powers.

Cappuccina wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Better them than us. Had Germany ceased to exist WW2 when it came would have played out much different.

Britain has always benefited from division in Europe and its recent acceptance of a single bloc in Europe is a catastrophe for its foreign policy. Sure, folks will die. But not us, we’re an island and can choose whether or not we such to intervene.

How very Christian of you, I'm sure the Lord approves.

I’m sure he does, the Anglo-Celts being his chosen people.

Regardless. I am a nationalist: the survival and integrity of my own people is what concerns me most. Not some unwashed stinking Eastern European’s engaged in business as usual: killing each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

Regardless of this pretty much warranting slow genocide the ideas people had to screw over Germany really did go all out.

Bienenhalde wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Better them than us. Had Germany ceased to exist WW2 when it came would have played out much different.

Britain has always benefited from division in Europe and its recent acceptance of a single bloc in Europe is a catastrophe for its foreign policy. Sure, folks will die. But not us, we’re an island and can choose whether or not we such to intervene.

The unification of Europe into a single bloc is a good thing because it prevents wars between European powers and makes it easier for Europe to stand up to tyrannical foreign powers.

I don’t care about those wars. Brothers always fight. But Britain doesn’t need Europe, we have a family of Anglophone nations elsewhere.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:The idea that the Treaty of Versailles was "harsh" is one of the greatest con jobs in history. Germany was fully capable of paying the reparations and its territorial losses were minor, excluding the colonies. You want a harsh treaty? Brest-Litovsk.

Who would want to con us? Germany is one of history's biggest losers, at least right now.

Germany was theoretically capable of paying the reparations, but, as history proved, it quickly became impossible due to the political situation. Not to mention that the territories ceded contained Germany's richest farmland and several key sources of coal in both the West and East.

Greater Loegria wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:How very Christian of you, I'm sure the Lord approves.

I’m sure he does, the Anglo-Celts being his chosen people.

Regardless. I am a nationalist: the survival and integrity of my own people is what concerns me most. Not some unwashed stinking Eastern European’s engaged in business as usual: killing each other.

Mark 12:30-31
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[a] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] There is no commandment greater than these.”

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Greater Loegria wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:How very Christian of you, I'm sure the Lord approves.

I’m sure he does, the Anglo-Celts being his chosen people.

Regardless. I am a nationalist: the survival and integrity of my own people is what concerns me most. Not some unwashed stinking Eastern European’s engaged in business as usual: killing each other.

Yeah, the Anglo-Celts who don't even speak their own languages anymore.

You aren't a Christian, nationalism should come second to following the laws of the Lord. You should go be a pagan.

Greater Loegria wrote:

Novus America wrote:
I still think the focus on the US is excessive.
It was the world wars and your failure to adopt some form of imperial federation model that was your undoing. But that was not our fault.

My focus on the US is more to compensate for pile of steaming horseshit that is the idea America is somehow Britain is our friend. No other country has actively facilitated our ruin more. Be it undermining us in the Suez or funding the IRA. Or encouraging us to decolonise.
Fair play to you lot. You’ve won for now. I just think it’s a catastrophe.

I am not a patriotic American, but didn't you need the help of the US to stand up to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union?

Benuty wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

Regardless of this pretty much warranting slow genocide the ideas people had to screw over Germany really did go all out.

Slow? He wanted to sterilize fifty million Germans in one month.

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:The idea that the Treaty of Versailles was "harsh" is one of the greatest con jobs in history. Germany was fully capable of paying the reparations and its territorial losses were minor, excluding the colonies. You want a harsh treaty? Brest-Litovsk.

Who would want to con us? Germany is one of history's biggest losers, at least right now.

Germany was theoretically capable of paying the reparations, but, as history proved, it quickly became impossible due to the political situation. Not to mention that the territories ceded contained Germany's richest farmland and several key sources of coal in both the West and East.

Also, France had the Rhein (or was it the Saar) as a occupied region and got all the income from it.

Bienenhalde wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:My focus on the US is more to compensate for pile of steaming horseshit that is the idea America is somehow Britain is our friend. No other country has actively facilitated our ruin more. Be it undermining us in the Suez or funding the IRA. Or encouraging us to decolonise.
Fair play to you lot. You’ve won for now. I just think it’s a catastrophe.

I am not a patriotic American, but didn't you need the help of the US to stand up to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union?

Not if we hadn’t gotten into that mess in the first place.

Cappuccina wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:I’m sure he does, the Anglo-Celts being his chosen people.

Regardless. I am a nationalist: the survival and integrity of my own people is what concerns me most. Not some unwashed stinking Eastern European’s engaged in business as usual: killing each other.

Yeah, the Anglo-Celts who don't even speak their own languages anymore.

You aren't a Christian, nationalism should come second to following the laws of the Lord. You should go be a pagan.

Ummm

The English speak English... albeit much changed. I myself am a welsh speaker and descend from places where welsh is spoken widely. Scots Gaelic is also still spoken daily in parts of the Western Islands. What a foolish thing to say.

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:

Benuty wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

Regardless of this pretty much warranting slow genocide the ideas people had to screw over Germany really did go all out.

Slow? He wanted to sterilize fifty million Germans in one month.

And? They are still very much alive, and if not kept under control pretty much have no future to live for. This plan also requires that the Soviets will ensure the exile of any Germans from eastern Europe to gathered, registered, and sterilized. Something I don't think a victorious Soviet Union would want to do, and could potentially use as a reference to "demonstrate the savagery of capitalism". Nothing says terrorist material like people without a homeland.

Greater Loegria wrote:

Bienenhalde wrote:
I am not a patriotic American, but didn't you need the help of the US to stand up to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union?

Not if we hadn’t gotten into that mess in the first place.

Cappuccina wrote:
Yeah, the Anglo-Celts who don't even speak their own languages anymore.

You aren't a Christian, nationalism should come second to following the laws of the Lord. You should go be a pagan.

Ummm

The English speak English... albeit much changed. I myself am a welsh speaker and descend from places where welsh is spoken widely. Scots Gaelic is also still spoken daily in parts of the Western Islands. What a foolish thing to say.

Well at least you do that right. Welsh is a beautiful tongue.

Cappuccina wrote:Also, France had the Rhein (or was it the Saar) as a occupied region and got all the income from it.

Yes, the Saarland contained one of Germany's key coalfields which I was referring to, and was occupied by France during most of the interwar period. The Ruhr area, Germany's principal industrial region, was also occupied by France for a few years because Germany couldn't pay reparations.

Cappuccina wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Not if we hadn’t gotten into that mess in the first place.
Ummm

The English speak English... albeit much changed. I myself am a welsh speaker and descend from places where welsh is spoken widely. Scots Gaelic is also still spoken daily in parts of the Western Islands. What a foolish thing to say.

Well at least you do that right. Welsh is a beautiful tongue.

Yn wir, prydferth iawn.

Benuty wrote:And? They are still very much alive, and if not kept under control pretty much have no future to live for.

How is this not genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing? You can't call it eugenics.

This plan also requires that the Soviets will ensure the exile of any Germans from eastern Europe to gathered, registered, and sterilized. Something I don't think a victorious Soviet Union would want to do,

They literally did this (the banishment part). Ever wonder why all the regions Hitler demanded because they had Germans in them don't have Germans in them anymore?

Greater Loegria wrote:

Bienenhalde wrote:
I am not a patriotic American, but didn't you need the help of the US to stand up to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union?

Not if we hadn’t gotten into that mess in the first place.

If you think Hitler was just going to let Britain stand…

Greater Loegria wrote:Following WW1 Germany ought to have been broken up into its pre 1870 situation of petty kingdoms and dukedoms, and divisions between them encouraged.

Why is it that whenever we have these conversations people forget about the Holy Roman Empire and the German Confederation?

Kowani wrote:If you think Hitler was just going to let Britain stand…

Well, actually, that's a good point. Hitler quite hoped that Germany and Britain, seeing as they were "cousins", would fight on the same side against Communism, or at least that they wouldn't fight each other.

Kowani wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Not if we hadn’t gotten into that mess in the first place.

If you think Hitler was just going to let Britain stand…

Hitler was primarily interested in securing Lebensraum in Eastern Europe. I don’t think the Third Reich or Soviet Union would have done well out of that encounter.

Bienenhalde wrote:

Greater Loegria wrote:Following WW1 Germany ought to have been broken up into its pre 1870 situation of petty kingdoms and dukedoms, and divisions between them encouraged.

Why is it that whenever we have these conversations people forget about the Holy Roman Empire and the German Confederation?

Because those were much more fractured than the Kaiserreich. The HRE was more toothless than a fucking pensioner.

The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile wrote:

Benuty wrote:And? They are still very much alive, and if not kept under control pretty much have no future to live for.

How is this not genocide, or at least ethnic cleansing? You can't call it eugenics.

This plan also requires that the Soviets will ensure the exile of any Germans from eastern Europe to gathered, registered, and sterilized. Something I don't think a victorious Soviet Union would want to do,

They literally did this (the banishment part). Ever wonder why all the regions Hitler demanded because they had Germans in them don't have Germans in them anymore?

You seem to be under the impression the Soviets would magically do the banishments upon hearing that the Allies have deemed it okay to sterilize the new niggers(let’s be honest they will be treated like this) of Europe. Stalin was a paranoid dictator, but he wasn’t stupid.